Pre-meditated or Spur of the Moment?

[golfmom]

Yes, there was a gun taken, fired casings and unfired casings. Take a look at the search warrant.
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Jen, they were not taken during the search, they told the judge that they wanted to look for guns and fired and unfired casings in the request for the search warrant.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Maybe the gun that was taken from the home wasn't theirs.

How did I miss that? I don't recall a gun being removed from the house. Then again, I've only looked at the search warrant inventory 30 times.

 

[golfmom]

How did I miss that? I don't recall a gun being removed from the house. Then again, I've only looked at the search warrant inventory 30 times.

JG, those items weren't removed from the home, that's some of the items they told the judge they would be looking for during the search.

Also, remember I said I reserved my right to change my mind on the pre-meditated issue? ThinkofLaura's post flipped me. I'm camping in the pre-meditated campground now.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

JG, those items weren't removed from the home, that's some of the items they told the judge they would be looking for during the search.

Thank goodness! I couldn't imagine how I could possibly have missed that!

 

[LvsAMystry]

I believe the murder was well thought out in that the killer was apparently smart enough to have a clean change of clothing ( possibly minus underwear), to probably go to a creek by the property to change clothing, had money for pay phone calls if needed ( some of which spilled out of the pockets) and had an alibi. I don't know how airtight the alibi is, but that may be the sticking point if they don't have a coroner experienced in establishing TOD.

Your words made me think of something, although purely speculative as well. Maybe the person didn't have a change a clothes by the river at all. Could it possibly be that the person was smart enough to leave the clothes he/she was wearing by the river before the crime, commit the crime naked, and then return to clean the body/weapon and place the clothes back on. It would explain how Raven could have done it himself without much evidence finding it's way onto his clothing.

 

[LvsAMystry]

Jennifred, are you aware that you can get $2 million dollars worth of insurance ( with double payout or more for accidental death vs. natural death) on a 25 year old woman for less than $50 per month?

IF he was only going to need the insurance for the next 30 days after issue, then what's $50 compared to $4 million?
Not saying he did this, but that the payout for money expended would be better than any casino odds.A surefire thing, UNLESS he gets caught in the web of deception.

There would definitely be an insurance policy. Janet worked for a large corporation that carried employee life insurance, which is on average 3 to 5x salary. Most provide additional accidental coverage of substantial amounts for significantly low dollar contributions. I've tried to get specifics on benefit info for her employer's policies, but could really only come up with the fact that these benefits are provided. It would be interesting to know 1) how much, and 2) when she became eligible for these policies in terms of when she was hired.

 

[golfmom]

There would definitely be an insurance policy. Janet worked for a large corporation that carried employee life insurance, which is on average 3 to 5x salary. Most provide additional accidental coverage of substantial amounts for significantly low dollar contributions. I've tried to get specifics on benefit info for her employer's policies, but could really only come up with the fact that these benefits are provided. It would be interesting to know 1) how much, and 2) when she became eligible for these policies in terms of when she was hired.

Or if those policies carried over with COBRA from her previous employer. With a new baby I could see how she'd want to hang onto her old insurance until the new insurance kicked in.

 

[Thinkoflaura]

Absolutely, a spouse could murder a family member nude. There was a blood smear on a wall leading to a door and they also did swabbings from the doorknob as I recall. The smear could have been his bloody body contacting the wall ( although I have thought it was hers until now..).

Although, with a knife being swung around, and with Janet being athletic.. he was taking a risk if naked, wasn't he? The Lorena Bobbitt case and all of that.

Your words made me think of something, although purely speculative as well. Maybe the person didn't have a change a clothes by the river at all. Could it possibly be that the person was smart enough to leave the clothes he/she was wearing by the river before the crime, commit the crime naked, and then return to clean the body/weapon and place the clothes back on. It would explain how Raven could have done it himself without much evidence finding it's way onto his clothing.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Or if those policies carried over with COBRA from her previous employer. With a new baby I could see how she'd want to hang onto her old insurance until the new insurance kicked in.

COBRA is only for health insurance, isn't it, not life insurance?

 

[golfmom]

Life insurance, however, is not covered under COBRA. - Click her for COBRA Insurance Life Insurance Alternative Options

http://www.cobrainsurance.com/COBRA_Law.htm

 

[Jenifred]

Jen, they were not taken during the search, they told the judge that they wanted to look for guns and fired and unfired casings in the request for the search warrant.

Thanks for the correction GM, looking at the incident report now, I jumped the gun (not very funny, I know) on that one. This is my first analysis on a crime, and so I did misunderstand the first few paragraphs of the search warrant. I thought that they were listing the things that they took and not just what they'd take if they found it.

So, sorry for the confusion!

 

[golfmom]

Thanks for the correction GM, looking at the incident report now, I jumped the gun (not very funny, I know) on that one. This is my first analysis on a crime, and so I did misunderstand the first few paragraphs of the search warrant. I thought that they were listing the things that they took and not just what they'd take if they found it.

So, sorry for the confusion!

Jen, I had to puzzle over the whole thing for awhile too ... I thought for sure they got computer files and was bummed to see that they didn't.

 

[Jenifred]

There would definitely be an insurance policy. Janet worked for a large corporation that carried employee life insurance, which is on average 3 to 5x salary. Most provide additional accidental coverage of substantial amounts for significantly low dollar contributions. I've tried to get specifics on benefit info for her employer's policies, but could really only come up with the fact that these benefits are provided. It would be interesting to know 1) how much, and 2) when she became eligible for these policies in terms of when she was hired.

Would that be from the employer that she and Raven left? Do you get those benefits if you are dismissed?

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Jen, I had to puzzle over the whole thing for awhile too ... I thought for sure they got computer files and was bummed to see that they didn't.

And many of us thought for a while that a Palm Pilot was seized but it turned out only to be a Palm Pilot charger!

 

[Jenifred]

And many of us thought for a while that a Palm Pilot was seized but it turned out only to be a Palm Pilot charger!

Do they don't even have that? And he has said that he loves his gadgets! The more that I read about this the more I think that LE might be dropping the ball.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Do they don't even have that? And he has said that he loves his gadgets! The more that I read about this the more I think that LE might be dropping the ball.

No, no palm pilot was listed in the inventory. :waitasec:

 

[vero]

Your words made me think of something, although purely speculative as well. Maybe the person didn't have a change a clothes by the river at all. Could it possibly be that the person was smart enough to leave the clothes he/she was wearing by the river before the crime, commit the crime naked, and then return to clean the body/weapon and place the clothes back on. It would explain how Raven could have done it himself without much evidence finding it's way onto his clothing.

In the Elizabeth Montgomery movie about Lizzie Borden, that was presented as her MO.

It would have been way to chilly for me to do that, but then, I'm not the hardy, outdoors type! LOL.

 

[LvsAMystry]

Or if those policies carried over with COBRA from her previous employer. With a new baby I could see how she'd want to hang onto her old insurance until the new insurance kicked in.

No, life policies don't carry over with COBRA. Given their age, lack of home-ownership, money issues, and fact they had just had their first baby, I'd guess they didn't have any policies other than what was available through and employer, if it all. If there were any employer policies, though, it would have been with Janet's employer at the time of death, Martin Marrietta.

 

[LvsAMystry]

Would that be from the employer that she and Raven left? Do you get those benefits if you are dismissed?

No, Janet had a more recent employer at the time of her death. Martin Marrietta, although I've read conflicting information on when she started there.

I looked at their page on benefits offered, and life insurance is there, but it doesn't go into details on how soon an employee is eligible for this benefit. Often, it's 90 days, and if she did start working there in January as one account indicated, she would have been covered at some point in April. Hmmm.

Current employer benefit page

 

[LvsAMystry]

In the Elizabeth Montgomery movie about Lizzie Borden, that was presented as her MO.

It would have been way to chilly for me to do that, but then, I'm not the hardy, outdoors type! LOL.

Yep, you'd want to at least keep your underwear on. Makes you wonder since that was the one garment RA was missing on the night of the murder.