Post Verdict -Working Out The Unresolved Questions

[mary-louise]

The lying torture murderess was found guilty of aggravated (especially cruel) first degree murder.

Since premeditation does not have a definite time requirement, the jury's cruelty finding settled the premeditation question, although many trial watchers and others still speculate on her motive -- notwithstanding the fact that evil people tend to do evil things, of course.

No, I completely understand that. I was just wondering if they ever proved she did it on the way down? I was a bit confused during that part of the trial cause she had so many different stories and dates. As always.. Lol

 

[janx]

I was disappointed to hear that a trial date was not scheduled today.

This whole trial and all of the side stuff has dragged on for so long. I can't imagine being a family member going through all of this.

I have to keep reminding myself that she has been convicted of M1 and the only thing ahead of her is a transfer to Perryville. She and her supporters can kid themselves all they like that she will succeed on appeal, but it ain't gonna happen. The evidence was just too strong...the only possible issue that I can see holding any sway with an appeal court would be juror misconduct. That has to be proven, not alleged, and so far nothing has come up.

RIP Travis.

Speaking of Perryville, apparently Donavan the arsonist has created a FB page called Support For Perryville Prison Inmates And Family.

Thinking ahead, I guess...

 

[LambChop]

I don't recall seeing a journal entry, however there was an email shown as evidence in court that was sent by CMJA around 5 pm on Valentine's Day with no mention of any Valentine's gifts. Martinez brought it to the jury's attention that she did not bring any of these supposed gifts up in her email.

IIRC this email is the one where she was trying to console him about his anger and talked about her own, including the kicking in of doors?

I guess she was unhappy that the chocolates melted.

 

[ElleElle]

Yeah she looks like she had a plan at that time. She took selfies that had a more seductive look.

I'm not sure how someone can "look" like they have a plan. Human minds are complex, and for Jodi, I believe she was a chameleon and changing her look to appear what Travis wanted her to be - sexual prowess with good girl Mormon looks.

The car rental guy even testified she had a blond hair at the time of the rental.

Which leads me to the next question. Where did she get the money for the hair, waxjob, and facial (her skin appears luminous). ? Daryl, Gus, other men?

 

[ElleElle]

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/425...-penalty-former-cell-mate/?sidebar=hotarticle

....Collins said that Arias underwent a prison-wide campaign to convince the other inmates of her innocence. “She’ll try to suffocate you with her version and her side,” Collins said, adding that it was a form of manipulation.
In addition, Arias seemed to have a strange fascination with Martinez.
“She asked me questions like ‘why doesn’t Juan Martinez love me?’ And I’m like, love you? He’s your prosecutor.. he’s there to prosecute you for a crime.. and I’m like why doesn’t he love you?”
Collins said tha tArias appeared to be “out of her freakin’ mind.”......



Oh boy!! The crazy lady is going strong! Poor Juan... remember that one day she got all flirty on the stand? :floorlaugh:

BBM~ This is either:

A. An act by Jodi to convince she has issues.
B. She really does have issues. :floorlaugh:

 

[Ricki]

Speaking of Perryville, apparently Donavan the arsonist has created a FB page called Support For Perryville Prison Inmates And Family.

Thinking ahead, I guess...

I can not find that page.

 

[Truth Detector]

No, I completely understand that. I was just wondering if they ever proved she did it on the way down? I was a bit confused during that part of the trial cause she had so many different stories and dates. As always.. Lol

The date/timestamps on the photos which chronicled the before and after conditions of the murder scene, the murderess, and her victim clearly proved when the murder occurred, where, and whom was present. Neither side challenged their accuracy or veracity. The hand print of the murderess in the victim's blood on the wall at the scene was incontrovertible.

Moreover, the defense never disputed that the defendant was there at the time of the killing. In fact, the defendant herself testified that she was there and killed the victim herself before heading north to 'adjust' and 'grind' Ryan Burns in Salt Lake City.

The two sides didn't materially disagree with respect to the general route she drove in the rental car from the time she left Redding until the time she returned, debate over un-returned WalMart gasoline containers and the Starbucks license plate skater pranksters notwithstanding.

The circumstantial and forensic evidence was overwhelming. Witnesses testified as to her whereabouts. When and where an inactivated cell phone couldn't place her, date/timestamps from 'deleted' digital images did.

Thus, the defense chose to acknowledge and attempt to rationalize this mountain of 'inconvenient' evidence as somehow supporting her choice to falsely accuse a former friend of pedophilia, stab him dozens of times, slit his throat and shoot him in the head, shortly before he was due to leave for Cancun with -- in her mind -- a competing love interest destined to be her victim's future wife.

Assuming that's what you meant by "if they ever proved she did it on the way down", that is. :smile:

 

[Truth Detector]

I can not find that page.

I did:

http://www.facebook.com/groups/270185933131888/

 

[ElleElle]

The date/timestamps on the photos which chronicled the before and after conditions of the murder scene, the murderess, and her victim clearly proved when the murder occurred, where, and whom was present. Neither side challenged their accuracy or veracity. The hand print of the murderess in the victim's blood on the wall at the scene was incontrovertible.

Moreover, the defense never disputed that the defendant was there at the time of the killing. In fact, the defendant herself testified that she was there and killed the victim herself before heading north to 'adjust' and 'grind' Ryan Burns in Salt Lake City.

The two sides didn't materially disagree with respect to the general route she drove in the rental car from the time she left Redding until the time she returned, debate over un-returned WalMart gasoline containers and the Starbucks license plate skater pranksters notwithstanding.

The circumstantial and forensic evidence was overwhelming. Witnesses testified as to her whereabouts. When and where an inactivated cell phone couldn't place her, date/timestamps from 'deleted' digital images did.

Thus, the defense chose to acknowledge and attempt to rationalize this mountain of 'inconvenient' evidence as somehow supporting her choice to falsely accuse a former friend of pedophilia, stab him dozens of times, slit his throat and shoot him in the head, shortly before he was due to leave for Cancun with -- in her mind -- a competing love interest destined to be her victim's future wife.

Assuming that's what you meant by "if they ever proved she did it on the way down", that is. :smile:

The roadtrip she took was never disputed really. Because receipts, time-stamped photos that were restored do not lie.

I still wonder if the pics were never restored if Jodi would of gotten away with it. :waitasec:

The motive is still is big question mark for me. Some say it was because Travis chose to take Mimi to Cancun. I do not think so much it was because of that but because Jodi would permanently losing her connection with Travis as he has clearly thrown in the towel as per the May 25/26 texts.

I believe Jodi was doing the Ryan Burns thing (no pun intended) in an attempt to make Travis jealous. After they had sex, he basically kicked her out, then she was armed and ready to kill.

Jodi was beyond obsessed with Travis and was slowly terrorizing him until the end.

 

[Ricki]

I did:

http://www.facebook.com/groups/270185933131888/

How very special. There are 6 members and that includes Donovan.

 

[Truth Detector]

The roadtrip she took was never disputed really. Because receipts, time-stamped photos that were restored do not lie.

I still wonder if the pics were never restored if Jodi would of gotten away with it. :waitasec:

The motive is still is big question mark for me. Some say it was because Travis chose to take Mimi to Cancun. I do not think so much it was because of that but because Jodi would permanently losing her connection with Travis as he has clearly thrown in the towel as per the May 25/26 texts.

I believe Jodi was doing the Ryan Burns thing (no pun intended) in an attempt to make Travis jealous. After they had sex, he basically kicked her out, then she was armed and ready to kill.

Jodi was beyond obsessed with Travis and was slowly terrorizing him until the end.

BBM

Her hand print in her victim's blood on her victim's wall was enough to convict.

In addition to the pics there was also the .25 caliber shell casing along with her grandfather's recently and 'coincidentally' missing .25 caliber handgun.

It was all just too 'de-edifying' for her to be acquitted.

 

[ElleElle]

BBM

Her hand print in her victim's blood on her victim's wall was enough to convict.

In addition to the pics there was also the .25 caliber shell casing along with her grandfather's recently and 'coincidentally' missing .25 caliber handgun.

It was all just too 'de-edifying' for her to be acquitted.

BBM ~ I've been ahem, "reading" and there is argument that the caliber of bullet used in Grandpa's gun was not the same bullet used.

I'm not familiar with guns, but can different bullets be used for different guns??

 

[LambChop]

BBM ~ I've been ahem, "reading" and there is argument that the caliber of bullet used in Grandpa's gun was not the same bullet used.

I'm not familiar with guns, but can different bullets be used for different guns??

They never recovered the gun but the caliber is reported as being the same as what would be used in the Grandfather's gun. Plus there was no ammo in the house, anywhere. No gun cleaning kit, no holster which he would need to carry the gun, no record of him buying a gun, nothing, nada. TA was so proud of his camera and showed if off to his roommates and friends wouldn't you think he'd have the same pride in the fact that he purchased a gun. Plus LE recovered the ammo from Jodi's parents home and if it were not a match defense would have certainly made an issue of this at trail. jmo

 

[ElleElle]

They never recovered the gun but the caliber is reported as being the same as what would be used in the Grandfather's gun. Plus there was no ammo in the house, anywhere. No gun cleaning kit, no holster which he would need to carry the gun, no record of him buying a gun, nothing, nada. TA was so proud of his camera and showed if off to his roommates and friends wouldn't you think he'd have the same pride in the fact that he purchased a gun. Plus LE recovered the ammo from Jodi's parents home and if it were not a match defense would have certainly made an issue of this at trail. jmo

BBM ~ That's right and there was also testimony that Travis borrowed guns from his friends when they went shooting.

However, is it possible Jodi got some bullets from Daryl?

:banghead: I wish the gun would have been found to put a nail in that coffin.

 

[Truth Detector]

BBM ~ I've been ahem, "reading" and there is argument that the caliber of bullet used in Grandpa's gun was not the same bullet used.

I'm not familiar with guns, but can different bullets be used for different guns??

Generally, no, if by "different" you refer to different calibers (varying internal diameters).

Using rounds too large for a chamber will certainly cause malfunction. In semi-automatics, for example, the shells can't even be correctly loaded into the magazine.

Rounds too small will also not load and chamber properly. If one is manually placed into the cylinder of a revolver, for example, there is no guarantee that the pin will even strike properly to fire the round, and the shell itself will not be positioned correctly and held in place such that the firing mechanism strikes it accurately.

Regardless, the larger point here is that if the gun was to be of more than indirect circumstantial value to the prosecution, then:

• Ballistic testing must be performed to ascertain whether the crime scene round was likely discharged through its barrel,
• Unless the gun is recovered, ballistic testing cannot be performed thereon,
• Probably only the convicted murderess knows where she placed the gun, and
• At this point, since she has already been convicted, and the gun can no longer assist in convicting or exonerating her, it is now of little value to either side.

 

[ElleElle]

Generally, no.

Using rounds too large for a chamber will certainly cause malfunction. In semi-automatics, for example, the shells can't even be correctly loaded into the magazine.

Rounds too small will also not load and chamber properly. If one is manually placed into the cylinder of a revolver, for example, there is no guarantee that the pin will even strike properly to fire the round, and the shell itself will not be positioned correctly and held in place such that the firing mechanism strikes it accurately.

Regardless, the larger point here is that if the gun was to be of more than indirect circumstantial value to the prosecution, then:

• Ballistic testing must be performed to ascertain whether the crime scene round was likely discharged through its barrel,
• Unless the gun is recovered, ballistic testing cannot be performed thereon,
• Probably only the convicted murderess knows where she placed the gun, and
• At this point, since she has already been convicted, and the gun can no longer assist in convicting or exonerating her, it is now of little value to either side.

BBM ~ Thanks Truth, I know it's a moot point, but still makes me think.

Perhaps Jodi tried to use a smaller caliber, and the second shot did misfire, hence the knife attack?

 

[geevee]

BBM ~ Thanks Truth, I know it's a moot point, but still makes me think.

Perhaps Jodi tried to use a smaller caliber, and the second shot did misfire, hence the knife attack?

Some of her supporters also think the rental car was fitted with an extra large gas tank to account for all the extra gas she purchased. :facepalm: They have the bullet, and know it was of the same caliber that fits the stolen gun of grandpa's, there's no mystery about the caliber of it or the shell casing found at the scene that the bullet had been in.

 

[geevee]

It's getting to be the same old song and dance with the hearings, huh? Wonder what the oral argument was about today and why it displeased the defense? Nothing in the minutes but if everything is sealed, there probably won't be.

 

[Truth Detector]

BBM ~ Thanks Truth, I know it's a moot point, but still makes me think.

Perhaps Jodi tried to use a smaller caliber, and the second shot did misfire, hence the knife attack?

No, not unless her grandfather is a liar as well.

He told the Yreka PD officer investigating the burglary that the magazine was fully loaded with jacketed hollow point rounds.

<modsnip>

She didn't need the wrong-sized ammo.

She stole a weapon loaded with the exact ammo made for it.

Not to mention that since the shell casing was found atop the blood, we know that she had already viciously wielded that knife with lasting and lethal effectiveness prior to pulling the trigger and putting a bullet into his brain.

 

[ElleElle]

No, not unless her grandfather is a liar as well.

He told the Yreka PD officer investigating the burglary that the magazine was fully loaded with jacketed hollow point rounds.

<modsnip>

She didn't need the wrong-sized ammo.

She stole a weapon loaded with the exact ammo made for it.

Not to mention that since the shell casing was found atop the blood, we know that she had already viciously wielded that knife with lasting and lethal effectiveness prior to pulling the trigger and putting a bullet into his brain.

BBM ~ Or the bullet casing got tossed around during the attack, since there was so much blood which, imo would cause tile floors to become slippery.

Which is the other thing among many that bother me. Since the attack was so brutal, I am surprised Jodi came out unscathed. And, there were no knife blade ends left anywhere.