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[Britt]

Right, Ivy.

The DNA is inconclusive. Period. It is the Ramseys and their supporters who keep trying to spin it as exculpatory for them.

 

[Ivy]

Were just the spots of JonBenet's blood on the panties checked for foreign DNA? It would be a remarkable cooincidence if the only drops of blood that were shed in the panties landed on the only samples of foreign DNA.

 

[Shylock]

Were just the spots of JonBenet's blood on the panties checked for foreign DNA? It would be a remarkable cooincidence if the only drops of blood that were shed in the panties landed on the only samples of foreign DNA.

Good point. Seeing that this is a sex-related crime, you would think they would have tested the entire crotch of those panties...

 

[Toth]

Fortunately the testing is not being done by the BPD therefore we atleast have some hope that it may be being done right.

 

[Ivy]

Who's doing the actual testing, Toth?

 

[LovelyPigeon]

Cellmark Labs in Maryland did the initial DNA testing of materials on the panties, reference http://www.cnn.com/US/9703/20/ramsey.murder/ and other reports.

 

[Ivy]

LP, thanks, but I know CellMark did the initial tests. Did CellMark also test the DNA in the second sample?

 

[Nehemiah]

Fortunately the testing is not being done by the BPD therefore we atleast have some hope that it may be being done right.

Yes, we're all aware that the BPD, CellMark, FBI, CBI, Aerospace, et al, were all in a conspiracy to get the Rs. Hopefully, there's one good agency out there left who isn't involved in the plot against them.

 

[Toth]

Actually I would not refer to it as a conspiracy. I think it is simply arrogance and incompetence at the BPD and the FBI's profiling unit.
Aerospace seems not to have even issued any report of what it did and what if found, if anything. Nor do they seem to be a qualified firm.
So I would not say 'conspiracy' I would more say arrogance, incompetence and bureaucratic defensiveness.

 

[Shylock]

Yes, we're all aware that the BPD, CellMark, FBI, CBI, Aerospace, et al, were all in a conspiracy to get the Rs. Hopefully, there's one good agency out there left who isn't involved in the plot against them.

Has the RST really checked out the Girl Scouts of America? What about the YMCA?

 

[LovelyPigeon]

Ivy, I have not read where the DNA testing and analysis on the 2nd spot of blood was done. Maybe someone else knows.

There may be a chain of custody question that would almost insist Cellmark be used for the 2nd testing.

 

[BlueCrab]

Aerospace seems not to have even issued any report of what it did and what if found, if anything. Nor do they seem to be a qualified firm.

Toth,

Aerospace Corporation is one of the nation's most important defense contractors on the high technology side. The company does testing for police departments all over the country without cost and even trains police personnel at its laboratories on the latest advancements in technology. Aerospace sticks to its policy of not producing written reports on the work it does for law enforcement.

JMO

 

[Toth]

Would you check on the exact corporate entity that is involved.

When you say 'not producing written reports' do you mean it does not generate any written reports or that it simply refuses to disclose such written reports.

Does any written report exist that relates to this 911 tape? I've always thought this nonsense about Burke's voice being on it was dreamed up by Steve Thomas and he created all this guff about "reports" and thats why he was so upset when the tape was sent to a more qualified and unbiased firm.

 

[BlueCrab]

Would you check on the exact corporate entity that is involved.

When you say 'not producing written reports' do you mean it does not generate any written reports or that it simply refuses to disclose such written reports.

Does any written report exist that relates to this 911 tape? I've always thought this nonsense about Burke's voice being on it was dreamed up by Steve Thomas and he created all this guff about "reports" and thats why he was so upset when the tape was sent to a more qualified and unbiased firm.

Aerospace's "report" was the enhanced tape itself, which the two Aerospace engineers who worked on it -- Mike Epstein and Jim Roeder -- gave to Detective Mellissa Hickman on April 22, 1997 (I think that was the date) to bring back to Boulder.

All who independently listened to that original enhanced tape could hear Burke's voice (and John's and Patsy's) on it exactly as has been widely reported.

JMO

 

[Shylock]

I've always thought this nonsense about Burke's voice being on it was dreamed up by Steve Thomas and he created all this guff about "reports" and thats why he was so upset when the tape was sent to a more qualified and unbiased firm.

Thomas wasn't the one in charge of getting the 911 tape enhanced. And the "more qualified and unbiased firm" as you call it was Los Alamos who also heard a third (Burke's) voice but differed only on what the voice was saying.

Burke's voice is on the 911 tape, proving the Ramseys lied about what went on that morning. Keenan proved that when she released the 911 tape on CD which contains Patsy's "help me Jesus" cries followed by a 4 second gap where John and Burke's voices are redacted.

IMO

 

[Honeybee]

Is there a source other than Steve Thomas' book where I can find a report by the Los Alamos lab, in writing, stating what they found on the tape? Do we only have Steve Thomas' word for this or is there an official report which has been made public? Thank you.

 

[Toth]

You really think DA-Keenan ordered the tape be altered??

 

[LovelyPigeon]

No "official" or actual report on the 911 tape has been made public.

A transcript of the tape has been made public and the tape itself has been made public, though.

 

[Shylock]

You really think DA-Keenan ordered the tape be altered??

She didn't "alter" the tape Toth, she released a REDACTED version of the tape, which is very normal since it's an ongoing investigation. If you remember, the original release of the autopsy report was also redacted.

As far as WHY Keenan chose to release a redacted version of the 911 tape there could be several reasons, one of them being that the deleted part contained the voice of a minor, or more importantly because it's evidence that proves the Ramseys are not telling the truth about what really happened that morning.

 

[Blazeboy3]

There is a monkey wrench waiting to be thrown into those works, I believe. What would the DNA results show for someone who is of a multi-racial background? What would these tests make of Tiger Woods, whose mother is half Thai, one-quarter Chinese, and one quarter European, and whose father is half black, one-quarter American Indian, and one-quarter Chinese?

Exactly...It's "a corrupt thing" IMHO...(DNA)!? *(For THOSE "Who Get It!?)