KY PROJECT KENTUCKY - Unidentified Persons Cold Cases

[GJKJR]

Are you updating your map with these new coordinates?

Yes, I'm trying to update the rough initial coordinates I had as I find out more accurate information. I have a Newspapers.com free trial now, so hopefully I can get all of these rough initial coordinates smoothed out to make an accurate map.

 

[GJKJR]

Eta:
The Doe Network: 933UFKY

Eta: what highway?!
1257UMKY

933UFKY was found closest to the communities of Lucas, KY, Haywood, KY, Austin, KY, and Tracy, KY. Map attached.

1257UMKY is a bit harder to determine. But I found some newspaper articles from the time of discovery that mentioned that the remains were found near the Wolfe County-Breathitt County border. From this, it seems most likely to me that the highway being mentioned is Kentucky Route 15. Then again, I'm confused because NamUs lists discovery as January 27, 1979 (a Saturday?) while the newspaper lists the remains as having been discovered on Sunday, January 28, 1979?

 

[carbuff]

I'm going to have to check 1875UMKY more closely, as I guessed the location discovered, so I cannot say for sure which river.
ETA: Got it! It's the Rockcastle River.

931UFKY, from the coordinates I inferred from the "490 mile marker of the Ohio River" detail, was found closest to the unincorporated community of Idlewild, KY. Other towns relatively close by are Petersburg, KY, Bullittsville, KY, Hebron, KY, and Francisville, KY.

Nice going!

 

[MadMcGoo]

According to the article that lists UID up to 1997 he was found “Near old Lexington Highway”... I just went with Hwy15. I think that works. ETA: no I didn’t, I changed it to Old Lexington Hwy 15 the struggle’s real y’all!

I’m going to go with what the newspaper says, I think that’s one I may have found that actually published an article close to when he was discovered. Don’t quote me on that tho

I have tried adding in the exact days to the spreadsheet, but i can’t figure out how to format the cells, it auto generates everything to the 1st (1979 - January 1 ... I lost patience with it) And I’ve fixed the locations, hopefully that’s better (which I’m sure would have helped more before the maps were complete )

“ML” is McAlpine Locks btw, it seems to be common.

Some of the UID listed on that article I first referred to...I’m really not sure that the ones we don’t have listed, have actually been identified! I noticed another one that isn’t on our list, that had his hands removed?! If anyone wants to volunteer to check that out. That info may can be found here on WS? Another one of my not-so-strong suits...

Just saw your edit! Awesome! I’m going through the spreadsheet and putting more accurate locations in also... I’m so sorry!! I should have done that to begin with!

 

[MadMcGoo]

I did quite a bit of looking for 1875UMKY a while back and did not find precisely where he was found. There's quite a bit of whitewater around Somerset. It would be a good thing to ask Amy.

I did find this: Kentucky Department of Fish & Wildlife Welcome Kentucky website about all things outdoors. It might be a useful resource for research in a number of cases.

Nice! Added it to the “red button o’resources” on the spreadsheet lol

 

[MadMcGoo]

I messed up on a few dates... I’m highlighting in lime green! Y’all may have caught it when doing the maps, if not, I’m sorry! Let me know when y’all don’t need them highlighted anymore! (I’ll probably do that from now on, if I find a huge error, just make the cell lime, the bright yellow are for Madame Amy )

 

[MadMcGoo]

Here’s one that lists a NamUs #, but I’m guessing it was unpublished?? It isn’t coming up for me...I tried changing the UP to MP just to make sure, but it’s not there...
LMPD Report Number 80-16-061570 | Louisville Metro PD, KY

 

[MadMcGoo]

Why can’t I figure this out?! (rhetorically speaking)
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
And
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

Is they is or is they ain’t the same person?

 

[Giuc0]

@MadMcGoo I am currently unable to help you right now. I've just lost my cat, who was a young cat, from incurable cancer.

I'll be back when I'm getting better.

 

[ClaireNC]

Why can’t I figure this out?! (rhetorically speaking)
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
And
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

Is they is or is they ain’t the same person?

It is the same person. See note on the Doe Network file: NamUs Case Number: UP #93 Former Hot Case Number: 1535
1871UMKY

The Namus case file 1535 has been reassigned to a case in NJ. According to Doe Network it is now combined into UP93. So they are 1 case, however, NamUs needs to be updated with the additional details.

From the spreadsheet:
UP1535? 1985 - December Pulaski - Somerset - Lake Cumberland Black/Mixed M 35-45 — — — — 0-10 years GSW to head, buried along cliff line of Cumberland Lake across from Lee’s Ford Marina Resort 12/19/85

^UP93? 1986 - January Pulaski - Somerset Uncertain M 35-45 5'2" — — — 0-15 years Bones found in 1986 & initially presumed to be historic. Cold case revision in 2004. EYD 1970-1986

 

[carbuff]

Here’s one that lists a NamUs #, but I’m guessing it was unpublished?? It isn’t coming up for me...I tried changing the UP to MP just to make sure, but it’s not there...
LMPD Report Number 80-16-061570 | Louisville Metro PD, KY

I would query that one to Amy--he's definitely not showing up. Could be unpublished, or more likely resolved and not updated on the LMPD website.

 

[carbuff]

@MadMcGoo I am currently unable to help you right now. I've just lost my cat, who was a young cat, from incurable cancer.

I'll be back when I'm getting better.

Aw hugs, and condolences.

 

[GJKJR]

@MadMcGoo I am currently unable to help you right now. I've just lost my cat, who was a young cat, from incurable cancer.

I'll be back when I'm getting better.

I'm sorry. Take all the time you need, of course.

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These two peak my curiosity... 2012 cases
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
and
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

Circumstances of Recovery: Partial skeletal remains of at least two individuals found scattered near rural highway. DNA indicates that this individual is maternally related to NamUs UP10354

And they each have two rule outs; brothers from New Jersey. I haven’t spent much time in the newer cases, but I wonder what was going on here. And “at least two” individuals? PMI is only 0-3 years. Head/torso/1+ limbs were not recovered for both... were they dismembered and scattered? Or just scattered over time by scavengers?

This case confuses me. I was looking through newspaper archives, and I found an article that gave more specifics on the location (in a culvert along Delaney Road, near Ewing, KY). Though, it just confused me more because of the two sets of remains, the first one, UP10353 (April 27, 2012), was listed as being a Hispanic male with a stature of around 5'5", which isn't far off from NamUs' details.

Then, we get to UP10354 (April 30, 2012), and it says this: "The other set of remains [UP10354] found over the last week [April 30, 2012] belonged to a Hispanic female between 17-25 years of age, 5' tall or less." NamUs lists UP10354 as being a Hispanic male, but of the same age range. So, did they re-examine the body and come to a different conclusion? Was information put in wrong?? I might just peg UP10354 as "undetermined" on my map because of this. Weird.

 

[MadMcGoo]

@MadMcGoo I am currently unable to help you right now. I've just lost my cat, who was a young cat, from incurable cancer.

I'll be back when I'm getting better.

I’m so sorry! I know how hard that can be! Get better, we will be here when you’re ready! :hugs:

It is the same person. See note on the Doe Network file: NamUs Case Number: UP #93 Former Hot Case Number: 1535
1871UMKY

The Namus case file 1535 has been reassigned to a case in NJ. According to Doe Network it is now combined into UP93. So they are 1 case, however, NamUs needs to be updated with the additional details.

From the spreadsheet:
UP1535? 1985 - December Pulaski - Somerset - Lake Cumberland Black/Mixed M 35-45 — — — — 0-10 years GSW to head, buried along cliff line of Cumberland Lake across from Lee’s Ford Marina Resort 12/19/85

^UP93? 1986 - January Pulaski - Somerset Uncertain M 35-45 5'2" — — — 0-15 years Bones found in 1986 & initially presumed to be historic. Cold case revision in 2004. EYD 1970-1986

Thank you! I don’t guess I’d seen that note...or I had become so confused by that point. So, I’ll merge those two!

I would query that one to Amy--he's definitely not showing up. Could be unpublished, or more likely resolved and not updated on the LMPD website.

The more I got to looking, the more I thought it probably had been resolved. But I’ve highlighted in order to refer that to Madame Amy!

There are a few (mostly new) cases that I’ve got bolded (those are just ones that don’t have a Websleuths thread) and a few that I entered simply because I came across a newspaper article and wanted to kind of put a place holder there in case I found more info on it. As you can see, I didn’t find anymore info and the ones that don’t have threads, like the “stolen skeletal antiquities” the woman lied about her dog digging up (wtf?! To each his own I guess) what do y’all want to do with those? Hide them completely?

I’ll probably end up creating additional sheets, or tabs, to separate male, female, partial/skeletal remains... but I didn’t want to completely remove some like these in case it helps with finding patterns. (Like the handful of infants found within that short timeframe) I guess having some of them bolded is just messing with my OCD, but a lot of those I don’t think would even benefit from having a thread here. (The humorus...humorous...single bone, found on cemetery grounds for example) I just hate removing them in case one of us can make a connection to someone or another set of partial remains...

I guess I just need to get started on creating a separate sheet for them in addition to the comprehensive main sheet.

 

[MadMcGoo]

I'm sorry. Take all the time you need, of course.

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This case confuses me. I was looking through newspaper archives, and I found an article that gave more specifics on the location (in a culvert along Delaney Road, near Ewing, KY). Though, it just confused me more because of the two sets of remains, the first one, UP10353 (April 27, 2012), was listed as being a Hispanic male with a stature of around 5'5", which isn't far off from NamUs' details.

Then, we get to UP10354 (April 30, 2012), and it says this: "The other set of remains [UP10354] found over the last week [April 30, 2012] belonged to a Hispanic female between 17-25 years of age, 5' tall or less." NamUs lists UP10354 as being a Hispanic male, but of the same age range. So, did they re-examine the body and come to a different conclusion? Was information put in wrong?? I might just peg UP10354 as "undetermined" on my map because of this. Weird.

See! I’m just as confused. I’m thinking there may have been more remains than could belong to only two people. But how?! This would be something like we frequently see in TX, a small group of illegal immigrants (I hate that term, even though I think it’s the politically correct one) who got stranded or ran into trouble somewhere near the border, and whose remains were later located. But I’m having a hard time of coming up with a possible scenario for this case! (Gonna highlight that to bring to Amy’s attention)

ETA: are any of the map makers still needing those dates highlighted that I went in and corrected on the sheet? If not, I’ll remove the lime green! lol

 

[ClaireNC]

See! I’m just as confused. I’m thinking there may have been more remains than could belong to only two people. But how?! This would be something like we frequently see in TX, a small group of illegal immigrants (I hate that term, even though I think it’s the politically correct one) who got stranded or ran into trouble somewhere near the border, and whose remains were later located. But I’m having a hard time of coming up with a possible scenario for this case! (Gonna highlight that to bring to Amy’s attention)

ETA: are any of the map makers still needing those dates highlighted that I went in and corrected on the sheet? If not, I’ll remove the lime green! lol

Please keep using the lime green for any changes, so we can go back and adjust the maps. GJKJR and I are trying to combine into one map.

I just use the word immigrants, no reason to denote "illegal". In the cases of groups of Hispanic UID's, it could be related to illegal immigration or it could be cartel/drug/gang related. I believe that there was a infiltration of cartels into the middle of the US related to drugs and human trafficking at some point in the last 20 years. Vaguely remember this from some Ohio cases I worked on. Want to explore further at some point.

 

[ClaireNC]

I think this one on the spreadsheet was probably resolved.
Not Listed 2016 - October Fayette - Lexington - Kentucky River Skeletal remains U — — — — — — Car in bottom of Kentucky River

According to this article: New Information On Human Remains Found In Kentucky River They had a pretty good idea who it was. Probably found license plate/id in the car and just needed to verify through DNA. I think this one was in NamUS at one time, based on this last sentence:

"Ginn said that the right femur was consistent with a female. He has an idea that the remains could belong to an out-of-state person but says that is as far as he’ll elaborate.

He said that previous DNA tests have not found any matches, but Ginn hopes that a private laboratory with advanced DNA techniques can go deep enough to match the specimens to the person’s distant relatives.

“I’d ask it be specifically tested between the person we think it is, the DNA we have on sample, and the DNA from Namus from our bone structures that we found, and hopefully we’d come up with a match,” said Ginn."

 

[MadMcGoo]

Yah, I believe that’s the Virginia group who disappeared along with their vehicle...it seemed to be somewhat up in the air, but I think for our intents and purposes, an “ID” can be added to that one...

I’ll keep doing the green, I’m making notes in the red button cell at the top of when/what the green changes are being made but can probably added a note to the actual cell, and when y’all are done, just “resolve” it? I’m willing to add y’all as “editors” also, just PM me and email to add. Same thing with anyone wanting to contribute to the newspaper document... anything, really! Whatever makes it seamless for us

 

[MadMcGoo]

New LE page for UID: Pulaski County Sheriff's Department - Unidentifed Human Remains

Y’all see this??!

ETA: is it new, or just new to me?

 

[ClaireNC]

I think I have the map complete with everyone on the spreadsheet. Will go back through and make the changes you've highlighted in lime green now.
Kentucky UID Project - Google My Maps