Random Thoughts and Discussion Ideas#6 About the Case

[Mare10]

County extensions used to put out bulletins telling farmers how to use lime to cover up dead cow and horse bodies. Lime not only speeds decomposition and covers up odor. It keeps away flies.

I see this as the only reasonable explanation because the use of lime would have totally burned the lawn at that time of the year, especially in the hot Florida sun. Even using it in spots where there could have been dog pooh, it would leave burn spots all over the yard and I just don't see the A's wanting a lawn like that. IMO

 

[CuriousTwo]

We raise cattle and live on rural acreage. Unfortunately, we have had cattle die in the past and used lime for that very purpose - to mask the decomp odor - it works very well.

 

[snow_walker]

I agree that it seems strange to worry about what your home looks like when a child is missing.. I really don't know how I would react under those circumstances.. I don't think it would matter a lick to me if the place looked like a bunch of warthogs had taken up residence.. then I think about the time I was so sick, a relative actually talked a doctor into making a house call.

When I heard a doctor was coming, I practically leaped out of my 'death bed' to wash floors and dust ..I might have been on my last gasp, but my house looked more or less presentable. Maybe I would do the same even when I was frantic with worry over a missing child.

 

[MAMABEAR]

I wouldn't have had a home "camera" visit. LOL

 

[CuriousTwo]

I wouldn't have had a home "camera" visit. LOL

Very good point! What was the purpose of that? Is that the norm in cases like this? I've never seen it before. The interviews I've seen have been where the family members are standing outside pleading on camera for the missing person to be returned, rather than a calm house-tour walk-thru.

 

[MAMABEAR]

Just seems that the A's every breath is staged. Poot! I have hard e-nuff time dealing with life as it is. Would hate to have to act it out all the time. Doesn't seem to be a good life to me. I like my dysfunctional self---just as it is. Don't even care how my house looks---as long as I have a path to the potty. Course, I don't make much of a mess---still wouldn't want cameras in here. I like "MY SPACE". Just couldn't live in a "staged life". Is all "show" wid these peeps.

Was the Greta show before or after the A's got involved with the foundation? Think CA said they did the foundation in Sept.

 

[star444]

The only time I've ever known anyone to lime a yard was to aid in the decompositon of dog pooh(i do not know how that works, exactly, just that they did it). Maybe their yard was filled with pooh?

Well now, that explains it! We all know there's never a shortage of BS coming from the A's. It's usually at least knee deep.

 

[CuriousTwo]

Was the Greta show before or after the A's got involved with the foundation? Think CA said they did the foundation in Sept.

The home tour with Greta was August 5th or 6th.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,398490,00.html

 

[CuriousTwo]

Maybe their yard was filled with pooh?

It couldn't have been ... remember Casey's friend telling the story of how they went for a walk down the street and CA's dog pooped in a neighbor's lawn and Casey denied it and wouldn't pick it up even though she was holding the leashed dog? LOL!

Regarding the lime - we have two large dogs and just pick up their droppings in our back lawn regularly. Have never had a need to apply anything to mask an odor because there isn't any. With their two tiny pups there can't be much poop volume and I can't see any need for them to use lime to mask pup poop odor - especially in the front lawn.

 

[Intermezzo]

It couldn't have been ... remember Casey's friend telling the story of how they went for a walk down the street and CA's dog pooped in a neighbor's lawn and Casey denied it and wouldn't pick it up even though she was holding the leashed dog? LOL!
Regarding the lime - we have two large dogs and just pick up their droppings in our back lawn regularly. Have never had a need to apply anything to mask an odor because there isn't any. With their two tiny pups there can't be much poop volume and I can't see any need for them to use lime to mask pup poop odor - especially in the front lawn.

BBM
Yes! I remember one of the neighbors, early on, made a comment about Casey walking the dog, confronts her about the mess (pooh)she didn't pick up and she flat out lies to his face, with the evidence in front of her.

 

[Intermezzo]

Very good point! What was the purpose of that? Is that the norm in cases like this? I've never seen it before. The interviews I've seen have been where the family members are standing outside pleading on camera for the missing person to be returned, rather than a calm house-tour walk-thru.

I don't know if it's the norm but a media crew (I'm not sure which one) was in Haleigh Cummings home, showing the viewers where she slept etc...

 

[CuriousTwo]

In Haleigh's case, they suspected she was taken from the home, so I can understand that. But, with Caylee being missing from another location (as was thought at that time), I don't see the purpose in a home tour. I think that's one of the big differences in this case - rather than the family taking advantage of the endless media opportunities to plead for Caylee's return (if they truly thought she was "missing"), the family kept themselves in the spotlight. JMHO.

 

[Intermezzo]

Here is just one more thing that doesn't make sense to me. Why didn't she bolt during those 31 days? Were her ties to CA so great that she was afraid to leave? She obviously didn't think she would end up with ALz, thinking he might return to NY. Although she talked of independence with her friends, she obviously couldn't make the break. It's like she was still 12 years old.

BBM
IMO, she was so comfortable with her lies, her stealing, her surroundings and friends in Orlando it was that much easier for her to get away with stuff than if she took off.

She may have wanted to BOLT but financially could not, she was living off of stolen money from those closest to her and no one did anything substantial to stop her from doing it over and over.

IMO Casey knew her time of carefree living was limited. She knew she had until Caylee's 3rd birthday in August to avoid her family and keep up the stories about Caylee being with the Nanny and her being away with work blah blah blah. It all worked in her favor for a time and would have continued to work were it not for the events that were set in motion once the car was towed.

 

[Balthazar]

While, I personally believe Casey is likely guilty, I do think it's important to separate out information that is not germaine to guilt from that which is. Specifically, I want to addresss Casey's partying/hot body contest behavior/boyfriends. I do not believe that these activities bear any relation to her guilt or innocence. As evidence of this, I submit this link to a case in which a young woman was wrongly convicted of murdering her husband in a great part due to her partying behavior in the wake of his death and also due to her inquiries regarding insurance and money. Cindy Sommers actually participated in a thong competition at a nightclub. She also slept with quite a number of men shortly after her husband's death who were all brought forth in the trial.

The prosecusion held that Cindys Sommers' husband had been poisoned by her with arsenic and showed test results depicting arsenic in his kidneys and liver. A defense expert testified that there should have been arsenic all over the husband's body, not just in the liver or kidneys as the prosecutions tests revealed and the fact that there was no evidence to indicate that Cindy Sommers had ever bought arsenic or been in contact with it and there was no one who knew her to have an unhappy marriage or any complaints about her husband.

I think the article below is very informative and shows how this kind of information can give a false impression about the truth of a situation in court.

http://insidedateline.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/04/25/945575.aspx

The conviction was reversed after if was discovered that the original prosecutory lab tests were completely incorrect and corrupted and on re-test that none of the samples taken from the husbands body contained any traces of arsenic whatsoever.

I suspect that the defense will successfully avoid the boyfriend/hot body contest/partying information from being presented at Casey's trial because Andrea Lyon won't allow that to be entered into evidence. Without all of that, we are left with:

Lab tests of trunk of car (still questionable after Linda Baden gets done with them)
Casey's squirrel info to AH and other text messages
Caylee's body and autopsy and related evidence
Casey's lies
Video of Casey at Blockbuster with TL on the evening of the day Caylee supposedly died looking fine.
TL's testimony about Casey's nightmares.
Internet searches on the Anthony home computer - no proof they were done by Casey
Financial crimes

What else is left in the way of evidence for the trial and does it really prove Casey is guilty?

 

[sharpar]

KC was incapable of living independently she had no internal or external resources . Her leaving, being independent, scott free were as much a fanasty as her event planner job and the nanny.

She didnt try harder to get away because she expected a much different scenerio
than what transpired. KC was truly shocked to be arrested and charged with
crimminal acts.

 

[Omachka]

While, I personally believe Casey is likely guilty, I do think it's important to separate out information that is not germaine to guilt from that which is. Specifically, I want to addresss Casey's partying/hot body contest behavior/boyfriends. I do not believe that these activities bear any relation to her guilt or innocence. As evidence of this, I submit this link to a case in which a young woman was wrongly convicted of murdering her husband in a great part due to her partying behavior in the wake of his death and also due to her inquiries regarding insurance and money. Cindy Sommers actually participated in a thong competition at a nightclub. She also slept with quite a number of men shortly after her husband's death who were all brought forth in the trial.

The prosecusion held that Cindys Sommers' husband had been poisoned by her with arsenic and showed test results depicting arsenic in his kidneys and liver. A defense expert testified that there should have been arsenic all over the husband's body, not just in the liver or kidneys as the prosecutions tests revealed and the fact that there was no evidence to indicate that Cindy Sommers had ever bought arsenic or been in contact with it and there was no one who knew her to have an unhappy marriage or any complaints about her husband.

I think the article below is very informative and shows how this kind of information can give a false impression about the truth of a situation in court.

http://insidedateline.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/04/25/945575.aspx

The conviction was reversed after if was discovered that the original prosecutory lab tests were completely incorrect and corrupted and on re-test that none of the samples taken from the husbands body contained any traces of arsenic whatsoever.

I suspect that the defense will successfully avoid the boyfriend/hot body contest/partying information from being presented at Casey's trial because Andrea Lyon won't allow that to be entered into evidence. Without all of that, we are left with:

Lab tests of trunk of car (still questionable after Linda Baden gets done with them)
Casey's squirrel info to AH and other text messages
Caylee's body and autopsy and related evidence
Casey's lies
Video of Casey at Blockbuster with TL on the evening of the day Caylee supposedly died looking fine.
TL's testimony about Casey's nightmares.
Internet searches on the Anthony home computer - no proof they were done by Casey
Financial crimes

What else is left in the way of evidence for the trial and does it really prove Casey is guilty?

Interesting article and I agree that there must be other evidence besides the partying. Along with what you listed, I can think of 3 other things right offhand that are very bad for the defense:

1. Not reporting child missing.. ever. CA is the one who reported her missing.
2. Smell of death in car (witnessed by the tow yard company and GA as well as showing up in testing)
3. Cadaver Dogs hitting on car and in yard

In the Sommers case there was only the partying evidence so that without it the case fell.. in this case there is much more and the partying is only added to the rest. I just don't think KC partying is the most important evidence the state and the case is still looking bad for the defense even if the partying is removed. JMO, of course.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

I suspect that the defense will successfully avoid the boyfriend/hot body contest/partying information from being presented at Casey's trial because Andrea Lyon won't allow that to be entered into evidence. Without all of that, we are left with:

Lab tests of trunk of car (still questionable after Linda Baden gets done with them)
Casey's squirrel info to AH and other text messages
Caylee's body and autopsy and related evidence
Casey's lies
Video of Casey at Blockbuster with TL on the evening of the day Caylee supposedly died looking fine.
TL's testimony about Casey's nightmares.
Internet searches on the Anthony home computer - no proof they were done by Casey
Financial crimes

What else is left in the way of evidence for the trial and does it really prove Casey is guilty?

S&BBM.

The fact that the latest doc dump shows that the bags Caylee's body were in matched two from the Anthony home. One was in a cooler stacked up somewhere in the garage and the second was one that Cindy gave LE with Casey's clothes (from the car). :woohoo:

 

[CuriousTwo]

I agree that the outward behavior alone is not enough. In this case, it's my hope that the forensic evidence combined with all the rest will hopefully convince the jury.

 

[CBTampa]

You know with all the evidence that is stack up against KC and whether the pics of her do or do not come in as evidence. It doesn't matter. I think that the juriors will be using a lot of common sense in this case when they finally get to decide the case.

Who with all the players in this case would murder a sweet adorable just under 3 year old toddler like Caylee. There is no one that would have a motive. Can you think of any? If KC and company think so, why don't they point the finger now instead of taking this all the way to trial and wasting everyones' time and money? It is just logical.

I think of all the murders that are in the news right now...there must be a lot of people sitting in jail that are innocent because they are all deyning it.

 

[Searchfortruth]

While, I personally believe Casey is likely guilty, I do think it's important to separate out information that is not germaine to guilt from that which is. Specifically, I want to addresss Casey's partying/hot body contest behavior/boyfriends. I do not believe that these activities bear any relation to her guilt or innocence. As evidence of this, I submit this link to a case in which a young woman was wrongly convicted of murdering her husband in a great part due to her partying behavior in the wake of his death and also due to her inquiries regarding insurance and money. Cindy Sommers actually participated in a thong competition at a nightclub. She also slept with quite a number of men shortly after her husband's death who were all brought forth in the trial.

The prosecusion held that Cindys Sommers' husband had been poisoned by her with arsenic and showed test results depicting arsenic in his kidneys and liver. A defense expert testified that there should have been arsenic all over the husband's body, not just in the liver or kidneys as the prosecutions tests revealed and the fact that there was no evidence to indicate that Cindy Sommers had ever bought arsenic or been in contact with it and there was no one who knew her to have an unhappy marriage or any complaints about her husband.

I think the article below is very informative and shows how this kind of information can give a false impression about the truth of a situation in court.

http://insidedateline.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/04/25/945575.aspx

The conviction was reversed after if was discovered that the original prosecutory lab tests were completely incorrect and corrupted and on re-test that none of the samples taken from the husbands body contained any traces of arsenic whatsoever.

I suspect that the defense will successfully avoid the boyfriend/hot body contest/partying information from being presented at Casey's trial because Andrea Lyon won't allow that to be entered into evidence. Without all of that, we are left with:

Lab tests of trunk of car (still questionable after Linda Baden gets done with them)
Casey's squirrel info to AH and other text messages
Caylee's body and autopsy and related evidence
Casey's lies
Video of Casey at Blockbuster with TL on the evening of the day Caylee supposedly died looking fine.
TL's testimony about Casey's nightmares.
Internet searches on the Anthony home computer - no proof they were done by Casey
Financial crimes

What else is left in the way of evidence for the trial and does it really prove Casey is guilty?

In Cindy S.'s case the after death weird behavior was pretty much all the prosecution had though, right ?

In Casey's case, I view the partying after the death to be a piece of the puzzle that shows her guilt, just a piece. IMO, that is what makes the case so strong against Casey, all the "pieces" of the puzzle they have against her does make for a pretty complete picture. One piece of circumstantial evidence usually is not much, but when you have enough of it, it can be more convincing than a piece of direct evidence (eye witnesses have been wrong). I really can't point to another case, that I know of, where the evidence, when put together, tells the story as completely as it does in this case.

I don't think AL will be able to keep the behavior of Casey out of evidence as it speaks to her demeanor, after Caylee was "kidnapped by the nanny". Casey's story was that Caylee was taken from her, so her behavior after that will have great relevance, IMO. It is not as if the state is relying only on these party pics to convict Casey.

You listed the other evidence in your post, but even with the trunk of the car we have more than the lab tests. We have a seasoned homicide Detective that testify's to the smell of human decomposition in that trunk, we have cadaver dogs alerting to the trunk, we have the Grandparent's statements that the smell was similar to the smell of a dead body AND we have the lab tests.

I don't think the state needs anything else to convict Casey, but if they do have more, (and they probably do) I don't see a jury coming back with anything less than a guilty verdict.