Q241-liquid from the car

[TakeNote]

Wow! So there was urine in the bottle in addition to the chemicals or was there NO urine in the bottle? Has that been decided/proven from the docs? Awesome-I always know I can count on you guys to clear up all my musings about this urine smelling substance...

from the other thread on chloroform

posted from JWG

The smell of urine in the Crystal Light bottle

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Prior to testing, the FBI analyst noted that the contents of the Crystal Light bottle smelled of urine (page 11512). Because it might have been urine, the question was asked of SA Savage 1) from where did the contents originate and 2) did they wish to have it tested for DNA and toxicology.

When I first read the communication log I thought that meant the substance was not tested. However, it was tested - chemically analyzed - and determined not to be urine. Therefore, DNA testing was never ordered.

Why did the FBI analyst note that the substance smelled like urine? Because two chemicals found in the substance produce odors that can be mistaken for urine:

Trimethylamine - the source of the "ammonia" smell.
Dimethyl disulfide - the source of the underlying "sulfur" / "rotten egg" smell.

But rest assured, there was no urine in that sample.

i think this means there was no urine in the bottle only smelled like it.... :banghead:

 

[Crabcake23]

Or, the urine could have been for someone to fake a urine analysis for drugs. Either it was Casey's or for Casey.

Good idea, but remember, she wasn't applying for jobs and wasn't on probation, so no need to have a drug test.

 

[IRule254]

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/11988-12070.pdf

Pg 12011
Q81 Vial with liquid which was collected from a crystal light bottle from within the trashbag in the trunk.

Perhaps she had saved her first mornings urine for a preg test and that was all she had to collect the urine.

 

[belle3]

is it possible that whats in that bottle is just cleaning stuff she stole from her parents house to help clean the mess. i mean if shell steal gas why wouldnt she take cleaning fluids too. she mightve taken it from tonys house. just poured it into whtever empty containers they had in the trash. idk, is that way too simple?

 

[Valhall]

Gotta love a gal who has bunches of lab geeks and chem dudes in her social circle!

As to the above bolded info, could the cleaning solvent, or whatever this stuff is, have been used in George's sprayer that was taken into evidence??

CW...I learned a long time ago - a girl's only as good as her reference library! lol

I followed up with the forensics dude and asked if he saw any pesticides in the crystal lite bottle. This is what he said:

I don't recognize any pesticides, dms is a solvent, and you have several others that are strong degreasers, then several alcohols and ketones, all of which are pretty good solvents.

(dms = dimethyl sulfide)

 

[RR0004]

CW...I learned a long time ago - a girl's only as good as her reference library! lol

I followed up with the forensics dude and asked if he saw any pesticides in the crystal lite bottle. This is what he said:

I don't recognize any pesticides, dms is a solvent, and you have several others that are strong degreasers, then several alcohols and ketones, all of which are pretty good solvents.

(dms = dimethyl sulfide)

So she was attempting to clean the trunk...as JWG and others suggested?

 

[Valhall]

So she was attempting to clean the trunk...as JWG and others suggested?

Well, it's the obvious conclusion to draw. But there's a kink in the works:

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/forensicreportcayle.pdf

Chemical analysis of the 6 pieces of trunk linker, page 14...

Chloroform is detected on all 6 pieces and then it states,

No additional chemicals (e.g. acetone or alcohols) were identified within the examined specimens.

This would point to the answer being NO. But not only that, this would back up CA's claim she didn't use cleaners in the trunk, she just sprayed everything with Febreeze.

 

[ClockWatcher]

CW...I learned a long time ago - a girl's only as good as her reference library! lol

I followed up with the forensics dude and asked if he saw any pesticides in the crystal lite bottle. This is what he said:

I don't recognize any pesticides, dms is a solvent, and you have several others that are strong degreasers, then several alcohols and ketones, all of which are pretty good solvents.

(dms = dimethyl sulfide)

Hmmmm......Scenario: Anthony Garage for decomp cleaning.

Casey leaves Tony's apt with trash bag intending to chuck it in dumpster. Receives phone or text diversion and forgets to put it in the dumpster. Drive's to Anthony home to clean trunk.

Uses napkin's to wipe up residue. She can't leave those stinky napkin's in Anthony trash, so she put's them in the bag from Tony's.

She peruses George's stash of cleaning supplies. Behold! Industrial strength cleaner; solvent/degreaser, PERFECT! She mixes up some cleaner to spray in trunk. Spray, spray, spray. Bissel carpet cleaner that mess up, air dry for a while, then vacuum. Dump contents of Bissel in back yard. Mix a little more cleaner to take with her if trunk smells later. Carry cleaner in Crystal Lite bottle.

Place trash bag back in car to dispose of later. Have nice smelling cleaner to dump in trunk if smell get's more noticeable.

Later, ewww... smelly smell is smelly. Pour contents of bottle into trunk, let soak. Oh, hey, I forgot to dump the trash, shove's bottle in trash bag intending to dump, immediately forgets, again.

Car get's towed, the rest is history.

My version of the way it went.

 

[Harmony 2]

Well, it's the obvious conclusion to draw. But there's a kink in the works:

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/forensicreportcayle.pdf

Chemical analysis of the 6 pieces of trunk linker, page 14...

Chloroform is detected on all 6 pieces and then it states,



This would point to the answer being NO. But not only that, this would back up CA's claim she didn't use cleaners in the trunk, she just sprayed everything with Febreeze.

Thank you Valhall... that is what I was trying to find out because I had seen that and thought maybe I had missed something.

 

[ClockWatcher]

Well, it's the obvious conclusion to draw. But there's a kink in the works:

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/forensicreportcayle.pdf

Chemical analysis of the 6 pieces of trunk linker, page 14...

Chloroform is detected on all 6 pieces and then it states,



This would point to the answer being NO. But not only that, this would back up CA's claim she didn't use cleaners in the trunk, she just sprayed everything with Febreeze.

Well, that just shot my scenario down the drain.

 

[treeseeker]

Based on odor, color, I wondered if this stuff in the Crystal Light bottle was carburetor cleaner. Since most brands of carb cleaner appear to contain naptha, probably not. Even if it had evaporated, there would be residues, I'd think. But in the process, I found a great link for research:

http://householdproducts.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/household/prodtree?prodcat=Pesticides

 

[magic-cat]

So is it a decided fact that there is NO WAY that what was in the Crystal Light bottle was snuff spit? YUCKY to think about, but is that a for certain fact that is NOT what we have here?

 

[Valhall]

Some one asked about the can of shoe cleaner in the trash can. It's KIWI Sport Fast-Acting cleaner

http://www.kiwicare.com/US/Products/Sport/

Here is the MSDS:

http://saralee.chemtel.net/msds/Kiwi Sport Fast-Acting Cleaner.pdf

 

[lizzysf]

What results were released so far on the paper towels in the bag, besides the entomology findings? I don't remember reading anything else about them.. anyone know?

 

[JWG]

My money :twocents: is on KC filling the empty Crystal Light bottle in the same location she takes it from. IOW, it would require more planning than necessary for her to take the bottle from one location and drive it to another to fill it. Instead, I see her grabbing an available empty at the point of cleaning supply availability. :idea:

With that said, from the audio of Tony's September 8 interview (released in the April 6 document dump) at 45:53, Yuri asks Tony if anyone in the apartment drinks Crystal Light and he says Cameron drinks it. Thus, I think it is more probable than not that the cleaning supplies came from Tony's apartment. :thumb:

The way I think it played out is sometime between the 24rd (after George nearly discovered that the car had an odor problem :yuck and the 27th (when the car was abandoned), KC poured some cleaner into the Crystal Light bottle to either make it more portable or to avoid questions about what she is doing with the cleaner :yow:...grabbed some napkins or paper towels...and went out to clean the trunk. She started by using some of the papers to dab at the stain, then poured the solution from the Crystal Light container onto the stain and dabbed at that.

When she was done, she had a pile of wet papers and a near-empty bottle of liquid, so she went back in, grabbed the trash, brought it out and filled it with the cleaning materials. The bag was stuffed in the trunk to either take to the dumpster later or - more likely - to use as an odor alibi. :whistle:

FYI...Clint is the source of the fast-acting sneaker cleaner. Tony is the source of the Arm & Hammer detergent. Nate is the source of the chewing tobacco. :eat:

 

[Gypsy Road]

Didn't someone in the Anthony household (most likely Casey) google household weapons & cleaning products? Someone upthread mentioned that maybe Casey poured cleaning products into the plastic bottle so she could take it and use it to clean her trunk. I can't see Casey pouring cleaning fluids into another bottle. She has no problem just taking stuff from people so I would assume she would just take the ENTIRE bottle with her.

 

[lizzysf]

My money :twocents: is on KC filling the empty Crystal Light bottle in the same location she takes it from. IOW, it would require more planning than necessary for her to take the bottle from one location and drive it to another to fill it. Instead, I see her grabbing an available empty at the point of cleaning supply availability. :idea:

With that said, from the audio of Tony's September 8 interview (released in the April 6 document dump) at 45:53, Yuri asks Tony if anyone in the apartment drinks Crystal Light and he says Cameron drinks it. Thus, I think it is more probable than not that the cleaning supplies came from Tony's apartment. :thumb:

The way I think it played out is sometime between the 24rd (after George nearly discovered that the car had an odor problem :yuck and the 27th (when the car was abandoned), KC poured some cleaner into the Crystal Light bottle to either make it more portable or to avoid questions about what she is doing with the cleaner :yow:...grabbed some napkins or paper towels...and went out to clean the trunk. She started by using some of the papers to dab at the stain, then poured the solution from the Crystal Light container onto the stain and dabbed at that.

When she was done, she had a pile of wet papers and a near-empty bottle of liquid, so she went back in, grabbed the trash, brought it out and filled it with the cleaning materials. The bag was stuffed in the trunk to either take to the dumpster later or - more likely - to use as an odor alibi. :whistle:

FYI...Clint is the source of the fast-acting sneaker cleaner. Tony is the source of the Arm & Hammer detergent. Nate is the source of the chewing tobacco. :eat:

Yup.. date of dump is the 24th or the 27th (i lean heavily to the 24th) for lots of reasons I found. Pings say she was at TL's all day on the 25th and 26th (except 1 hr of nearby travel..not at the A's at all on the 25th or 26th) She went home again on the 27th... dumps car at Amscot after and Tony picks her up at 1 PM. I doubt she cleaned it at the A's..why would she put the solution in a bottle to do it there? She could have cleaned it elsewhere that day...but did she already have Tony's trashbag in her trunk? No way she would have thought of that..she would have taken a clean bag from the A's or Tony's in pre-planning, but she would hastily grab his trash (while cleaning it at his house) if not pre-planned. The 25th and 26th ruled out by pings, leaves the 24th or 27th. I believe she took the cleaning solution on the 24th (and the laundry bag)...dumped the body, and cleaned the trunk at Tony's when he wasn't home, and took his garbage bag out to load the trash/paper towels/crystal light bottle into.

 

[JWG]

Yup.. date of dump is the 24th or the 27th (i lean heavily to the 24th) for lots of reasons I found. Pings say she was at TL's all day on the 25th and 26th (except 1 hr of nearby travel..not at the A's at all on the 25th or 26th) She went home again on the 27th... dumps car at Amscot after and Tony picks her up at 1 PM. I doubt she cleaned it at the A's..why would she put the solution in a bottle to do it there? She could have cleaned it elsewhere that day...but did she already have Tony's trashbag in her trunk? No way she would have thought of that..she would have taken a clean bag from the A's or Tony's in pre-planning, but she would hastily grab his trash (while cleaning it at his house) if not pre-planned. The 25th and 26th ruled out by pings, leaves the 24th or 27th. I believe she took the cleaning solution on the 24th (and the laundry bag)...dumped the body, and cleaned the trunk at Tony's when he wasn't home, and took his garbage bag out to load the trash/paper towels/crystal light bottle into.

As an FYI Lizzie, I think the date of the dump was the 20th. I believe she was backing into the garage because the body was in the trunk, and after the 20th there was no need.

I posted [ame="http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3715399&postcount=465"]here[/ame] some time ago my theory on how the smell progressed.

 

[lizzysf]

As an FYI Lizzie, I think the date of the dump was the 20th. I believe she was backing into the garage because the body was in the trunk, and after the 20th there was no need.

I posted here some time ago my theory on how the smell progressed.

Do you know the date on the receipt found in the trashbag? Was it ever mentioned?
I misinterpreted your post.. I thought you were saying you thought the body was also disposed between the 24th and 27th..sorry! I believe it was the 24th.

 

[JWG]

Do you know the date on the receipt found in the trashbag? Was it ever mentioned?

IIRC, it was a May 24 receipt from Fusian.