Question

[popcorn]

That's JonBenet's blood and her DNA, what's in question is the 'foreign' DNA.

 

[popcorn]

The spin about the panties predates the Atlanta interviews.

 

[LovelyPigeon]

You asked if there was transcript of interview asking PR about the panties, while contending that there was not.

There is.

We do not know what the material is that held the male DNA (sweat, skin cell, saliva, blood) or the size of that material. We only know that it was mixed with the JonBenét's blood in those drops on her panty's interior crotch.

 

[Ivy]

If someone has a link to the transcript in which Patsy talks about the size 12 panties, please post it, okay? I don't recall ever seeing it.

Anyway, if we're to believe the Star, the BPD ackowledged the size 12 panties story as being true. Here's an excerpt from an archived LongmontFYI article:

The same tabloid [The Star] claims JonBenet was wearing size-12 underwear when her body was found, in spite of the fact she normally wore a much-smaller size 6. The report said the little girl was wearing size-6 "day-of-the-week panties" labeled for Wednesday when she was put to bed. The unopened package of size-12 day-of-the-week panties was reportedly in a drawer and had been purchased to give to another child. The Star said police believe the larger panties could have been hastily opened by Patsy in order to make sure the "Wednesday" label was showing.

According to the Star, police said, "If a stranger had killed JonBenet, it would have been impossible for him to know where to find the panties."

http://www.longmontfyi.com/ramsey/storyDetail99.asp?ID=46

 

[LovelyPigeon]

I can't provide a link, but I can provide that portion of the transcript:
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8 Q. (By Mr. Levin) Ms. Ramsey, we
9 are going to move on to another area. And
10 what I want to discuss with you is the
11 underpants that JonBenet was wearing at the
12 time that she was discovered on the 26th.
13 We are going to try to get some background
14 information on those from you. Hopefully you
15 can help us out a little bit. Okay?
16 I don't, I'll be perfectly honest
17 with you, I don't follow all of the media
18 developments in this case, so I am not quite
19 sure what is out in the public sector. But
20 what I would like to get a feel for is just
21 what your belief is with regard to the
22 significance of the underpants that your
23 daughter was wearing at the time that she
24 was found murdered.
25 MR. WOOD: With all due fairness,

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1 didn't you cover that in June of 1998?
2 MR. LEVIN: I don't believe so,
3 and I think that will become apparent.
4 MR. WOOD: Okay. Well, maybe if
5 you help me, just so I understand, when you
6 say what is the significance of it, are you
7 really just trying to find out what she
8 might know about why she was wearing them?
9 I am not sure what significance, with regard
10 to significance --
11 MR. LEVIN: What I would like to
12 know is what Mrs. Ramsey's belief, as she
13 sits here, is significant about the
14 underpants. In a normal homicide case, what
15 kind of underpants someone is wearing is
16 typically not national news. Fair enough?
17 THE WITNESS: Yes.
18 MR. LEVIN: But apparently it has
19 become national news, and I just want to get
20 a sense, before I start asking some specific
21 questions, which I hope she can help us
22 with, why you think, what is your
23 understanding of what the significance is.
24 MR. WOOD: Bruce, I don't know,
25 just so it is clear, I don't know that her

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1 underwear has become national news.
2 Now, I don't know, sitting here
3 today, I may want to go back and look at
4 them, but it may be something that the
5 tabloids have written about, but I don't know
6 of any national news from reputable news
7 agencies that have made that a major issue.
8 But I am not arguing with that.
9 I just want to make sure I don't agree with
10 you by acquiescence, but --
11 MR. LEVIN: I understand.
12 MR. WOOD: - the question is, I
13 think he wants to know, and maybe I am still
14 not clear, you assume she attaches some
15 significance to it, but I am not sure. If
16 you asked her a factual question, maybe she
17 will understand.
18 Q. (By Mr. Levin) Well, let's start
19 with what - I will make it very simple for
20 you, Mrs. Ramsey. What information are you
21 in possession of or what do you know about
22 the underwear that your daughter was wearing
23 at the time she was found murdered?
24 A. I have heard that she had on a
25 pair of Bloomi's that said Wednesday on them.

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1 Q. The underwear that she was
2 wearing, that is Bloomi's panties, do you
3 know where they come from as far as what
4 store?
5 A. Bloomingdales in New York.
6 Q. Who purchased those?
7 A. I did.
8 Q. Do you recall when you purchased
9 them?
10 A. It was, I think, November of '96.
11 Q. In the fall of 1996, how many
12 trips did you make to New York?
13 A. Two, I believe.
14 Q. Do you recall, and again, the
15 same, same qualification I gave you when we
16 started, which is, I understand that you are
17 not going to give me exact dates, but the
18 two trips you made, did you make those with
19 different groups of people?
20 A. Yes.
21 Q. The first trip, who was that trip
22 with?
23 A. The first trip was a
24 mother-daughter trip with my mother Nedra
25 Paugh, my sister Pam Paugh, friends Susan

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1 F**** from Charlevoix, Michigan, and her
2 daughter and a friend of Susan's, Ms.
3 K****** I believe was her name, and her
4 daughter, and JonBenet and myself.
5 Q. And the second trip you made was?
6 A. The second trip we made was with
7 Glen and Susan Stein.
8 Q. Is that the trip -- which trip
9 was the November trip?
10 A. With the children.
11 Q. Was that -- that is the first
12 trip?
13 A. Yes.
14 Q. And the second trip that you and
15 your husband and the Steins took, was that
16 also November, but later in the month, or
17 was that a December trip?
18 A. I think it was December.
19 Q. And maybe this will help jog your
20 memory as to time. I believe that was the
21 time of the Christmas parade in Boulder.
22 A. Yes.
23 Q. Is that correct?
24 A. Yes.
25 Q. Were you out of town?

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1 A. I remember that.
2 Q. Which of those two trips did you
3 purchase the Bloomi's?
4 A. The first trip.
5 Q. Was it something that was selected
6 by JonBenet?
7 A. I believe so.
8 Q. Was it your intention, when you
9 purchased those, for those to be for her,
10 not for some third party as a gift?
11 A. I bought some things that were
12 gifts and some things for her. So I
13 don't --
14 Q. Just so I am clear, though, it is
15 your best recollection that the purchase of
16 the underpants, the Bloomi's days of the
17 week, was something that you bought for her,
18 whether it was just I am buying underwear
19 for my kids or these are special, here's a
20 present, that doesn't matter, but it was your
21 intention that she would wear those?
22 A. Well, I think that I bought a
23 package of the -- they came in a package of
24 Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday.
25 I think I bought a package to give to my

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1 niece.
2 Q. Which niece was that?
3 A. Jenny D*****.
4 Q. They came in, if you recall, do
5 you remember that they come in kind of a
6 plastic see-through plastic container.
7 A. Right.
8 Q. They are rolled up?
9 A. Yes.
10 Q. So if I understand you correctly,
11 you bought one package for Jenny D*****, your
12 niece, and one for JonBenet?
13 A. I am not sure if I bought one or
14 two.
15 Q. Do you remember what size they
16 were?
17 A. Not exactly.
18 Q. JonBenet was found wearing the
19 Wednesday Bloomi's underpants, and your
20 understanding is correct, that is a fact, you
21 can accept that as a fact, when she was
22 found murdered. Those underpants do not fit
23 her. Were you aware of that?
24 MR. WOOD: Are you stating that
25 as a matter of fact --

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1 MR. LEVIN: I'm stating that as a
2 matter --
3 MR. WOOD: - for a six-year-old
4 child?
5 MR. LEVIN: I am stating that as
6 a matter of fact.
7 MR. WOOD: Don't fit her
8 according to whose standard?
9 MR. LEVIN: By --
10 MR. WOOD: I mean, I have got an
11 11-year-old boy, and he wears underwear that
12 potentially hangs down to his knees, Bruce.
13 I mean, I don't know how you can come up
14 with that as a fact. That sounds to me
15 like more of an opinion. Who states that as
16 fact?
17 Q. (By Mr. Levin) Ms. Ramsey, your
18 daughter weighed, I believe, 45 pounds;
19 correct?
20 A. Uh-huh (affirmative).
21 Q. She was six years old?
22 A. Uh-huh (affirmative).
23 Q. What size underpants would you
24 normally buy for her?
25 A. 8 to 10.

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1 Q. Ms. Ramsey, would you say that it
2 would, it is safe to assume that, if she is
3 wearing underpants designed for someone who
4 weighs 85 pounds, who is 10 to 12 years old,
5 that those would not fit her?
6 A. Those -- I mean, I am sure she
7 could wear them, yes, but they wouldn't fit
8 as well as a smaller pair.
9 Q. And as a mother, you would know
10 that someone who is 85 pounds is
11 significantly larger than your little
12 six-year-old?
13 MR. WOOD: Can't we assume that
14 as a matter of 85 is more than 45 without
15 her having to document a mathematical fact,
16 Bruce?
17 Q. (By Mr. Levin) 40 pounds is the
18 wrong size pair of underpants, would you
19 agree?
20 A. Yes.
21 Q. Okay. What we are trying to
22 understand is whether -- we are trying to
23 understand why she is wearing such a large
24 pair of underpants. We are hoping you can
25 help us if you have a recollection of it.

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1 A. I am sure that I put the package
2 of underwear in her bathroom, and she opened
3 them and put them on.
4 Q. Do you know if -- you bought
5 these sometime in mid to early December, is
6 that correct, as far as -- no, I am sorry,
7 you bought them in November?
8 A. Right.
9 Q. Do you recall, was she wearing
10 these? And I don't mean this specific day
11 of the week, but was she wearing, were you
12 aware of the fact that she, you know, was in
13 this package of underpants and had been
14 wearing them since the trip to New York in
15 November?
16 A. I don't remember.
17 Q. Ms. Hoffman Pugh generally did the
18 laundry for the family, that is part of her
19 duties; is that correct?
20 A. Correct.
21 Q. Exclusively, or did you wash
22 clothes on occasion?
23 A. I washed a lot of clothes.
24 Q. Do you have any recollection of
25 ever washing any of the Bloomi panties?

 

[Shylock]

I don't see any issue here. Whatever JonBenet did to the intruder such as scratching him is unknown, but perhaps caused him to foolishly put his hand to the scratch thus getting blood on his finger which he then used to pull down her panties, transferring the small amount of blood to the panties.

What are you talking about Toth? You know there was NO blood on JB except her own. Blood is easy to identify. Just like semen, it has other components in it which make it identifiable.

JonBenet didn't scratch ANYBODY, not even herself. There was nothing identifiable under her fingernails to indicate differently.

 

[Imon128]

Also, we know of no skin under JB's nails, etc. If she scratched her attacker, it surely would have shown up in an autposy report. If there's an addendum to the autopsy we're not privvy to, it's not our fault, at this point. NOTHING indicates that JB struggled with her killer from the facts we have been presented, IMO.

 

[popcorn]

Thanks for the transcript. Seems like the Ramsey attorneys didn't think that it was important or for some other reason (take a wild guess) didn't want her to answer, they fought it.

In any event verifiction from an unbiased source must be provided as the foreign DNA if the only thing stopping the DA from charging the Ramseys. I do not believe anything Patsy Ramsey spews.

"We do not know what the material is that held the male DNA (sweat, skin cell, saliva, blood) or the size of that material. We only know that it was mixed with the JonBenét's blood in those drops on her panty's interior crotch."

It takes only a cell or two to get a complete DNA profile so it's safe to assume the size is less than a cell, it's an incomplete cell be it blood, saliva, or skin.

 

[Shylock]

We only know that it was mixed with the JonBenét's blood in those drops on her panty's interior crotch.

What we know is that it was MIXED in the lab during the DNA testing process. That's how the process works.
As far as what was in her panties, we don't know if the foreign DNA even exists or is just contamination. And we don't know if the contamination was MIXED with her blood, under it, next to it, or on top of it. We don't know if the contamination was in the panties before she ever put them on, or if it came from the buffoon Meyer's shoddy lab practices. We don't know any of these things because there is no identifiable source for the foreign DNA. We know the experts have said it might not even exist and just be a product of the testing procedure itself (stutter effect). And most importantly, the experts have said this is NOT a DNA case.

We can sleep soundly at night, knowing that nobody will EVER be caught and convicted by this DNA baloney, and the Ramseys will look just as guilty tomorrow as they have for the past 7-years.

There were only FOUR people in the house that night, and one of the surviving three did something to cause the death of the fourth. Any of the three could be good for it.

IMO/JMO

 

[Ivy]

Yes, thanks very much, LovelyPigeon.

Lin Wood said...
"I mean, I have got an 11-year-old boy, and he wears underwear that
potentially hangs down to his knees, Bruce."

Okay, I know this is OT, but I can't help but wonder...why did Lin Wood's son's underwear potentially (potentially? :waitasec: ) hang down to his knees?

 

[Imon128]

Yes, thanks very much, LovelyPigeon.




Okay, I know this is OT, but I can't help but wonder...why did Lin Wood's son's underwear potentially (potentially? :waitasec: ) hang down to his knees?

Ivy, LOL. Perhaps they were attached to the horse whisper's horse's feedbag?

 

[LovelyPigeon]

Wait! there's more than wouldn't fit in a single post:

24 Q. Do you have any recollection of
25 ever washing any of the Bloomi panties?

85
1 A. Not specifically.
2 Q. Was it something that, the fact
3 that she is wearing these underpants designed
4 for an 85-pound person, did you ever -- and
5 I will give you a minute to think about it
6 because I know it is tough to try to pin
7 down a couple of months of casual
8 conversation -- do you recall ever having any
9 conversations with her concerning the fact
10 that she is wearing underwear that is just
11 too large for her?
12 A. No.
13 Q. Knowing yourself as you do, if it
14 was, if it had caught your attention or came
15 to your attention, do you think you might
16 have said, JonBenet, you should, those don't
17 fit, put something on that fits, that is
18 inappropriate? Do you think, if it came,
19 had come to your attention --
20 A. Well, obviously we, you know, the
21 package had been opened, we made the
22 decision, you know, oh, just go ahead and
23 use them because, you know, we weren't going
24 to give them to Jenny after all, I guess,
25 so.

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1 I mean, if you have ever seen
2 these little panties, there is not too much
3 difference in the size. So, you know, I'm
4 sure even if they were a little bit big,
5 they were special because we got them up
6 there, she wanted to wear them, and they
7 didn't fall down around her ankles, that was
8 fine with me.
9 MR. MORRISSEY: Did you ever see
10 if they fell down around her ankles or not?
11 THE WITNESS: No.
12 MS. HARMER: But you specifically
13 remember her putting on the bigger pair?
14 And I am not saying --
15 THE WITNESS: They were just in
16 her panty drawer, so I don't, you know, I
17 don't pay attention. I mean, I just put all
18 of her clean panties in a drawer and she can
19 help herself to whatever is in there.
20 MS. HARMER: I guess I am not
21 clear on, you bought the panties to give to
22 Jenny.
23 THE WITNESS: Right.
24 MS. HARMER: And they ended up in
25 JonBenet's bathroom?

87
1 A. Right.
2 Q. (By Ms. Harmer) Was there - I'm
3 sorry. Do you recall making a decision then
4 not to give them to Jenny or did JonBenet
5 express an interest in them; therefore, you
6 didn't give them to Jenny? How did that --
7 A. I can't say for sure. I mean, I
8 think I bought them with the intention of
9 sending them in a package of Christmas things
10 to Atlanta. Obviously I didn't get that
11 together, so I just put them in her, her
12 panty drawer. So they were free game.
13 Q. (By Mr. Morrissey) At the time,
14 how old was Jenny?
15 A. I don't know. Probably -- I
16 don't know. She is older than JonBenet, but
17 I don't know exactly how old she was.
18 Q. Would these panties, size wise, be
19 more appropriate for -- is she an older
20 girl?
21 A. Yes.
22 Q. And I assume a larger girl?
23 A. Well, at that time, no, not -- I
24 mean, she is not -- I mean, today she is a
25 young woman, but then she was a little girl.

88
1 Q. How old is she now?
2 A. She is now 15, I believe.
3 Q. So she would have been about 12
4 or somewhere --
5 A. 11.
6 Q. -- 11, 12?
7 A. Yeah.
8 Q. And based on the, I guess,
9 dimensions that Mr. Levin has talked about,
10 these would have been a size appropriate for
11 her?
12 A. Uh-huh (affirmative).
13 MR. WOOD: Do you know that?
14 Q. (By Mr. Morrissey) Based on your
15 knowledge of her? I mean, I never have seen
16 this girl, so --
17 MR. WOOD: Guys, I think -- if
18 you all have kids, I mean, I just think you
19 are making assumptions based on poundage,
20 apparently, that isn't necessarily, you know,
21 in touch with the realities with kids and
22 their clothes. But you know, if you know
23 that, Patsy, please tell them.
24 Why don't you go ahead and
25 restate your question.

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1 Q. (By Mr. Morrissey) You purchased
2 these specifically for a person?
3 A. Okay.
4 MR. WOOD: Is that your
5 recollection?
6 THE WITNESS: Yes.
7 MR. WOOD: Okay.
8 Q. (By Mr. Morrissey) And I assume
9 you wanted them to fit her and she be able
10 to wear them or there would be no sense in
11 purchasing them; right?
12 A. Right.
13 Q. Okay. Would the size that has
14 been described here be appropriate for the
15 size of the girl you purchased them for?
16 A. I was guessing at her size, so I
17 had hoped that they would be.
18 Q. Now, we have talked -- you know,
19 the fact that a boy may wear boxer shorts
20 that go down to his ankles --
21 A. Uh-huh (affirmative).
22 Q. --has nothing to do with girls,
23 when you purchase girl's panties; right?
24 MR. WOOD: Come on, Mitch.
25 Mitch --

90
1 THE WITNESS: I mean, if --
2 MR. WOOD: Don't answer that.
3 That's not a --
4 MR. MORRISSEY: It is different.
5 MR. WOOD: I made the statement
6 because of my kids, but let me just tell
7 you, my nine-year-old daughter likes to wear
8 my XL T-shirts. I mean, you are asking now
9 about the realm of kids, and I don't think
10 that is a factual question that she is
11 really here to give you information about.
12 MR. MORRISSEY: Mrs. Ramsey, I
13 never purchased a pair of girl's panties.
14 Okay.
15 Q. (By Mr. Morrissey) What do you
16 do, I mean, when you do that, what do you
17 think about as far as the person you're
18 purchasing them for?
19 A. Well, you just look, small,
20 medium, large, you know, and you pick the
21 one you think would most likely fit.
22 Q. And do they have age groups or
23 are they suggested for like a 10-year-old
24 through a 12-year-old or a 13-year-old
25 through a 15-year-old? Do they do it that

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1 way too?
2 A. I never paid any attention if
3 they do.
4 MR. MORRISSEY: Okay.
5 Q. (By Mr. Kane) Let me ask it
6 this way. Did you say you bought more than
7 one set of Bloomi's?
8 A. I can't remember.
9 Q. You bought some for JonBenet?
10 A. I can't remember.
11 Q. Why is it that you remember
12 buying Bloomingdale's panties in November of
13 1996?
14 A. Because --
15 MR. WOOD: Because she remembers
16 it. I mean --
17 MR. KANE: Wait a second, Lin.
18 Would you please let her answer the question?
19 It is a simple question.
20 MR. WOOD: Why is it that you
21 remember something?
22 MR. KANE: Yes, why do you
23 remember --
24 MR. WOOD: Because she remembered.
25 Q. (By Mr. Kane) - that, that

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1 detail?
2 A. Well, for starters, it has been
3 made such a big detail.
4 Q. Okay, well, that is my question.
5 A. I remember that I -- and I, you
6 know, we were kind of shopping around, and
7 it was close to Christmas season, so we
8 might pick up a little souvenir. I
9 bought -- I think I picked up a little
10 something for a baby-sitter, you know.
11 Q. Where was it that you became
12 aware that this was -- where was it that it
13 was made a big deal? What was the source
14 of your information that Bloomingdale's
15 panties somehow were significant that made
16 you then say, wait a second, did I ever buy
17 those?
18 MR. WOOD: Do you have a precise
19 recollection of that event occurring where
20 all of a sudden something happened and you
21 decided it was some big deal?
22 THE WITNESS: I don't know. I
23 mean, my first thought is something in the
24 tabloids, but, you know, they get everything
25 wrong, so --

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1 Q. (By Mr. Kane) Okay. Were you
2 aware that these were the size of panties
3 that she was wearing, and this has been
4 publicized, it is out in the open, that they
5 were size 12 to 14? Were you aware of
6 that?
7 A. I have become aware of that, yes.
8 Q. And how did you become aware of
9 that?
10 A. Something I read, I am sure.
11 Q. And I will just state a fact
12 here. I mean, there were 15 pair of panties
13 taken out of, by the police, out of
14 JonBenet's panty drawer in her bathroom. Is
15 that where she kept -
16 A. Uh-huh (affirmative).
17 Q. -- where you were describing that
18 they were just put in that drawer?
19 A. Yes.
20 Q. Okay. And every one of those was
21 either a size four or a size six. Okay?
22 Would that have been about the size pair of
23 panties that she wore when she was six years
24 old?
25 A. I would say more like six to

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1 eight. There were probably some in there
2 that were too small.
3 Q. Okay. But not size 12 to 14?
4 A. Not typically, no.
5 MR. KANE: Okay.
6 Q. (By Mr. Morrissey) And you
7 understand the reason we are asking this, we
8 want to make sure that this intruder did not
9 bring these panties with him, this was
10 something --
11 A. Right.
12 Q. - that was in the house.
13 A. Yes.
14 Q. And we are clear that, as far as
15 you know, that is something that was in this
16 house?
17 A. Yes.
18 Q. -- that belonged to your daughter,
19 these panties?
20 A. Correct.
21 Q. (By Ms. Harmer) Mrs. Ramsey,
22 have you ever seen a crime scene photo of
23 the underwear that your daughter was found
24 in?
25 A. No.

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1 Q. Did Lou Schmidt ever show you a
2 photo?
3 A. No.
4 Q. (By Mr. Kane) I want to follow
5 up with something you said earlier. You
6 said she would have just gone in and gotten
7 a pair herself?
8 A. Uh-huh (affirmative).
9 Q. Okay. Was she -- did she usually
10 dress herself?
11 A. She was pretty much able to dress
12 herself.

 

[Barbara]

One of these days, and depending on what type of psych class I'm asked to instruct, (every now and then I teach a class in the community college) if it fits with the curriculum, I am going to get all the transcripts available that have Patsy answering questions and I will make a project out of counting the number of questions asked of Patsy and the number of responses that are:

maybe,
not specifically
I'm not sure
I don't recall
it's possible, but..
I can't say for sure
I don't really remember
I think so, but....
Perhaps, but

etc., etc.

I would do it myself but just don't have the time.

Why is it that there are some who would ask us to believe the accounts of that night by not only one of the prime candidates for perp, but of someone who cannot seem to answer a single important question definitively?

This is her own mother for crying out loud and she couldn't even remember the last time her 5 year old daughter bathed or washed her hands in some interviews.

Hello? Hello? Hello?

Is it just me???

This is the person whose word some will take as the gospel truth about this case? Why?

 

[Nehemiah]

I was reading some very old published articles and transcripts of interviews on the case the other night and one really struck me. It talked about how the blood stain(s) in JonBenet's panties were NOT fresh stains - but old ones.
There have also been reports of brown stains on that white blanket of JonBenet's.
I do not recall where I read this or who stated it, but I do remember thinking how interesting it was because the person was credible who was stating it.
Whoever it was. Sorry.

http://www.thewebsafe.tripod.com/05...rdongeraldo.htm

Geraldo Rivera - Wednesday, May 14, 1997


CNBC News Transcripts, May 14, 1997

SHOW: RIVERA LIVE (9:00 PM ET)

May 14, 1997, Wednesday 4:29 PM


....Ms. McKINLEY: They had three things: They had a hair on a blanket, they had some fingernail cuttings with perhaps some DNA under the cuttings from JonBenet and they had a pair of her underwear that might have had bloodstains on it. But the bloodstains, my sources tell me, had been washed over and over again in the laundry and they might not have been able to get any DNA from those stains. So it might have been old.

RIVERA: The child's underwear had bloodstains.

Ms. McKINLEY: From what my sources say, yes. I have two very good sources who've told me that. But they might not have gotten anything from the DNA because it might have been an old bloodstain....

 

[Jayelles]

But what we were led to believe about the DNA from the BPD turns out not to be accurate. There is sufficient DNA of sufficient quality to submit the sample to CODIS.

I don't think a jury would believe that some innocent transfer caused a man's DNA to be mixed with JonBenét's blood in her panties.

I believe that they would still have to build a case against such a suspect. If they have 10 markers only - couldn't that also implcate his relatives?

Supposing the guy has an alibi? Supposing he suffers from severe dyslexia? Supposing he is a pillar of the community who's never even had a parking ticket? It certainly already seems as though he may have no previous convictions - no "history" as his DNA is not in CODIS.

Supposing the guy turn out to have dined at Pasta Jay's on Christmas Eve. Supposing he visited the loo whilst he was there, and that he can prove he had troublesome haemorrhoids which bled - leaving a trace of his DNA on the toilet seat? That could be all it could take for a defence.

Try putting yourself in his shoes. Supposing the police arrive on your doorstep saying that 10 markers of your husband/son/father's DNA matches that found in the underwear of a murder victim. You recall that you dined at the same restaurant as the murder victim on the night before she died and your husband/father/son/brother has bleeding haemorrhoids. Would you consider that as a possible explanation ... or would you instantly assume that your male relative was a murderer?

 

[LovelyPigeon]

Barbara, it's just you

This transcript is an interview more than 2 years after JonBenét's death.

Not only has Patsy been told to answer *as best she can* but she's encouraged not to make definite statements if she actually doesn't remember.

Try an experiment sometime--maybe in a psych class you teach---and see what people can actually remember about actual daily, mundane events. You've probably seen some televised experiments on TLC or Discovery you could model after.

 

[LovelyPigeon]

Jayelle, people with alibis get convicted all the time. Now, if you have a match to the DNA who can prove he was in Washington State or Washington DC at the time, you'd have a winner.

DNA in the underwear or on the body of a sexually assaulted and murdered person is powerful evidence against the person who owns that DNA. It happens more and more as DNA is used as physical evidence in cases of rape, murder, assault, etc

It would take some powerful, logical, and physical explanations to convince the parents, law enforcement, a judge, and a jury that the owner of that DNA mixed with JonBenét's blood in her panties was not her killer.

 

[Imon128]

What is the source for the Atlanta transcripts you posted, LP? Thanks.

 

[Toth]

The bloodstains were fresh and the panties had never been laundered.

 

[Toth]

It doesn't matter how much of a pillar of the community he is and how lacking he is in any known pathology or history of criminal behavior. If its a match to his dna, he is "good for it" and far, far better for it than anyone else.