Post Verdict -Working Out The Unresolved Questions

[Tulessa]

Ahhh, I understand them so what does that say about me????? :floorlaugh:

No comment Lamby!!:floorlaugh: :floorlaugh:

 

[geevee]

Yep. I see that too. IT is a shame in all these pics there is no reflection of the gun or knife.

I have been searching, believe me. lol

 

[geevee]

But one hand should be holding the camera, so two extended arms should not be visible. Is this logically correct?

I am hopelessly challenged spatially, but it would seem to me that if the reflection of the flash was towards the center of the picture, shouldn't the image of the person taking the picture be centered as well?

I think it's a reflection off the shower door she's moving towards as she's taking the picture (and the camera also photographs Travis behind the door), I don't know if that makes a double reverse or what, I'm sorta challenged that way myself. I always have to check which is right and which is left by moving a hand. lol

 

[NotMyselfNEMore]

I think it's a reflection off the shower door she's moving towards as she's taking the picture (and the camera also photographs Travis behind the door), I don't know if that makes a double reverse or what, I'm sorta challenged that way myself. I always have to check which is right and which is left by moving a hand. lol

Wow, excellent photo Geevee - you rock. I see her, and it's very creepy! I'm just guessing, but if what I believe to be the camera is the camera - it looks to me as if she was holding it kind of low, probably tilted a bit upwards (maybe while she retrieved something?). As I look at it, I keep seeing the outline of a knife in her hand - but I think it could be a strap around her neck from the camera (which if she was wearing, and Travis wanted to do her harm, he would have used to if nothing else, leash her, and at worst choke her - but we know that didn't happen, because he did not harm her).

Also if she had the camera strapped around her neck, she wouldn't have dropped it. Maybe she didn't ever drop it?, maybe she took those unintentional photos while leaning over, or in attack mode? - maybe put it in the wash thinking it would get rid of...well, whatever had gotten on it?.
Maybe she intended to take it with her, when she left - but had to rush out of there fast, and couldn't wait for the wash to finish, because the roommate returned (I do believe she intended to make the bed (which is why she washed the sheets), but ran out of time.
I'm suddenly getting a new reason for that screen to have been out of the window on street level - could she have parked nearby, and scooted out the window in haste, hearing the roommate, and having locked everything else up tight?
I'm also thinking she stood off center to avoid reflection of the flash in the glass of the shower door - I'm no photographer, but I know when I try to take a picture out my window straight on, all I see is the flash.
CM, surely would have known that, being the 'professional' she was.

Love the color enhance on the photo, but it's making me think way too much about actions I don't think I will ever understand - my brain hurts!

 

[geevee]

Wow, excellent photo Geevee - you rock. I see her, and it's very creepy! I'm just guessing, but if what I believe to be the camera is the camera - it looks to me as if she was holding it kind of low, probably tilted a bit upwards (maybe while she retrieved something?). As I look at it, I keep seeing the outline of a knife in her hand - but I think it could be a strap around her neck from the camera (which if she was wearing, and Travis wanted to do her harm, he would have used to if nothing else, leash her, and at worst choke her - but we know that didn't happen, because he did not harm her).

Also if she had the camera strapped around her neck, she wouldn't have dropped it. Maybe she didn't ever drop it?, maybe she took those unintentional photos while leaning over, or in attack mode? - maybe put it in the wash thinking it would get rid of...well, whatever had gotten on it?.
Maybe she intended to take it with her, when she left - but had to rush out of there fast, and couldn't wait for the wash to finish, because the roommate returned (I do believe she intended to make the bed (which is why she washed the sheets), but ran out of time.
I'm suddenly getting a new reason for that screen to have been out of the window on street level - could she have parked nearby, and scooted out the window in haste, hearing the roommate, and having locked everything else up tight?
I'm also thinking she stood off center to avoid reflection of the flash in the glass of the shower door - I'm no photographer, but I know when I try to take a picture out my window straight on, all I see is the flash.
CM, surely would have known that, being the 'professional' she was.

Love the color enhance on the photo, but it's making me think way too much about actions I don't think I will ever understand - my brain hurts!

I keep thinking there may be something in that hand as well but can't get a definitive shape to confirm, will keep trying though.

I too have wondered if she had a neck strap on, after the full face pic, every other one except the shoulder pic (5:32:16) could be taken with the camera swinging around her chest area. Maybe even that one but it seems like the camera is behind the pant leg (if that is her pant leg) and she'd almost have to be bending over backwards to have captured that angle, but I can't rule it out because I'm still not sure what exactly is happening in that pic. I have some screenshots of courtroom monitors that show a bare foot moving where the 'sock' is and to the picture left (or moving the other way, who knows), I'll label and upload it later, but it only helps add confusion to that pic.

I really like your thought process about the screen and her maybe leaving from that window, it makes a lot of sense and we know for sure she was in the bathroom near the office, and I think she was the one using his computer at 4:whatever p.m.

You said it better than I could about the way she shot that shower pic.

 

[Dana]

Scoot over Dana, I never make sense! :floorlaugh:

Ahhh, I understand them so what does that say about me????? :floorlaugh:

WAIT?! We don't have to make sense do we? :scared: I'm so confused!
:floorlaugh:



Thanks geevee! I puppy sit the pooch on my avatar, his name is Zorro who belongs to my brother who got him at the pound. Love that puppy breath


So sorry, OT! I think I'm getting this way from staring so long at geevees green photos LOL Thanks for posting it though, I never noticed CMJA in the reflection before - creeepy!

 

[geevee]

I forgot, 5:25:00 is a longer shot than the one above, I got the best ss I could of the lower portion and put them together, it doesn't help much in our search for reflections but thought I'd post it.

I haven't studied the bottom of it much because, as you can see, it's blurry, either because that's the way the photo is or JM was moving it when the screenshot was taken. That's happened on at least two others (and one still has me confused, but later on that), the only day they were shown there was never a good opportunity to get a good ss of the entire picture, or one when it wasn't being moved. But we do the best with what we have.

I'd so love all of these originals on a disc, I'd become a recluse and never see the light of day. lol

 

[aa9511]

I am sure these questions have already been asked, but I am curious about any details that might be available on the day of her arrest ...

1. Does law enforcement know more than they are saying about her destination?
2. Was she trying to flee - heading to Canada/Mexico?
3. Why the gun and other weapons hidden amongst the books
4. Her Father's interview revealed that she said she had to leave?
5. Has more info been given by "the parents" that hasn't been disclosed?
6. Why did the parents not testify on her behalf in the mitigation/penalty phase? (I think there was a risk of being charged with something like "covering up evidence" etc.)

And on other areas ...

1. What do they have on Matt M.? Something to do with those magazines that she was trying to smuggle out of jail through Ann Campbell?????
2. Where IS MM ???
3. Does DB know more than he's revealing about her personality? I think he does ... he is a very weird dude. Maybe it's the way he speaks .. icky!

I'm sure there are no answers or any information out there to answer my questions, but maybe at the end of this ordeal and she is put away forever, there will be more information released from the Court.

bbm

I think when we get to see the side-bars and in-chambers hearing, we'll get a lot of information of what all Martinez tried to bring in against her.

For sure, her family is hiding a lot of stuff about her. There is no way this woman did not show any signs of evil-ness prior to the murder. I'm sure there were things that she did that scared her parents, such as killing pets, etc.. Surely they saw her scary obsessive-ness with her other boyfriends.

 

[aa9511]

Thank you so much for this thread Geevee. I have unanswered questions too. Like the ones you mentioned, and others too. But, as far as the gas can fill up after the murder, I was intrigued by that too. Part of me thought for a moment that maybe she had someone with her and filled gas for that person too, or maybe they met there to dispose of weapons and both needed gas, or maybe she had thoughts of going somewhere else, or maybe she was delerious by then. Also, the part of the trip after she saw Ryan seems odd too, when you look at how long it took and the stops she made.

The gas cans in SLC, I think she really did just fill them up to save money...you know, her penny-pinching ways as she said on the stand, "coupon-clipper," etc.. I imagine wouldn't gas be cheaper in SLC than in California? The other things...like weight of the cans would cost her more gas and danger of that much gas in her car...I don't think she thought about those things. She's not the brightest bulb in the pack. I'm surprised she didn't do better in school, because she doesn't seem very street-smart....and yet she's not book-smart, either.

I too, like others have said, am very curious as to what exactly she did with the murder weapons. Would she have disposed of them before Hoover Dam, in case she got stopped and they searched her car? Or did she throw them both in a dumpster somewhere after Hoover Dam?

 

[rose222]

Look at the upper right quadrant of the pic, see her taking a pic and moving her other hand to the shower door?

Yes, I see it now. Thanks!

 

[geevee]

Of all of the shower photos, this one to me most of all contradicts her stories for taking the shower pics - Calvin Klein style shoot (none remotely resemble that), - Got all buff and wanted pics for his Cancun trip ('umm..who took these pics of you naked in your shower, Travis?' might anyone ask after viewing them), but this one is just the picture of resignation:

It was only 8 seconds before the full face shot.

 

[rose222]

Of all of the shower photos, this one to me most of all contradicts her stories for taking the shower pics - Calvin Klein style shoot (none remotely resemble that), - Got all buff and wanted pics for his Cancun trip ('umm..who took these pics of you naked in your shower, Travis?' might anyone ask after viewing them), but this one is just the picture of resignation:

It was only 8 seconds before the full face shot.

Absolutely. A grown man like Travis is not going to voluntarily sit down in a small shower so a woman like Jodi can take unflattering photos. It's the look of fear and resignation. Not too much of a stretch to say this as seconds later he was being stabbed.

 

[rose222]

Since this shower scene is eerily similar to the Psycho shower scene do you guys believe that JA forced Travis to strike those poses? It's much too similar to be a coincidence. No way that Travis voluntarily did it. He's not going to happily pose to recreate the Psycho shower scene out of the blue like that. He wasn't on good terms with JA and had an important meeting later that evening. Does it make sense that a boy who was not comfortable taking any photos in the shower would want to recreate a frightening movie scene? Nuh uh. The poor boy just wanted to take a shower and get on with his day!

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Since this shower scene is eerily similar to the Psycho shower scene do you guys believe that JA forced Travis to strike those poses? It's much too similar to be a coincidence. No way that Travis voluntarily did it. He's not going to happily pose to recreate the Psycho shower scene out of the blue like that. He wasn't on good terms with JA and had an important meeting later that evening. Does it make sense that a boy who was not comfortable taking any photos in the shower would want to recreate a frightening movie scene? Nuh uh. The poor boy just wanted to take a shower and get on with his day!

I don't believe she forced him too. Looking at the enhanced photo I think she just had him do different thing. There does not appear to be a knife or gun in her hand at that point.

I think he was just going along thinking she would be gone soon and that would be that.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Absolutely. A grown man like Travis is not going to voluntarily sit down in a small shower so a woman like Jodi can take unflattering photos. It's the look of fear and resignation. Not too much of a stretch to say this as seconds later he was being stabbed.

I disagree. Calvin Klein ads have weird poses in them or they used to.
In that pose I see him just looking directly in the camera as CK models often do. To me this is her directing him and him trying to show intensity as he stares into the camera directly.

What shakes me is that Travis must have been so shocked and scared when the stabbing began. She could have killed him in his sleep, but she waited until he was wide awake, naked, wet and defenseless before she struck.

I have no doubt if she got away with it thus would not be her only victim.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

The gas cans in SLC, I think she really did just fill them up to save money...you know, her penny-pinching ways as she said on the stand, "coupon-clipper," etc.. I imagine wouldn't gas be cheaper in SLC than in California? The other things...like weight of the cans would cost her more gas and danger of that much gas in her car...I don't think she thought about those things. She's not the brightest bulb in the pack. I'm surprised she didn't do better in school, because she doesn't seem very street-smart....and yet she's not book-smart, either.

I too, like others have said, am very curious as to what exactly she did with the murder weapons. Would she have disposed of them before Hoover Dam, in case she got stopped and they searched her car? Or did she throw them both in a dumpster somewhere after Hoover Dam?

If she wanted to save money she would not have filled them all up in ca. No one carries 15 gallons of gas in their trunk to save money. A heavier car uses more gas plus you are creating a bomb should you be rear ended.

No this was absolutely to cover her trip to Mesa.

 

[geevee]

I don't believe she forced him too. Looking at the enhanced photo I think she just had him do different thing. There does not appear to be a knife or gun in her hand at that point.

I think he was just going along thinking she would be gone soon and that would be that.

I'm still undecided as to whether he knew she was armed or not; his expression doesn't seem particularly worried in any of the pics that she may do something nuts, but he also doesn't appear to be enjoying himself or striking poses for the camera.

Since he was modest and even she admitted (to Flores) that he wouldn't willingly submit to a nude photo shoot in the shower, she obviously coerced him somehow, but I'm not sure it was with a weapon. He does seem to know near the last couple that it's not going to end well, but even in the full face shot I don't see outright fear. In that one he wasn't even looking at her face, the camera flash is on his upper forehead and his line of sight is below it. Just something I noticed. lol

 

[geevee]

If she wanted to save money she would not have filled them all up in ca. No one carries 15 gallons of gas in their trunk to save money. A heavier car uses more gas plus you are creating a bomb should you be rear ended.

No this was absolutely to cover her trip to Mesa.

I am coming to the conclusion that filling them all up in SLC after leaving Ryan had to do with disposing of the weapons. She didn't need gas in the cans, even if, for the sake of argument, that Winnemucca was the only place to get gas after SLC, she knew she could make it there, it was a shorter trip than Pasadena to Mesa, and she made that with what was in the tank.

But she told Juan that 15 miles outside of Winne. the low gas light came on and she searched on her phone and found the closest station was 15 miles away, so she put gas in the car from a can.

But when she gets to Winne. she puts 12.175 gallons in the car, one transaction only. He uses it to establish how much gas can fit in the tank but also showed that had she put any from a can into the tank it was extremely minimal because she only drove 15 miles and could still fit more than 12 gallons in the tank.

I say that she went from SLC somewhere to dispose of the weapons, used some can gas for burning the clothes and nearly ran out of gas getting back on her route outside of Winnemucca. Otherwise there is no reason on earth to carry a smelly bomb in your trunk in the summertime. In the desert.

Weapons must be west of a point between SLC and Winne., or around the Great Salt Lake - had Travis and she ever made a trip there? If she actually did call a gas station in Winne. the ping could be used to pinpoint which direction she was coming to Winne. from.

 

[geevee]

I had a thought, she likes puzzles and thinks she's craftier than everyone else (those messages she was trying to sneak out of jail had a not-too-bad code for piecing them together), so what if she left some intentional clues? We have the travisalexander Flickr photo gallery that's a mystery, who opened that account just before his death? And why those 6 pictures? I wrote down the title of each one, if anyone is good at puzzles, maybe something with the Flickr thing means something:

Zion Ponder 3 - EF-1

Trav's Rockys

Ponder Bryce - EF

Cumbres & Toltec RR

Balloon Fiesta (3)

Grand Canyon

Here's the Flickr link:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/27308599@N07/

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I am coming to the conclusion that filling them all up in SLC after leaving Ryan had to do with disposing of the weapons. She didn't need gas in the cans, even if, for the sake of argument, that Winnemucca was the only place to get gas after SLC, she knew she could make it there, it was a shorter trip than Pasadena to Mesa, and she made that with what was in the tank.

But she told Juan that 15 miles outside of Winne. the low gas light came on and she searched on her phone and found the closest station was 15 miles away, so she put gas in the car from a can.

But when she gets to Winne. she puts 12.175 gallons in the car, one transaction only. He uses it to establish how much gas can fit in the tank but also showed that had she put any from a can into the tank it was extremely minimal because she only drove 15 miles and could still fit more than 12 gallons in the tank.

I say that she went from SLC somewhere to dispose of the weapons, used some can gas for burning the clothes and nearly ran out of gas getting back on her route outside of Winnemucca. Otherwise there is no reason on earth to carry a smelly bomb in your trunk in the summertime. In the desert.

Weapons must be west of a point between SLC and Winne., or around the Great Salt Lake - had Travis and she ever made a trip there? If she actually did call a gas station in Winne. the ping could be used to pinpoint which direction she was coming to Winne. from.

I think that she used the remainder of the gas she had to burn all the stuff in the desert. I believe she used much of it driving from CA to Mesa. Then I think she filled up on the way back to have a record of being there and to show that she used up all the gas driving from CA to SLC. Now she had to refill for the ride home. To me it just goes to her alibi.

It drives me crazy and if I lived out that way I would be searching all over for things..