Ramsey Friend, Member of "Small Foreign Faction", Was Never Investigated

[Miss Daisey]

Blue Crab,

Thank you. I thought it was but didn't I read that it had been moved to Colorado because it was more convinient(sp) for the Ramsey's? or was that another suit among the dozens of other folks they're suing.

How would it make it more convinient? The Ramseys live in Mn.

 

[BlueCrab]

Blue Crab,

Thank you. I thought it was but didn't I read that it had been moved to Colorado because it was more convinient(sp) for the Ramsey's? or was that another suit among the dozens of other folks they're suing.

How would it make it more convinient? The Ramseys live in Mn.

Miss Daisey,

Almost all of the documents and witnesses for the Ramsey v Fox News lawsuit are in Colorado.

JMO

 

[Miss Daisey]

Blue Crab,

How cool is THAT? And convinient, too ! :banghead:

 

[BlueCrab]

As I previously mentioned, Nathan Inouye was one of the 29 members of the Asian Pacific American Coalition at Colorado University, which folded shortly after the murder of JonBenet. APAC held bi-weekly meetings. Here's a sample of its programs during the meetings (this information is taken verbatim from APAC's website):

1995 -- "Kip Fulbeck delivers the observations and experiences of Asian men in America. He attacks media representation of Asian men, interracial dating patterns, cultural icons, and selling out."

1995 -- "Who killed Vincent Chin? is a film written by Christine Choy, a pioneer filmmaker in the Asian-American community."

1995 -- "Asian American activism and grassroots movements. Speaker Angela Eumjin Oh talks about racism and poor people. Ms. Oh is an attorney and also a community activist and advocate for civil rights and human rights causes."

1996 -- "Making Waves: Asians in Action': a Colorado performance group, 'Here and Now', presented experiences by and about Asian-American women."

1996 -- "Speaker Peter Kwong talked about the exploitation of illegal labor brought from China."

APAC's programs for 1997 that were scheduled but apparently abandoned following JonBenet's murder included:

"Hello (Sex) Kitty': Denise Uyehara is an internationally acclaimed actress, playwright, author, poet, and activist. She performs a one-woman performance which exposes issues of sexism and sexual oppression of the Asian-American experience. Denise Urehara discusses and exposes issues of homosexuality and bisexuality pertaining to Asian-Americans from the point of view of its women."

Among other programs on APAC's agenda for 1997, but cancelled when APAC disbanded, included "Bringing in professor, author, and activist, Debbie Wey. Debbie Wey will discuss various issues which currently affect the Asian-American community, and give suggestions on what steps of action one may take to remedy them."

JMO

 

[Camper]

Isn't that instresssting (as my 4 yr old used to say)! Sorta like me going to another country to make my way or go to school in that country, then standing on the street corner complaining about the way I am treated there.

To quote a black brother, sup with that?

My advice to that group would be to go to a different country and try that tune out on another piano, if there is a piano there.



Question: Blue Crab, where and how funded is the dna lab doing the ethnic dna testing on the Chase case?



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[Miss Daisey]

As I previously mentioned, Nathan Inouye was one of the 29 members of the Asian Pacific American Coalition at Colorado University, which folded shortly after the murder of JonBenet. APAC held bi-weekly meetings. Here's a sample of its programs during the meetings (this information is taken verbatim from APAC's website):

1995 -- "Kip Fulbeck delivers the observations and experiences of Asian men in America. He attacks media representation of Asian men, interracial dating patterns, cultural icons, and selling out."

1995 -- "Who killed Vincent Chin? is a film written by Christine Choy, a pioneer filmmaker in the Asian-American community."

1995 -- "Asian American activism and grassroots movements. Speaker Angela Eumjin Oh talks about racism and poor people. Ms. Oh is an attorney and also a community activist and advocate for civil rights and human rights causes."

1996 -- "Making Waves: Asians in Action': a Colorado performance group, 'Here and Now', presented experiences by and about Asian-American women."

1996 -- "Speaker Peter Kwong talked about the exploitation of illegal labor brought from China."

APAC's programs for 1997 that were scheduled but apparently abandoned following JonBenet's murder included:

"Hello (Sex) Kitty': Denise Uyehara is an internationally acclaimed actress, playwright, author, poet, and activist. She performs a one-woman performance which exposes issues of sexism and sexual oppression of the Asian-American experience. Denise Urehara discusses and exposes issues of homosexuality and bisexuality pertaining to Asian-Americans from the point of view of its women."

Among other programs on APAC's agenda for 1997, but cancelled when APAC disbanded, included "Bringing in professor, author, and activist, Debbie Wey. Debbie Wey will discuss various issues which currently affect the Asian-American community, and give suggestions on what steps of action one may take to remedy them."

JMO

OK. Got it. But you've just made the case for a "intruder". ie "uninvited intruder" or as I said, "non resident of the Ramsey household". When you tie that to the RN it makes sense to me.

May I suggest that BR SAW someone he recognized on the 2nd floor of the Ramsey home that night and was too frightened to ever admit he knows whom he saw?

the reference to "fat cat" in the RN is a term that I can't apply to a 4th grader. It sounds like a radical "left coast" term. IMO

 

[BlueCrab]

OK. Got it. But you've just made the case for a "intruder". ie "uninvited intruder" or as I said, "non resident of the Ramsey household". When you tie that to the RN it makes sense to me.

Miss Daisey,

There was no uninvited intruder. The Ramseys wouldn't be lying their asses off, throwing monkey wrenches into the investigative machinery, and covering up the crime, to protect the identity of an intruder whom they don't even know. They would do this ONLY if a family member was involved in the crime, and then probably only if that family member was Burke.

JMO

 

[mihaff]

the reference to "fat cat" in the RN is a term that I can't apply to a 4th grader. It sounds like a radical "left coast" term. IMO

It sounds like a woman who is trying unsuccessfully to sound like a man in a small foreign faction. maybe a patsy ramsey type. imo

 

[BlueCrab]

The person who was impersonating me over on Jameson's Webbsleuths JonBenet temporarily open forum has been uncovered as a phony. I knew this, of course, but it wasn't easy to prove that he was a phony on an open forum where anyone can post using any "hat" he wishes. It was an interesting and revealing incident that went on for over 100 posts on that thread.

The fake BlueCrab apparently tried to obfuscate my BDI theories and destroy my credibility. But why? It was obviously someone with an intense interest in the case, an interest that seemed to perk sharply when Nathan Inouye or APAC were mentioned.

"Thou doth protest too much" guided my thinking about who the imposter might be. The imposter had obviously thoroughly studied my posts over the last couple of years and knew my BDI theories to a tee. The only internet poster I know of who ever did that is DocWatson.

DocWatson has publicly admitted that he was previously known as DrC. It was DrC who, almost two years ago, reportedly sent an e-mail to Nathan Inouye "ratting me out" to him, so to speak, about my internet postings revealing Nathan's full name and about his association with the Stines and the Ramseys, and about Nathan's membership in APAC.

DrC's reported e-mail to Nathan and Nathan's reported reply to DrC that he was home in California on Christmas day of 1996, begins to ring hollow following the recent impersonation of me over on Jameson's Webbsleuths. I'd like to clear up this matter. Here's what DrC posted (exact wording and typos) in 2003 when I quizzed him about the e-mails he sent to Nathan and what Nathan's response was:

"BC,
This was my original query. I included link to WS but Nathan didn't copy this on his reply and I didn't keep originl:
<[email protected]> wrote:
>> You probably already know this, but did you know
>> there was a poster named
>> Bluecrab who keeps naming you as one involved in the
>> killing of JonBenet?"

DrC then went on and typed long e-mails on the WS forum, which were reportedly messages between himself and Nathan. In Nathan's reported e-mail he states he was home in California when JonBenet was murdered.

DocWatson is likely reading this, so I'd like to ask him two questions:

1. DocWatson, we know you were DrC, but were you also the person who was impersonating BlueCrab at Jameson's Webbsleuths open forum several days ago? (I personally hold you harmless no matter what your response might be.)

2. DocWatson, are you Nathan Inouye?


JMO

BlueCrab

 

[Miss Daisey]

As I previously mentioned, Nathan Inouye was one of the 29 members of the Asian Pacific American Coalition at Colorado University, which folded shortly after the murder of JonBenet. APAC held bi-weekly meetings. Here's a sample of its programs during the meetings (this information is taken verbatim from APAC's website):

1995 -- "Kip Fulbeck delivers the observations and experiences of Asian men in America. He attacks media representation of Asian men, interracial dating patterns, cultural icons, and selling out."

1995 -- "Who killed Vincent Chin? is a film written by Christine Choy, a pioneer filmmaker in the Asian-American community."

1995 -- "Asian American activism and grassroots movements. Speaker Angela Eumjin Oh talks about racism and poor people. Ms. Oh is an attorney and also a community activist and advocate for civil rights and human rights causes."

1996 -- "Making Waves: Asians in Action': a Colorado performance group, 'Here and Now', presented experiences by and about Asian-American women."

1996 -- "Speaker Peter Kwong talked about the exploitation of illegal labor brought from China."

APAC's programs for 1997 that were scheduled but apparently abandoned following JonBenet's murder included:

"Hello (Sex) Kitty': Denise Uyehara is an internationally acclaimed actress, playwright, author, poet, and activist. She performs a one-woman performance which exposes issues of sexism and sexual oppression of the Asian-American experience. Denise Urehara discusses and exposes issues of homosexuality and bisexuality pertaining to Asian-Americans from the point of view of its women."

Among other programs on APAC's agenda for 1997, but cancelled when APAC disbanded, included "Bringing in professor, author, and activist, Debbie Wey. Debbie Wey will discuss various issues which currently affect the Asian-American community, and give suggestions on what steps of action one may take to remedy them."

JMO

Blue Crab,

Let's try it one more time. You keep saying, "there was no intruder"

What's the point of your investigation into APAC and Nathan Inouye if he couldn't have been considered an "uninvited intruder" into the Ramsey home...whether Burke let him in or not? !

To further define "intruder": One who trespasses on ones private property without the homeowners permission....in the middle of the night....on Christmas night....and murders one's child".

I understand you have more than one theory but can't decided where the heck you're going with NI and APAC when you're so certain that Burke played a material roll in this murder. I certainly KNOW that Patsy wouldn't cover for Nathan...and would only protect her son.

 

[BlueCrab]

Blue Crab,

Let's try it one more time. You keep saying, "there was no intruder"

What's the point of your investigation into APAC and Nathan Inouye if he couldn't have been considered an "uninvited intruder" into the Ramsey home...whether Burke let him in or not? !

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Miss Daisey,

Please don't quote me unless you are sure what I said. I didn't say there was no intruder. I said there was no UNKNOWN intruder.

If a Ramsey, any Ramsey, invited a known person into the house, that person cannot be considered an intruder, even if the rest of the Ramseys are madder than hell about it. That's why, in the Ramsey case, I prefer saying "There was a fifth person in the house."

If there was a fifth person in the house that night, then Burke almost HAD to have known who it was. Otherwise, there would be no reason for the Ramseys to be involved in a coverup. They wouldn't cover up for anyone else but Burke -- not even for each other.

JMO

 

[Miss Daisey]

Miss Daisey,

There was no uninvited intruder. The Ramseys wouldn't be lying their asses off, throwing monkey wrenches into the investigative machinery, and covering up the crime, to protect the identity of an intruder whom they don't even know. They would do this ONLY if a family member was involved in the crime, and then probably only if that family member was Burke.

JMO

Blue Crab,

"There was no "uninvited intruder"". (See above)

If you want to change it to "unknown intruder" it's fine with me. I won't split hairs over it but now we're clear on a diffinition.

It would seem that your previously stated "serveral theories" are beginning to merge into one.

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In my opinion

 

[BlueCrab]

Blue Crab,

It would seem that your previously stated "serveral theories" are beginning to merge into one.

Miss Daisey,

I hope not. There are still too many unknowns in this case to get locked into one theory.

JMO

 

[sissi]

I can understand why you would believe there was no "unknown" intruder, however, I would disagree when determining his "invitation" into the house.
I will not, can not believe that with a busy schedule and a family planned "quick" get together there would have been any invited guests ,either for the evening visit or for the trip. Later, yes, when they were returning home to ready for the Disney boat, I could understand hiring or inviting someone to go along to help with the kids.
Of course I do not believe the Ramseys are hiding or covering , I believe they honestly don't have answers and have had a lot of bad press.
I believe,as well, it is very possible Jonbenet knew her killer, or knew the accomplice of the killer, but I don't have a really solid clue as to who they are.

 

[BlueCrab]

sissi,

The kids didn't have to pack and prep for the trip. The parents did that. The kids could have stayed up all night playing, and planning to sleep during the long flight to Michigan the next morning.

The Stines' were the last house the Ramseys visited on their return ride from the White's dinner party that night. It was Christmas and none of the children had full opportunity to play with some of their new toys -- such as Burke's new Nintendo.

to alleviate that problem, when the Ramseys left the Stines' house Doug could have joined them, and Nathan could have come along as a babysitter so the parents could get to bed early. Doug and Nathan, living just five blocks away, would have been dropped off on the way to the airport the next morning.

I'm not sure whether Nathan was even in town that day, but if he was then that could be one of the reasons there was no traditional Ramsey video tape of the events on Christmas day. Nathan could be in the tape.

JMO

 

[sissi]

I don't believe Burke would have held to lies and secrets in an interview ,by a professional, designed to uncover inconsistencies. There is the hole in this theory, IMO. It is MO as well, that Burke and the Ramseys really do not know what happened. Didn't Smart's little sister hold the secret for a short while, minutes, while under great fear that the someone who took her sister could harm her, as well? Wasn't she the same age as Burke? It's my belief that children can drop the secret when they feel they are safe.

 

[Camper]

Good points BC and Sissi.

I do think that family's that live hyper and very active lives do things on spur of the moment, that might take others a week to plan for.

I have written three different scenarios on what happened after the movie. Many cracks to be filled in.

Lots of sameness to the Ramsey ransom note and the movie Ransom.

Bet the White boy knows where Burke and Doug went that night, IF IF they did go to the movie.

I don't recall much being said about Burke and Doug at the Whites party, anyone else remember what they were doing? We had a whole set up about the fathers playing dolls with the girls on the floor, but where and what were the boys doing at the White's party?? HAD they left and gone to a movie?
Were they dressed up to the nines like the girls?



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[BlueCrab]

Where was ***** ***** on Christmas night?

There were four people living at the home of the Stines -- Glen Stine, his wife Susan Stine, their 9-year-old son ***** *****, and teenage college student ***** *****.

This is far from a smoking gun, but Patsy's use of the plural word "friends" in her following response, instead of the singular word "friend", suggests that ***** could have been in the Stines' house on Christmas night.

From the 1998 police interviews (Patsy was being questioned about their drive home from the White's):

TOM HANEY: "And how many stops did you make along the way?"

PATSY RAMSEY: "Two."

TOM HANEY: "And these were at?"

PATSY RAMSEY: "The Walkers and the Stines."

TOM HANEY: "And you took some presents up to both of them?"

PATSY RAMSEY: "Right."

TOM HANEY: "Did anybody take presents up with you?"

PATSY RAMSEY: "Best as I remember, we went to the Walker's first and I took this bottle of perfume to Roxie. And then we went to the Stines and I had a basket of things to give to them. And I think I went by myself. Burke may have jumped out of the car, because it's his friends."

TOM HANEY: "The Stines?"

PATSY RAMSEY: "The Stines. So it was either -- it was either just myself or maybe Burke and myself."


There were just two people living at the Stines whom Burke could consider friends -- ***** and *****. If he jumped out of the car to see his FRIENDS, then ***** was there and not home in California.

JMO

 

[Miss Daisey]

Blue Crab,

I wouldn't put too much into the text of Patsy saying, "because it's his 'friends'". I'm from the deep south too and I might have read that to mean, because it's his friend's home. In that case, friends is singular. But, of course, she did answer that the Stines were the friends she refered to. Perhaps Nathan was considered one of the family members.

It does seem somewhat unlikely that Nathan had slipped below the radar for so long. The Stines were in positions to observe his behavior...not just his but many young students his age. IOW, in their positions, they know what these guys are like at that age. It would seem the police would have questioned him from the get-go. There doesn't appear to be any reason why the Stines wouldn't have mentioned him to the police...or the Ramseys either but, apparently, they didn't.....for several years.

 

[BlueCrab]

It does seem somewhat unlikely that ****** had slipped below the radar for so long. The ******s were in positions to observe his behavior...not just his but many young students his age. IOW, in their positions, they know what these guys are like at that age. It would seem the police would have questioned him from the get-go. There doesn't appear to be any reason why the ******s wouldn't have mentioned him to the police...or the Ramseys either but, apparently, they didn't.....for several years.

Miss Daisey,

It appears that both ****** ****** and ****** ****** were being kept under the radar. Here's my evidence:

When the paperback edition of Laurence Schiller's "Perfect Murder Perfect Town" was about to be published in 1999, the publisher's presses were being held up until the Ramsey grand jury, after investigating the case for 13 months, made its announcement re' indictments and permanently adjourned. Schiller's PMPT became the bible for the case because it had a name index in the back of it for easy reference that had about 500 names of people who had been interviewed or involved somehow in the case.

The grand jury permanently adjourned in October of 1999 stating that, due to a lack of evidence, no indictments would be issued at this time; and the court immediately slapped a protective order on the case.

Schiller then hurriedly made the necessary updates in his book and PMPT went on sale. Despite about 500 names in Schiller's book, ****** ******'s name appears just once in the text and ****** ******'s name doesn't appear at all.

But checking the names listed in the name index in the back of the book and comparing them to the names actually in the text, we find that "****** ******" was referenced nine times in the name index, even though "****** ******" appeared only once in the text. It looks like ******'s name had been purged from the text, except for one place, at the last minute -- but the editors didn't have time or forgot to remove his name from the name index where it remained listed multiple times.

****** ******'s name, amazingly, doesn't appear at all in the name index nor in the text of PMPT.

By way of comparison, "Burke Ramsey" appears 63 times in the name index and "Burke Ramsey" appears 62 times in the text (there was one typo).

What does this tell us? I don't know about you, but it tells me that Schiller had been pressured to edit his book to conform with the court protective order. That in turn tells me the grand jury likely solved the case, children too young to prosecute were involved, and the Colorado Children's Code kicked in. The Code protects the identities of children under 10 years of age who are involved in a major crime.

What I DON'T know is, was the grand jury even aware of ****** ******'s existence?

JMO