KY PROJECT KENTUCKY - Unidentified Persons Cold Cases

[MadMcGoo]

DBM duplicate post

 

[MadMcGoo]

About the human trafficking, I think you’re on to something there also. I spent a few years investigating sexual assaults and extortions within the prison system, and quite a few of these fit the victim profile for those types of things. The ones with a sexual assault component, obviously, but also some of the young Hispanic males. Then we’ve got Vivian Jacobs, a male dressed in women’s clothing...they could be isolated incidents but definitely things to keep in mind...

I’ve never really gone into the identified murder victims, but I could probably do a little looking around the newspapers and see if anything catches my eye.

In April 1989 and Jan 1990 we have two males found nude with hands cut off 150 miles apart. Both had gunshot wounds.

I submitted Steven Hafer right before I started all this, and if they end up being a match, I’d say the two deaths are unrelated. But that’s if Steven’s a match! I did quite a bit of research on him and it was a pretty compelling case... •Steven Allen Hafer 1989 Kentucky

Heck, even if it is a match they could still be connected!

 

[MadMcGoo]

Other than 2001 Simpson Jane, are there any others y’all have noticed that have had Isotope testing? Oh...and Mac’s, just indicates that he was likely born in the US...

 

[MadMcGoo]

These two peak my curiosity... 2012 cases
https://www.namus.gov/UnidentifiedPersons/Case#/10353
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
and
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

Circumstances of Recovery: Partial skeletal remains of at least two individuals found scattered near rural highway. DNA indicates that this individual is maternally related to NamUs UP10354

And they each have two rule outs; brothers from New Jersey. I haven’t spent much time in the newer cases, but I wonder what was going on here. And “at least two” individuals? PMI is only 0-3 years. Head/torso/1+ limbs were not recovered for both... were they dismembered and scattered? Or just scattered over time by scavengers?

 

[Kudzu]

Mad respect to all of you, particularly MMcG, for the outstanding research and work you’re doing on this focused project!

 

[MadMcGoo]

And then there’s these two...

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
and
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

May 2016 - Owensboro (had 2 dimes in his back pocket)
June 2016 - Lexington (had a dime in the palm of his hand?!)

the one in the palm of the hand is weird! I never thought much at all about Lime Lady and the dime in her case. Some theorized it had something to do with snitching and the correlation with the phrase “dropping dimes”... I think it was just a freak coincidence. Now, a dime found in the palm of a hand...different story, I could get onboard the snitch theory with that one.

(And I just now realized this part after reading this article again, concerning the Owensboro ‘2 dimes in back pocket’ Doe)

“Deputies say they are investigating Ipock’s [30 year old woman found in the Ohio River just a few days prior to our Doe’s] death, and that of the unidentified male, as homicides. They say the two deaths are connected. Detectives believe the unidentified man and Ipock knew each other. An autopsy revealed that Ipock’s body was mutilated and cut, but there’s still no word on who killed her.”

 

[MadMcGoo]

Mad respect to all of you, particularly MMcG, for the outstanding research and work you’re doing on this focused project!

THANK YOU KADZU!! I’m so thankful for everyone who has helped and got onboard with this!!

 

[MadMcGoo]

FYI: there is now a red cell in the top left corner of the spreadsheet (that my fat fingers can barely click on using my phone so it’s not the most convenient of places but it’s there ) containing all the links to the Maps and newspapers and ViCAP alerts. I added those because a lot of them contain the most details. I think I figured out how to link the Maps.... someone may want to verify

 

[ClaireNC]

These two peak my curiosity... 2012 cases
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
and
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

Circumstances of Recovery: Partial skeletal remains of at least two individuals found scattered near rural highway. DNA indicates that this individual is maternally related to NamUs UP10354

And they each have two rule outs; brothers from New Jersey. I haven’t spent much time in the newer cases, but I wonder what was going on here. And “at least two” individuals? PMI is only 0-3 years. Head/torso/1+ limbs were not recovered for both... were they dismembered and scattered? Or just scattered over time by scavengers?

I also just noticed those two and made a note to go back and see if there is more info. Same questions re: scattered vs dismembered.

 

[ClaireNC]

Been working on a map when I have time - completed up to 2015. This map is coded blue for males and red for females. If you click on the title for each person you should see the description, which was pasted from the spreadsheet. Hopefully, I'll finish it tomorrow.

Kentucky UID Project - Google My Maps

 

[MadMcGoo]

Been working on a map when I have time - completed up to 2015. This map is coded blue for males and red for females. If you click on the title for each person you should see the description, which was pasted from the spreadsheet. Hopefully, I'll finish it tomorrow.

Kentucky UID Project - Google My Maps

Awesome!!

 

[GJKJR]

Hmm, the Boone County, KY cluster that was discussed before is a bit more spread out now, as I finally found a newspaper article discussing 1982 Boone County Doe's discovery. She was discovered quite a distance downriver from where I initially placed her pin, near Belleview, KY.

This article also pegs her height at 5'1", as opposed to 5'5" on NamUs.

 

[MadMcGoo]

So, at first glance of one of the maps (I’ve been looking for matches to UP111 so haven’t looked at them in depth yet)... but I definitely see a pattern with the females. I-65 and I-75. Actually there’s a “triangle” of sorts.... if you zoom in you’ll see almost all the females are relatively close to those two interstates! I wonder how far the pattern may continue along those routes into surrounding states

I like the cause/manner or death being added too... I think for the most part it’s safe to say the majority of the females were murdered, except ‘78 Bowling Green who stepped in front of the truck. I don’t guess there’s a chance that wasn’t an intentional choice or accident?

 

[MadMcGoo]

Hmm, the Boone County, KY cluster that was discussed before is a bit more spread out now, as I finally found a newspaper article discussing 1982 Boone County Doe's discovery. She was discovered quite a distance downriver from where I initially placed her pin, near Belleview, KY.

This article also pegs her height at 5'1", as opposed to 5'5" on NamUs.

I hate when the articles have different stats than NamUs lol... I’ll put her as 5’1-5’5” for now...

On the locations, I initially had County - City, then I changed it to County - River/Lake, but that may not be helpful... how do you think’s best to enter that info? (OCD much? )

I’ll add that article to the others. I’ve got some with the date the article was published and others with the actual date of discovery, regardless of when the article was published. Ugh. I’m the queen of over complicating things, I swear lol

 

[GJKJR]

I hate when the articles have different stats than NamUs lol... I’ll put her as 5’1-5’5” for now...

On the locations, I initially had County - City, then I changed it to County - River/Lake, but that may not be helpful... how do you think’s best to enter that info? (OCD much? )

I’ll add that article to the others. I’ve got some with the date the article was published and others with the actual date of discovery, regardless of when the article was published. Ugh. I’m the queen of over complicating things, I swear lol

Personally, I like County - River/Lake, the only thing I would add is a (near ___) at the end.

e.g. Lyon County - Lake Barkley (near Eddyville, Kentucky)?

-

And I do see what you're saying about the I-65 and I-75 Does. As far as I can tell, 7 UIDs were found in the vicinity of I-65 (at least, the ones in NamUs), with 4 of them being female. All of the female I-65 UIDs were found along the stretch of I-65 that lies south of Cave City, KY.

With regard to I-75, I can see 2 female UIDs, both in the area of Crittenden, KY. I'm going to have to dig up more articles to try and see if any other UIDs were discovered along I-75 (there's 2 male
UIDs that were found in the Lexington area but there's no more specifics on NamUs).

Been working on a map when I have time - completed up to 2015. This map is coded blue for males and red for females. If you click on the title for each person you should see the description, which was pasted from the spreadsheet. Hopefully, I'll finish it tomorrow.

Kentucky UID Project - Google My Maps

This is looking really nice so far! I don't think I'd realized how many UIDs were located in Kentucky until looking at these cases a bit more.

 

[MadMcGoo]

The Doe Network: 1875UMKY
can anyone help verify the specific River? I think Cumberland but idk

The Doe Network: 931UFKY
And what city this is?

Eta:
The Doe Network: 933UFKY

Eta: what highway?!
1257UMKY

 

[GJKJR]

The Doe Network: 1875UMKY
can anyone help verify the specific River? I think Cumberland but idk

The Doe Network: 931UFKY
And what city this is?

I'm going to have to check 1875UMKY more closely, as I guessed the location discovered, so I cannot say for sure which river.
ETA: Got it! It's the Rockcastle River.

931UFKY, from the coordinates I inferred from the "490 mile marker of the Ohio River" detail, was found closest to the unincorporated community of Idlewild, KY. Other towns relatively close by are Petersburg, KY, Bullittsville, KY, Hebron, KY, and Francisville, KY.

 

[carbuff]

I did quite a bit of looking for 1875UMKY a while back and did not find precisely where he was found. There's quite a bit of whitewater around Somerset. It would be a good thing to ask Amy.

I did find this: Kentucky Department of Fish & Wildlife Welcome Kentucky website about all things outdoors. It might be a useful resource for research in a number of cases.

 

[ClaireNC]

Hmm, the Boone County, KY cluster that was discussed before is a bit more spread out now, as I finally found a newspaper article discussing 1982 Boone County Doe's discovery. She was discovered quite a distance downriver from where I initially placed her pin, near Belleview, KY.

This article also pegs her height at 5'1", as opposed to 5'5" on NamUs.

I moved her down closer to Belleview on the map.

 

[ClaireNC]

I'm going to have to check 1875UMKY more closely, as I guessed the location discovered, so I cannot say for sure which river.
ETA: Got it! It's the Rockcastle River.

931UFKY, from the coordinates I inferred from the "490 mile marker of the Ohio River" detail, was found closest to the unincorporated community of Idlewild, KY. Other towns relatively close by are Petersburg, KY, Bullittsville, KY, Hebron, KY, and Francisville, KY.

Are you updating your map with these new coordinates?