Prince Harry and Meghan Markle to marry in the spring

[dixiegirl1035]

http://people.com/royals/meghan-markles-father-undergo-heart-surgery-wont-attend-royal-wedding/amp/

Meghan Markle's Father to Undergo Heart Surgery, Won't Be Able to Attend Royal Wedding

Thomas Markle, Meghan’s father, told TMZ that he is set to undergo heart surgery at 7:30 a.m. on Wednesday, and will not be able to walk his daughter down the aisle at her wedding on Saturday.

“They [doctors] will go in and clear blockage, repair damage and put a stent where it is needed,” he said.

 

[Lilibet]

http://people.com/royals/meghan-markles-father-undergo-heart-surgery-wont-attend-royal-wedding/amp/

Meghan Markle's Father to Undergo Heart Surgery, Won't Be Able to Attend Royal Wedding

Thomas Markle, Meghan’s father, told TMZ that he is set to undergo heart surgery at 7:30 a.m. on Wednesday, and will not be able to walk his daughter down the aisle at her wedding on Saturday.

“They [doctors] will go in and clear blockage, repair damage and put a stent where it is needed,” he said.

I still don’t believe Thomas Sr is talking to TMZ. It’s either made up by TMZ or it’s Thomas Jr doing the talking/lying. I’m holding out for Dad to show up until I hear news from a reputable source not quoting TMZ.

 

[kay74]

That's how the tradition started. It was about transfer of ownership. Why do you think it's called giving away the bride?

Never heard that one before. Well nowdays that's not taken literally​. I love it when the father walks his daughter down the aisle.

 

[Amonet]

Learning moment again as to British terms :giggle:
Nous-
BRITISHinformal
common sense; practical intelligence.
"if he had any nous at all, he'd sell the movie rights"

And no, I didn't make up that sentence! It was part of the Google search for the definition! Lol

LOL that's great! I thought you had made it up!

BTW when I say nous, I say it to rhyme with mouse, with the soft 's'. It's one of my favourite words

 

[Lilibet]

I don't think they can do all those things to a private US citizen without his consent. He may not have agreed to any of that.

And the royal family are notoriously hostile to anyone giving interviews about them, trashy or not. The Queen Mother, along with the rest of the royals, famously disowned their faithful nanny who'd been with the family for generations and raised both the Queen and Princess Margaret because she gave a very harmless, non-controversial interview with a respectable newspaper. Their attitude hasn't changed any since, they like to be in control of their own press.

Look at the speed with which Diana was divorced after the Panorama interview. I think Megan's mother can expect a frosty reception.

BBM

OT: “Crawfie’s” book “The Little Princesses” was a favorite of mine when I was young. That’s where I learned that Lilibet” (my screen name) was the nickname given by Margaret who could not say “Elizabeth.”

https://www.amazon.com/Little-Princesses-Marion-Crawford/dp/0752849743

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marion_Crawford

 

[kay74]

That's how the tradition started. It was about transfer of ownership. Why do you think it's called giving away the bride?

Never heard of that. Nowdays that is not taken literally. I love it when the father brings the bride down the aisle,

 

[Hiandmighty]

It seems Mr. Markle’s son and daughter manipulate and play games and he gets in the middle of it. I wonder if he is an enabler with them?

 

[kay74]

This website does not work well with my computer. I put my reply through twice first time showed it didn't show up. Weird.

 

[human]

Also, quit talking about the wedding to anyone but Meghan and a liaison from Kensington Palace. Don't talk to any media, any papparazi, or even his own children who have already proven that they can't be trusted to act mature in this matter.

Plane tickets, suit, a hotel, or even a room in a royal-owned house in the country, should have been organised by Kensington Palace. Meghan's family aren't millionaires like other royalty or even Kate's family. I think they should have had him over here by now, shut in a country house and not allowed out without a protection officer who could steer him clear of photographers. They should have taken away his phone and had all calls through the house circuit so that callers could be screened, and they should have banned him from talking about all these things happening!

I'm not even comfortable with Meghan's mum talking to Oprah, though I do think Oprah probably has a bit more nous for how to do things in a less trashy way.

That makes sense. He could have relaxed, gone sightseeing and been refreshed at the time of the wedding. Long flight and time zone change takes awhile to recover. And certainly he would have to be at practices.

He could have had some chaperones to help him with anything.

 

[sorrell skye]

I am not understanding this wedding thing.

What is this father giving the daughter away all about? Seriously. Time to get rid of that crazy notion now,

I was married in 1973 and did not have that. What an archaic idea. The father owns the daughter or what is the meaning of that?

I also hate the bridal veil. So much like the burqa to me

I detest the tradition of the father "giving away" the bride to her husband - as in transferring property from one male to another.

Females are not chattel. If Megan Markle wishes to portray herself as a modern woman, she needs to shun this archaic patriarchal practice. Her father doesn't own her - nor does any other person.

Walking down the aisle solo could be an empowering experience for her. Goodness knows she needs to be as empowered as possible, marrying into that situation.

After all, how many years did Elizabeth I endure (and refuse) the demands of Parliament to marry (which is to say that she was under immense pressure to conform to patriarchal oppression)? Elizabeth I was a trailblazer to be sure.

I see no reason (royal protocol be damned) that Megan needs anyone to walk her down the aisle, let alone "give her away" as if she is an object.

Seriously folks, let's not continue to perpetuate "romantic" traditions just because we think that's how it's always been done. It's only done as long as we say it should be done.

I say it's beyond high time that women are no longer transferred as chattel from one male owner to the next.

If anyone could offer words of advice to Megan, I think they should say: This is your time. Don't be afraid to own it. Don't be afraid to buck 'tradition'. Tradition is whatever you decide it is for yourself - not what others insist it is.

I wish her happiness & success in her new life with her beloved Harry. May they both enjoy a blessed future.

 

[Sillybilly]

The Queen is not amused.

I think Her Majesty has a pretty good sense of humour

Pics of the Queen when she IS amused.

 

[Hazelnutty]

He's coming , He's not coming, He will, He won't, ALL DAY LONG.

Markle family better buckle up. And we should, too.

Can we get Sarah , Beatrice & Eugenie in on some Markle family interviews?



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[U2forever]

In case you haven't watched yet (I haven't):

Harry & Meghan: A Royal Romance (2018)

Tonight (Tuesday) on Lifetime 8:00PM

A film that chronicles the courtship and love story between Prince Harry and his fiancé, Meghan Markle.

I was thinking about maybe watching this but I don't have enough crackers to go with all the cheese for a Lifetime movie. :drumroll:

Too bad they cannot run away and elope, that's what we did and it was great along with no stress at all.

We wanted to be in our favourite place which is the mountains, so we found a quaint adorable & tiny chapel outside Asheville, NC in Maggie Valley.
I bought a bridesmaid dress, a blusher veil, organza shawl, headpiece of simple cream pearls and clear gems, ballerina slippers and already had a pearl necklace with 3 pearls of black, cream and blush.
DH wore a suit which cost more than my dress and I made my bouquet & Mark's boutonnière the night before in our hotel room using beautiful deep brick red Gerbera daisies I bought from a local market along with ribbon that matched my dress and his tie.
I even made a hair appt. in advance at a local salon which turned out very well and the wedding was not expensive at all.
This was DH first wedding so I wanted him to experience an almost traditional wedding and we will celebrate out 10th wedding anniversary this December.
I hope to get a cake this time.

I believe Meghans father will show up and it sure is creepy how the shallow slithering DM even has a timeline of his every move. It bothered me so much I had to stop reading it.
I really hope all this bridal hate will stop, it's so crazy and unnecessary. I don't know what their trying to accomplish and we all know how low the press can go, no respect or decency.

 

[animlzrule]

That's how the tradition started. It was about transfer of ownership. Why do you think it's called giving away the bride?

We got married in a church and were required to go in and meet with the pastor prior to the wedding for a little "counseling." Anyway, he detailed where each of the most widely recognized wedding traditions came from, such as the father "giving away the bride", and it was fascinating and horrifying all in one. The bridesmaids essentially kidnapped the bride and were charged with making sure she didn't run. The veil was to cover her face in case she was ugly, so she wasn't rejected at the alter. The father "giving the bride away" is a function of what was more traditionally considered part of a business transaction. He gave a family a daughter in exchange for material goods or money, and this was often arranged without the bride's consent, of course. Hence the veil, it prevented the groom from wrecking the transaction because he didn't like what he saw. The white gown was basically lingerie. Even the carpet had some kind of horrible misogynistic connotation that I can't remember now. He told us all of this because he did not use traditional vows and wanted us to see why. The traditional vows are full of misogynistic language and he said he does not support the notion that a man "takes" a bride, rather, we were two grown adults agreeing to enter into a union based on love, trust and respect. I really appreciated the talk and I wish I had gotten the name of the book he referenced which explains where our seemingly innocuous wedding traditions come from, because they are far from innocuous.

Anyway, I feel sorry for Meghan, and I hope she is in a little bubble and is avoiding the soap opera going on with her trashy family. I have a feeling she's being kept plenty busy with training to be a Royal 101, and particularly how to be a Royal bride. I'd say she appears to be a lovely, accomplished woman despite her family. Hopefully the royals will embrace her as family as well.

 

[Cappuccino]

We got married in a church and were required to go in and meet with the pastor prior to the wedding for a little "counseling." Anyway, he detailed where each of the most widely recognized wedding traditions came from, such as the father "giving away the bride", and it was fascinating and horrifying all in one. The bridesmaids essentially kidnapped the bride and were charged with making sure she didn't run. The veil was to cover her face in case she was ugly, so she wasn't rejected at the alter. The father "giving the bride away" is a function of what was more traditionally considered part of a business transaction. He gave a family a daughter in exchange for material goods or money, and this was often arranged without the bride's consent, of course. Hence the veil, it prevented the groom from wrecking the transaction because he didn't like what he saw. The white gown was basically lingerie. Even the carpet had some kind of horrible misogynistic connotation that I can't remember now. He told us all of this because he did not use traditional vows and wanted us to see why. The traditional vows are full of misogynistic language and he said he does not support the notion that a man "takes" a bride, rather, we were two grown adults agreeing to enter into a union based on love, trust and respect. I really appreciated the talk and I wish I had gotten the name of the book he referenced which explains where our seemingly innocuous wedding traditions come from, because they are far from innocuous.

Anyway, I feel sorry for Meghan, and I hope she is in a little bubble and is avoiding the soap opera going on with her trashy family. I have a feeling she's being kept plenty busy with training to be a Royal 101, and particularly how to be a Royal bride. I'd say she appears to be a lovely, accomplished woman despite her family. Hopefully the royals will embrace her as family as well.

That pastor seems to have told you some very strange things. The tradition of wearing white has nothing to do with lingerie, it came from the Victorian era - Queen Victoria wore white on her wedding day and started a trend, prior to that most brides wore red to symbolise fertility. The veil and the surrounding of the bride with bridesmaids are superstitious traditions, not misogynistic - they were supposed to protect the bride from being cursed by evil spirits on her wedding day. Consent has always been an essential part of a valid marriage in Christianity, although obviously a lot of women would have been pressurised into giving consent.

There's obviously a lot of wedding traditions that are sexist and backward looked at through modern eyes, but I think your pastor exaggerated.

 

[animlzrule]

That pastor seems to have told you some very strange things. The tradition of wearing white has nothing to do with lingerie, it came from the Victorian era - Queen Victoria wore white on her wedding day and started a trend, prior to that most brides wore red to symbolise fertility. The veil and the surrounding of the bride with bridesmaids are superstitious traditions, not misogynistic - they were supposed to protect the bride from being cursed by evil spirits on her wedding day. Consent has always been an essential part of a valid marriage in Christianity, although obviously a lot of women would have been pressurised into giving consent.

There's obviously a lot of wedding traditions that are sexist and backward looked at through modern eyes, but I think your pastor exaggerated.

No, these are traditions that far preceded the Victorian era and have been adopted by Christianity somewhat, but they didn't originate with Christianity or the Victorians. They've been evolving for millennia.

 

[human]

No, these are traditions that far preceded the Victorian era and have been adopted by Christianity somewhat, but they didn't originate with Christianity or the Victorians. They've been evolving for millennia.

Info on the veil. Centuries old.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veil

 

[human]

White has a long history

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_wedding

 

[Cappuccino]

No, these are traditions that far preceded the Victorian era and have been adopted by Christianity somewhat, but they didn't originate with Christianity or the Victorians. They've been evolving for millennia.

I think if we're going to reject traditions because they were misogynist in the ancient world we might as well reject everything. Democracy as practiced in the ancient world was misogynist too, not to mention that the society which spawned democracy also kept slaves. In the modern era - by which I mean the Renaissance onwards - none of those things like veiling, bridesmaids etc have been misogynist.

I do agree about the father giving the bride away though, that's definitely sexist.

 

[dotr]

I was thinking about maybe watching this but I don't have enough crackers to go with all the cheese for a Lifetime movie. :drumroll:

Too bad they cannot run away and elope, that's what we did and it was great along with no stress at all.

We wanted to be in our favourite place which is the mountains, so we found a quaint adorable & tiny chapel outside Asheville, NC in Maggie Valley.
I bought a bridesmaid dress, a blusher veil, organza shawl, headpiece of simple cream pearls and clear gems, ballerina slippers and already had a pearl necklace with 3 pearls of black, cream and blush.
DH wore a suit which cost more than my dress and I made my bouquet & Mark's boutonnière the night before in our hotel room using beautiful deep brick red Gerbera daisies I bought from a local market along with ribbon that matched my dress and his tie.
I even made a hair appt. in advance at a local salon which turned out very well and the wedding was not expensive at all.
This was DH first wedding so I wanted him to experience an almost traditional wedding and we will celebrate out 10th wedding anniversary this December.
I hope to get a cake this time.

I believe Meghans father will show up and it sure is creepy how the shallow slithering DM even has a timeline of his every move. It bothered me so much I had to stop reading it.
I really hope all this bridal hate will stop, it's so crazy and unnecessary. I don't know what their trying to accomplish and we all know how low the press can go, no respect or decency.

You look very beautiful, thanks for generously sharing your photos!