Question

[why_nutt]

Remember the photo of Christmas morning, with Patsy sitting there watching the kids openning their presents? Notice how Patsy didn't have any makup on in that photo.
So on a morning that she knows photos are going to be taken she doesn't take the time to "of course" put her makeup on--but on a morning when she doesn't have to even think about how she looks until after coffee, breakfast, whatever...she gets all dolled up.

That makes no sense at all.

Patsy apparently had no need to impress her friend Linda McLean, as Linda was able to take a picture of Patsy sans makeup and in her bathrobe when Patsy stayed at her house and was snapped buying some baseball cards from Linda's son:

http://s92053900.onlinehome.us/patsy_morn.jpg

 

[Toth]

I have no idea what makeup has to do with anything.
I can't tell from the photo whether there is make up or not.
I would certainly expect a Christmas 'photo session' to be more formal than a 'kitchen table' in a friends home looking at baseball cards.
As for routines: how many posters vary their daily routines from time to time and vary such things as make-up if they are females or shaving if they are males.

 

[BlueCrab]

I have no idea what makeup has to do with anything.

One female plus one makeup table = TIME.

The Ramseys crawled out of bed a lot earlier than 5:30 A.M. if they had to be at the airport by 6:30.

JMO

 

[Imon128]

I have no idea what makeup has to do with anything.
I can't tell from the photo whether there is make up or not.
I would certainly expect a Christmas 'photo session' to be more formal than a 'kitchen table' in a friends home looking at baseball cards.
As for routines: how many posters vary their daily routines from time to time and vary such things as make-up if they are females or shaving if they are males.

Was applying that makeup more important than bathing her children and feeding them?

 

[why_nutt]

Was applying that makeup more important than bathing her children and feeding them?

The evidence is plain that that was true. Patsy made more of a priority of applying her makeup, and let us not forget getting herself coffee, than feeding her children a healthy breakfast with which they would face the next six hours. As testified to in the NE transcripts, what was Patsy going to let her children stave off hunger pangs with from the time they woke up until noon? Pop Tarts. Nothing like sugar and pure empty calories first thing in the morning to help a six-year-old child avoid further doctor visits and provide enough fuel to energize them for a thirteen hundred mile trip, right?

 

[Maxi]

Patsy justified her early morning makeup by saying her mother had taught her to always be fully dressed (including makeup) before leaving the house. Since she anticipated leaving for the plane, that's why she bothered with her makeup.

If that's true, I don't think it terribly strange that she'd put on her makeup before waking the kids. Once the kids were up, she'd have no time for herself.

 

[Imon128]

Also, did Patsy wake up with an epiphany that her shower was broken? If she knew ahead of time that her shower was broken, in affixing a time to 'get up' or set the alarm, wouldn't she have thought, 'well, I better get up at X time, because I need to get myself and the kids bathed and fed'????

 

[why_nutt]

Patsy justified her early morning makeup by saying her mother had taught her to always be fully dressed (including makeup) before leaving the house. Since she anticipated leaving for the plane, that's why she bothered with her makeup.

If that's true, I don't think it terribly strange that she'd put on her makeup before waking the kids. Once the kids were up, she'd have no time for herself.

Susan Stine, though, in JONBENET'S MOTHER, said she had seen Patsy without makeup in the outside world, and everyone else in the book has been as one voice in saying that Patsy did not have a vain bone in her body, going so far as to note that she often went without her wigs when she was bald from chemo. So who is right: Is Patsy vain, showing how little her supposed friends knew her, or are her friends right, and Patsy lied to explain why she had to look the very opposite of a woman who had just killed her daughter?

 

[Toth]

and let us not forget getting herself coffee

The people at Starbucks would certainly agree with you.

 

[Imon128]

Even the folks at Starbucks might have been kind enough to russle up a little grub for the kids, though, while they were in the kitchen.

Edited to add that why_nutt and I must have posted right about the same time, LOL

 

[why_nutt]

Even the folks at Starbucks might have been kind enough to russle up a little grub for the kids, though, while they were in the kitchen.

Tangential it is, but I note that I subscribe to several mailing lists devoted to the stories of people who work in retail environments, and it is heartbreaking sometimes to see how much child neglect they are in a position to witness, as selfish parents devote their attentions to getting their latte served up just right while their children go neglected and put themselves at risk of harm or even death.

 

[LovelyPigeon]

Charlie, I'm sure PR is not now, and never has been, male.

The unidentified DNA is from a male.

 

[why_nutt]

Charlie, I'm sure PR is not now, and never has been, male.

The unidentified DNA is from a male.

More accurately, a male marker (not one of the preferred 13 core markers, more the equivalent of a 14th) was found. But given the lack of certainty about whether the non-JonBenet markers belong to one person or more than one, there is a possibility that the solo male DNA marker was left, but the other markers identified belong to a woman.

You walk into a hotel room. You see a jockstrap, and a generic t-shirt and blue jeans. Who occupies the hotel room? A man who left behind a jockstrap, jeans and a t-shirt? A man who left behind a jockstrap and a woman who left behind jeans and a t-shirt? A man who left behind a jockstrap and jeans, and a woman who left behind a t-shirt? A man who left behind a jockstrap and a t-shirt and a woman who left behind jeans? A man who left behind a jockstrap, another man who left behind jeans and a t-shirt? A man who left behind a jockstrap, another man who left behind jeans, and a third man who left behind a t-shirt?

 

[Toth]

This strikes you as the type of crime an intruder would have to recruit an accomplice for???

HOW would two separate perpetrators EACH be foolish enough to leave their dna at the crime scene? Each got scratched? Each handled the panties?

 

[Imon128]

This strikes you as the type of crime an intruder would have to recruit an accomplice for???

HOW would two separate perpetrators EACH be foolish enough to leave their dna at the crime scene? Each got scratched? Each handled the panties?

Gee, that's not how I comprehended why_nutt's post at all, but maybe you're not posting about that one?

 

[Charlie]

I'll add 2 more official sources that say the male DNA found on JonBenét is not Ramsey: Federal Judge Julie Carnes and current Boulder County District Attorney Mary Keenan.

Charlie, I'm sure PR is not now, and never has been, male.

The unidentified DNA is from a male.

Again you have missed the point i was attempting to make.
Have you ever considered that the sources you states above (that said the male DNA found on Jonbenet was not Ramsey) could actually be saying the DNA wasn't from the Ramsey line.

More accurately, a male marker (not one of the preferred 13 core markers, more the equivalent of a 14th) was found. But given the lack of certainty about whether the non-JonBenet markers belong to one person or more than one, there is a possibility that the solo male DNA marker was left, but the other markers identified belong to a woman.

And from what Why-Nutt explains above the DNA could infact be Patsy's as Patsy is only a Ramsey through marriage.

 

[BlueCrab]

Patsy justified her early morning makeup by saying her mother had taught her to always be fully dressed (including makeup) before leaving the house. Since she anticipated leaving for the plane, that's why she bothered with her makeup.

If that's true, I don't think it terribly strange that she'd put on her makeup before waking the kids. Once the kids were up, she'd have no time for herself.

Kids don't wake up easily. You gotta wake em up, walk away, come back and wake em up again, and perhaps repeat that routine several more times.

Every minute counted that morning if they were to be at the airport at 6:30 but didn't get up until 5:30. There was a 20-minute drive to the airport facing them.

I'm convinced the Ramseys were up long before 5:30 that morning.

JMO

 

[Shylock]

Every minute counted that morning if they were to be at the airport at 6:30 but didn't get up until 5:30. There was a 20-minute drive to the airport facing them.

I agree that the time frame doesn't really work. But, things are different when you own the airplane. It's not like it would have left without them, so they could have shown up 2 hours late without a problem.

What time was it when John called the pilot and told him they wouldn't be leaving that morning?

 

[BlueCrab]

I agree that the time frame doesn't really work. But, things are different when you own the airplane. It's not like it would have left without them, so they could have shown up 2 hours late without a problem.

What time was it when John called the pilot and told him they wouldn't be leaving that morning?

Not quite. The pilot has a prefiled flight plan to adhere to. And the Ramseys were rendezvousing in Minneapolis at 11:00 A.M. to pick up passengers and continue the trip to Michigan. According to Patsy they HAD to be at the airport by 6:30 A.M.

JMO

 

[K777angel]

I'm convinced the Ramseys were up long before 5:30 that morning.
JMO

Bluecrab I agree with you.

Watch the crock again sometime. Pay close attention to when John Ramsey is telling Michael Tracey about helping Burke put together his toy that night and how he was trying to get him to bed because they had to get up "early, like around f....." He starts to say the "f" (four or five obviously) and then he abruptly catches himself and stops with a "uh-oh I said too much" look on his face, then throws his arm up and points at Tracey (odd) and changes what he was saying and says, "Uh... we had to get up "early" It is a very telling moment.

Why would he catch himself and be afraid to continue on saying just WHAT "time" they planned to get up that morning? I believe it is because they planned to - and DID get up much earlier than the 5:30am they claim.