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[Emre E]

I will have to work for a few days, I'm sorry I will not be writing during that time. I would like to compare Adolph Hitler and Martin Luther King. In that comparison I will use every kind of racial slur and stereotype to make my point clear.

Please watch Ms. Lisa Lampanelli.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4cBeYAa33I

She makes the rudest, most vulgar jokes to her audience. There are persons of different races, look carefully, are they annoyed or are they having fun?

If you feel you may be offended with my analysis or feel to run to a wrong judgement about me without seeing beyond the words and filtering the idea, and have the intention to report me to the mods with unsupported accusations, please write ahead so I don't waste my time.

Of course this is about backing my theory on LISK to be an African American person. Have other theories? Please give the post #, I will read each and every word carefully.

Thanks a lot.

 

[hawkshaw]

I was on a murder investigation that brought me to The Met Hotel on Queens Blvd. When we got into the crack den I found a pretty young lady there to buy crack. Well dressed and appeared to come from a good family. I made her ID herself and chased her out. I called her parents- real decent people. They knew she acquired a drug habit and knew there wasn't much they could do about it.

I would call the mom and dad from time to time to see if the kid got better. It got worse, much worse - she was peddling her body at Queens Plaza. A couple of times I went there to 'harass' her to get her off the block for at least an hour. She threatened to make an harassment complaint on me - LOL.

The next time I saw her was after she helped her pimp rob a trick she had in a motel. The pimp killed the John. She should have been arrested for homicide. Don't know why the assigned detective didn't do it: He could have been lazy; thought he didn't have a case against her; he just didn't care because he had one in a cell. I SUSPECT the detective was compassionate because he saw the same thing I saw: the girl was as much of a victim as the John that got killed.

I waited a few months and called the parents and told them how lucky they were their daughter wasn't arrested for murder. I didn't need to encourage them to keep on trying.

About a year later I made another call and learned the daughter had seemed to straighten herself out. She met a nice boy and they were going to be married. At least for that moment the family was happy. Never did follow up on the kid.

I think I can fairly say without fear of contradiction that I have met more dead prostitutes than any of you, combined have met. I never lost a wink of sleep over them. If there was any sadness in my heart it was because these young ladies were forced into this lifestyle as most of them were into drugs.

BTW, I read Kolker's book and read the profiles of the GB 4. They sure as hell didn't have great and loving families to support them. That is sad. These gals never really had a chance in life.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I simply don't agree that these girls never had a chance. I grew up in a home that was the stuff of nightmares (and I'm not alone in that, I assure you). I made incredibly poor choices in my 20's, many of which could have easily ended my life. But 30 years later I sit here...happy, healthy, wonderful marriage, successful in my profession, at peace in life. There is not a single person here who has the right to predict what the future would have held for any of these women. Or for any of the other women who fall into this life. Where there is life, there is ALWAYS a chance for something better. The fact that someone viciously took these women's lives is the ONLY thing that never gave them that chance.

(No offense intended to you at all, Hawk.)

 

[twocuriouscats]

While we're at it, I'd like to respectfully request that we stop with all the antagonistic "exercises" and challenges in which we're supposed to guess what the poster is thinking. This isn't criminology class, and to my knowledge we have no professors here in this thread.

The easiest way to move forward is to state exactly what you're thinking, and let others agree, disagree, or talk it out. This is a great thread when it's fluid with theories and ideas.

ETA: When you cling to the notion that the use of the word "gals" is the problem, you miss the entire point of what was stated by myself and others. RESPECT AND COMPASSION for the victims is paramount. It has nothing--I repeat, nothing--to do with the word "gals."

You're preaching to the choir. IMO, nothing these last few pages has shown disrespect for any of the girls or families. We are well aware of their chosen lifestyle and do not condemn them for it. If you have read past posts from all us older posters (including Hawk and Emre), you would know that we have all taken a position of defending the victims.
I feel like you are trying to moderate the thread.

 

[hawkshaw]

I am not saying gals raised in trying circumstances are always lost causes, but they have the deck stacked against them. When dealing with these gals when I was a detective found them friendly and helpful when they could. Happy when they zonked out on drugs. When I moonlighted as a NYC cab driver they always tipped well.

I have met all kinds of hookers from the $2.00 to $1,000.00 variety. I remember back to my younger days growing up in S.Jamaica. The neighborhood was plentiful with them. I remember one gal named Fran, in particular. She was the daughter of a well known Nassau County restaurateur. She fell into drugs and resorted to being a prostitute to support that habit. She was gorgeous and resembled Ava Gardner. I worked nights in an Italian bread bakery. I was only in my mid-teens. The girls would often stop by to peddle their wares. In case you are wondering ? No, I never partook.

I always felt sorry for Fran - such a beautiful girl whose life was wasted by drugs and prostitution. I wonder to this day what became of her.

I never became emotionally attached to a murder victim and that includes many children that came to a violent end. Maybe that was a shield I, and other cops erected to get through the day. Or maybe I just didn't care as long as it wasn't my blood or the blood of a loved one.

Some times I wonder if our callousness when we found a murdered prostitute that somewhere inside ourselves we knew their torment was over.

 

[Just K]

This is still the theory thread and I must say I haven't seen many new theories here, lately. The talk about the child/mother victims could go to their respective threads. JMO, of course. A theory is a guess...no need to criticize anyone's theory. Again, JMO.

 

[Just K]

Well, I don't know that the person who typed that topix post WAS actually Rita's daughter. Even if it was her, we can't verify it as being true. Like you, I tend to believe it, but I always try to qualify that topix post by stating what I know to be fact, that someone posting as Rita's daughter claimed to be friends with Melissa.

It wasn't a Topix comment that I read. It was a direct Facebook linked comment to an actual MSM news story about the GB4. And, going to the linked Facebook page showed the young woman at home and lots of photos in general.

ETA: THE ACTUAL LINK to Amanda's comment
http://archive.longislandpress.com/2011/03/24/long-islands-other-serial-killer/
ETA 2
IMO, she is Rita's daughter. She was born 4/2/88 and has connections to Bay Shore and Patchogue and last posted that she was in Buffalo. I found a 10/2/13 public record for her in Tonawanda, NY...a city in Erie County near Buffalo. She mentions the Bronx as her hometown.

 

[twocuriouscats]

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Of course this is about backing my theory on LISK to be an African American person. Have other theories? Please give the post #, I will read each and every word carefully.

Thanks a lot.[/QUOTE]

RSBIBM
I would like to hear more about your theory that LISK is an African American person. I am totally open to that possibility. I have thought that myself a few times. Why do you think he would be AA?
Is it because most of them were associated with black men (romeo pimps/boyfriends)?
That they were trafficked by black men?
Because LISK called MB's sister a "half-breed"?
All good reasons IMO.
We don't know much about Amber in regards to african american men, but there is a story in Kolker's book about a john(black man) who they tried to scam and he demanded his money back - and he got it back. So we know she had black johns.

Another note:
Maureen wanted to be a rapper.
Melissa hung out with wannabe rappers.
Megan's previous pimp may have been a (wannabe) rapper IIRC.
Amber - we don't know much about her relating to rappers.

 

[Emre E]

May I ask this probably bearded fat man may have admitted to a career risking mistake over a career ending felony?

Oh... that would be "moustached". Sorry, Hawk, I often confuse these two words. This possibly "drunk white guy" has a moustache?

 

[cpaul]

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IMO, she is Rita's daughter.

Her cousin TT commented on one of her FB pictures.

 

[LindsayLohan6]

What are some reasons the killer would be familiar with the State Land on Ocean Parkway and Manorville?

 

[Puggle]

just a theory....LISK is small in statue.

 

[ktgirl]

just a theory....LISK is small in statue.

I tend to agree this is a possibility. Most of the Gilgo victims were around 5 feet tall with the exception of one, if I am remembering correctly. Google tells me the average American man is 5'9", which is nearly my height (and I'm a woman), so I'm close to being taller then half of the men in the country going by these stats. Seems the shorter the perp is, the smaller he'd want his victims to be so he can more easily overpower them. It seems to me a man who is of average or shorter than average height would want victims much smaller than himself, which would mean victims around 5' or so. I think it's possible that when LISK is arrested he will be of average male height or shorter. Probably not over 6' tall for sure.

 

[Emre E]

One special piece of gospelized reporting is "Amber Costello was never reported missing". So, her DNA and other specifics are not in the database, but somehow the police goes to Kim to report her sister is found dead. How exactly? Anybody want to discuss the possible explanation?

 

[Emre E]

I tend to agree this is a possibility. Most of the Gilgo victims were around 5 feet tall with the exception of one, if I am remembering correctly. Google tells me the average American man is 5'9", which is nearly my height (and I'm a woman), so I'm close to being taller then half of the men in the country going by these stats. Seems the shorter the perp is, the smaller he'd want his victims to be so he can more easily overpower them. It seems to me a man who is of average or shorter than average height would want victims much smaller than himself, which would mean victims around 5' or so. I think it's possible that when LISK is arrested he will be of average male height or shorter. Probably not over 6' tall for sure.

6 ft looks like a good estimate to me too. Too much deviation from that? To taller not really, to shorter not much. While in the beginning as I was too much occupied with the "burlap bag" thing, I was thinking of how he/them put the bodies in their final position. I was thinking of a throwing style like that in the picture;

http://www.lastwordonnothing.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Picture-7.png

That's not exactly it, and still I don't know the verb for it, flinging, swinging ????

Anyway, that kind of throwing could cause broken bones which would baffle the ME. So, I reasoned that the bodies are actually carried/dragged to the spots, at least to the last foot distance.

That going like not much of a big person etc... Think you got the point.

 

[Puggle]

Ok sorry wasn't sure where to post this...but theory is as good as anywhere. I was just reading back on another thread - discussion of JT's Tattoo.

I'm on the fence. I'll probably be sitting here a while. I don't think the lisk would call jt 20 over 8 months. And not the sister.
At the same time I don't really picture a pimp sitting there making random restricted phone calls to another pimp of a missing girl.
Unless if the SK is a pimp him self and that's why he would maybe want to remove jt tattoo.

Another Pimp?......Jessica's Tattoo wasn't removed...Yes the larger portion but the wing remained. In my opinion the mutilation to the tattoo, rather than the entire removal of it is very important clue. If you reason that the killer had the means to dismember her body - which he did...then he also had the means to totally remove that section of skin if he had wanted to so why didn't he??. Her torso was left out to be found - which is also another important clue. If from what I have read here in the past is correct Jessica's boyfriend was in Atlantic city at the time. Would it be reasonable that if she were alone at the time that perhaps another pimp was attempting to take control of Jessica and she wasn't cooperative. I think I can recall in reading earlier threads here that some posters were able to make a connection between some of the pimps (Between Jessica's and Megan's)........he's within their network. He knows the girls or knows enough about them to know when they are vulnerable. Maureen came to town with friends that had left - he knew she was alone. Melissa had grown tired of JT and had started taking bookings on her own (Which he acknowledged he knew - what pimp allows that!!!), Megan I believe was unhappy and wanting out (Hence AC promising her the day before she went missing - that he would allow her to get pregnant and stop escorting - what pimp does that???...remember it's a business for these guys), Amber I can only speculate that possibly she wanted out - possibly she had been shaken by the bashing she received a few months earlier, maybe she was getting sick and tired of sharing her money with her boyfriend BB

Not sure if I've found another piece to the puzzle...could be nothing...but here goes anyway...

Make sure you have your screenshots ready when you go look...before it all goes POOF into thin air!!!) I can't post names as no msm has mentioned this person...but I think I have found another connection between a Victim (I believe she was) and Person who is also friends with Pimp of Victim. I'm hesitant to name her as when she was mentioned here on the boards - all info disappeared...but obviously with time...people are feeling more relaxed. So I'll just call her Tash.

THINK Jessica' pimp.... his contacts....and one of only two contacts we could find for Tash (drowning victim)

As I said could mean nothing...but just throwing it out there for consideration.

 

[Emre E]

Ok sorry wasn't sure where to post this...but theory is as good as anywhere. I was just reading back on another thread - discussion of JT's Tattoo.



Another Pimp?......Jessica's Tattoo wasn't removed...Yes the larger portion but the wing remained. In my opinion the mutilation to the tattoo, rather than the entire removal of it is very important clue. If you reason that the killer had the means to dismember her body - which he did...then he also had the means to totally remove that section of skin if he had wanted to so why didn't he??. Her torso was left out to be found - which is also another important clue. If from what I have read here in the past is correct Jessica's boyfriend was in Atlantic city at the time. Would it be reasonable that if she were alone at the time that perhaps another pimp was attempting to take control of Jessica and she wasn't cooperative. I think I can recall in reading earlier threads here that some posters were able to make a connection between some of the pimps (Between Jessica's and Megan's)........he's within their network. He knows the girls or knows enough about them to know when they are vulnerable. Maureen came to town with friends that had left - he knew she was alone. Melissa had grown tired of JT and had started taking bookings on her own (Which he acknowledged he knew - what pimp allows that!!!), Megan I believe was unhappy and wanting out (Hence AC promising her the day before she went missing - that he would allow her to get pregnant and stop escorting - what pimp does that???...remember it's a business for these guys), Amber I can only speculate that possibly she wanted out - possibly she had been shaken by the bashing she received a few months earlier, maybe she was getting sick and tired of sharing her money with her boyfriend BB

Not sure if I've found another piece to the puzzle...could be nothing...but here goes anyway...

Make sure you have your screenshots ready when you go look...before it all goes POOF into thin air!!!) I can't post names as no msm has mentioned this person...but I think I have found another connection between a Victim (I believe she was) and Person who is also friends with Pimp of Victim. I'm hesitant to name her as when she was mentioned here on the boards - all info disappeared...but obviously with time...people are feeling more relaxed. So I'll just call her Tash.

THINK Jessica' pimp.... his contacts....and one of only two contacts we could find for Tash (drowning victim)

As I said could mean nothing...but just throwing it out there for consideration.

Most of the above I agree, except the bolded part. I don't think the killers had any intention for making her body available to be found. Her torso was just discarded with the sickest disrespect in human dignity. Glad we're singing the same tune about the "perfect" destruction of the tat. Think I have more to write about Jessica's case.

Considering Maureen's case, I believe this guy is not an actual pimp. Maureen was a rogue asset, and an actual pimp could easily bring her into game. I believe she was robbed and killed. Easy money.

 

[Puggle]

OK ...now when do coincidences that keep popping up become more than coincidence.... Just found this when reading Long Island Victims with connect to rehab thread.

Colleen McNamee left from her drug-treatment program at the South Shore Treatment Center in Islandia with another outpatient at about 10 a.m. on the day she disappeared. She was last seen getting into a small blue car in front of the Blue Dawn Diner in Islandia. The car drove east on Veteran's Memorial Highway. The couple said their daughter, who had been in and out of drug-treatment programs, had held several jobs after graduating Sachem High School in 1991,

Emre....you may want to have a look at the pimp connection I posted above...

 

[Emre E]

OK ...now when do coincidences that keep popping up become more than coincidence.... Just found this when reading Long Island Victims with connect to rehab thread.

Colleen McNamee left from her drug-treatment program at the South Shore Treatment Center in Islandia with another outpatient at about 10 a.m. on the day she disappeared. She was last seen getting into a small blue car in front of the Blue Dawn Diner in Islandia. The car drove east on Veteran's Memorial Highway. The couple said their daughter, who had been in and out of drug-treatment programs, had held several jobs after graduating Sachem High School in 1991,

Emre....you may want to have a look at the pimp connection I posted above...

Don't get me wrong. It's a strong path you've taken in my opinion.

I really can't put myself in the shoes of a pimp, but I'm assuming there are some unwritten laws of their business. Like staying away from each others assets and stuff, I think you get my point. A pimp doing that doesn't strike me as a viable option, but I'm assuming my perp someone with connections to the prostitution circles, hangs around with pimps and prostitutes, makes good observations and strikes when opportunity presents itself. Like when Megan gets out of the hotel in the middle of the night. You should look at the scene in Hauppague motel in google streetview. Almost like middle of nowhere.

 

[Puggle]

Most of the above I agree, except the bolded part. I don't think the killers had any intention for making her body available to be found. Her torso was just discarded with the sickest disrespect in human dignity. Glad we're singing the same tune about the "perfect" destruction of the tat. Think I have more to write about Jessica's case.

Considering Maureen's case, I believe this guy is not an actual pimp. Maureen was a rogue asset, and an actual pimp could easily bring her into game. I believe she was robbed and killed. Easy money.

We will have to agree to disagree about Jessica's remains. From my point of view the fact that she was left in an area used by locals to hang out and drink, get high and whatever, makes me think the killer wasn't to fussed about her body being found...and if anything he "got off" knowing somebody would come across that grossly disturbing sight.