Random Thoughts and Discussion Ideas#6 About the Case

[chefmom]

I completely agree.

I also want to add - as a juror, I would focus on 4 things:

1 - 31 days without reporting daughter missing
2- partying during those days
3- lying to the cops, including the telling lie about the phone call rec'd from Caylee
4- I know this is minor and most people dont even mention it - but knotting the Where is Caylee t-shirt BUGGED ME A LOT. When your daughter is missing, you aren't concerned about how the t-shirt fits you and makes you look. Oh it bugged me so much. And also that first video of her in the blue shirt she bought at Target. That smug look. That video tells it all, IMO.

ITA with all of the above! Though I hadn't paid too much attention to the knot in the shirt, I do know what you mean! It bothered me to no end that she even dared to put it on in the first place! It made me mad every time I saw her in it! I'd also like to add that, as a juror, the first audio tape of the phone call from jail when she says "They just want to get Caylee back!" but she says it as though it was a bad thing speaks volumes about where her priorities were! JMO of course!

 

[Mare10]

Wonder what evidence will be thrown out via the defense

That is the question that has been really bugging me. For the life of me, I cannot find one defense for KC. It's all so bizarre yet so clear, they should just throw in the towel. There is not one single thing that she did or said that makes me think twice, IMO, she is guilty as all get out. Every scenario that I can think up is ridiculous but then again I think she and her family are as well. I sure don't want to help the defense, but my mind is spinning. Innocent, I don't think (know) so! Can't wait to see what they have to put before the court.:crazy:

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

That is the question that has been really bugging me. For the life of me, I cannot find one defense for KC. It's all so bizarre yet so clear, they should just throw in the towel. There is not one single thing that she did or said that makes me think twice, IMO, she is guilty as all get out. Every scenario that I can think up is ridiculous but then again I think she and her family are as well. I sure don't want to help the defense, but my mind is spinning. Innocent, I don't think (know) so! Can't wait to see what they have to put before the court.:crazy:

I don't think they will present any real "story" for their defense. As IRH has explained (if I understood properly) so much more eloquently than I ever could, they'll probably just pick away at each and every piece of evidence that the state presents. You know, all the detail stuff like chain of custody of evidence, details of testing procedures, reliability of forensic testing, etc, etc ad nauseum. . . And try to lead the jury to believe that state has not provided enough evidence.

And that's why I pray each juror brings their common sense with them!!!

 

[snow_walker]

I rather expect that KC will find a few more novel ways to shoot herself down before the trial is over. I don't think her lawyers will let her speak, be pretty dim if they did, but she will find something else to do make the point that she is both guilty and stupid.

Fall asleep as they are showing the jury pictures of poor little Caylees remains, or laugh out loud as someone goes on about the smell in the car.. something about that witless.

 

[RR0004]

Random thought...just read the motion to go forward on the forgery charges...it mentions there was a pretrial conference on December 11th. I don't remember that...this was the same day Caylee's remains were found. Casey didn't have to be at pretrial conferences? I guess the news of that day numbed me to all other news.

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19859813/detail.html

 

[metalcrystal]

ITA with all of the above! Though I hadn't paid too much attention to the knot in the shirt, I do know what you mean! It bothered me to no end that she even dared to put it on in the first place! It made me mad every time I saw her in it! I'd also like to add that, as a juror, the first audio tape of the phone call from jail when she says "They just want to get Caylee back!" but she says it as though it was a bad thing speaks volumes about where her priorities were! JMO of course!

That she was wearing the shirt, the whole charade of what she and her parents were saying was an offense to society in general. It made my blood boil. And as for the phone call, the worst thing of all, and the whole phone call was pretty damning, but when Christina was crying about Caylee, and Casey said "oh well", in this snarky sarcastic way, I knew right that second she was guilty and I hope the jurors hear it too. I didn't catch it at first but as I listened again I heard it. This phone call is where we saw the REAL Casey Anthony.

 

[Tuffy]

That she was wearing the shirt, the whole charade of what she and her parents were saying was an offense to society in general. It made my blood boil. And as for the phone call, the worst thing of all, and the whole phone call was pretty damning, but when Christina was crying about Caylee, and Casey said "oh well", in this snarky sarcastic way, I knew right that second she was guilty and I hope the jurors hear it too. I didn't catch it at first but as I listened again I heard it. This phone call is where we saw the REAL Casey Anthony.

I completely agree with your entire post. The family, and KC especially prancing around with the Caylee is missing tee shirts was so offensive. That is why the citizens of Orlando showed up to protest outside their house.

 

[YellowSubmarine]

That she was wearing the shirt, the whole charade of what she and her parents were saying was an offense to society in general. It made my blood boil. And as for the phone call, the worst thing of all, and the whole phone call was pretty damning, but when Christina was crying about Caylee, and Casey said "oh well", in this snarky sarcastic way, I knew right that second she was guilty and I hope the jurors hear it too. I didn't catch it at first but as I listened again I heard it. This phone call is where we saw the REAL Casey Anthony.

ITA - After re-reading the early interviews with GA, they KNEW what had happened. They absolutely knew. Put that with the fact they NEVER once searched for Caylee and the fact KC NEVER even asked about the search for her . . . I wish one of those protesters would've ripped those shirts off their lying bodies!

What a slap in the face to all those families of truly missing children. I can see why RonC passed on their "help" and I hope anyone else they try to "help" in the future does the same.

I just can't imagine what poor little Caylee must be thinking looking down from heaven. "My mommy murdered me and Nan and JoJo are saying it's ok". So heartbreaking :furious:

 

[affinity]

Young people want to leave home and begin their own lives beginning at 17 and 18 (mostly earlier but our society likes people to finish high school). Here is KC "incapable" of doing just that but hanging with people who did manage to break away from home. TL, the boyfriend at the time had plans and aspirations. KC's "plan" was always to glom onto someone (like him) to make a break from her parents. I sure don't understand why KC wasn't better at this than she was! She could have "glommed" onto someone with some $$ but instead she hung with tattoo artists and disc jockeys. (Well..At LEAST they supported themselves, however...and she probably admired that).

I guess my random thought is about KC wanting to leave home --like all young people want to do--but Cindy did what she could to thwart the break. It was Cindy's job to prepare KC for adulthood. She did a miserable job!

 

[metalcrystal]

ITA - After re-reading the early interviews with GA, they KNEW what had happened. They absolutely knew. Put that with the fact they NEVER once searched for Caylee and the fact KC NEVER even asked about the search for her . . . I wish one of those protesters would've ripped those shirts off their lying bodies!

What a slap in the face to all those families of truly missing children. I can see why RonC passed on their "help" and I hope anyone else they try to "help" in the future does the same.

I just can't imagine what poor little Caylee must be thinking looking down from heaven. "My mommy murdered me and Nan and JoJo are saying it's ok". So heartbreaking :furious:

Yeah that was the first time I actually liked RC. It took some nerve to stand up to the Anthony BS train.

 

[LambChop]

ITA - After re-reading the early interviews with GA, they KNEW what had happened. They absolutely knew. Put that with the fact they NEVER once searched for Caylee and the fact KC NEVER even asked about the search for her . . . I wish one of those protesters would've ripped those shirts off their lying bodies!

What a slap in the face to all those families of truly missing children. I can see why RonC passed on their "help" and I hope anyone else they try to "help" in the future does the same.

I just can't imagine what poor little Caylee must be thinking looking down from heaven. "My mommy murdered me and Nan and JoJo are saying it's ok". So heartbreaking :furious:

I believe the only search they did was in the back yard and the playhouse when they had gotten the car back. So why would they say they did not believe their granddaughter was deceased, when they searched their property looking for her body. When no body was found on their property they suddenly went into clean up and protect mode.

 

[CuriousTwo]

My random thought that I can't seem to shake is wondering if CA's obsession with cleanliness of her home, belongings, lawn, etc. has any other meaning or significance. I guess what I'm wondering is if she was constantly focused on keeping things picture-perfect in the home because the family unit itself wasn't picture-perfect?

There have been times when I've been stressed and felt that I had no control of things (such as work-related) and I found that if I cleaned house, I felt that at least I had one area that was within my control. But, I can't imagine keeping my home pristine knowing that one of my family members is missing - that would be the last thing on my mind.

There have also been those instances of CA and/or the family cleaning things that should have been left alone - clothing from the car, the car itself (can't recall if that's speculation or confirmed), staging Casey's and Caylee's bedrooms, etc.

But, if cleaning was indeed one of her full-time obsessions, is that an underlying symptom of any other type of disorder?

Thanks for letting me ramble!

 

[essies]

If Cindy was my neighbor she could come over and clean my house! Her and her daughter have made keeping a clean house quite a chore!:doh:
Hey, if the foundation thing doesn't work out for them-maybe they could open a cleaning service! My gosh-they'll even make sure you don't have any fingerprints in your house!

 

[Tuba]

Not only house cleaning but George and Cindy moved & transplanted that large flowering plant, possibly a hibiscus. It was a very strange time to do that as well and suspicious.

 

[MAMABEAR]

Not only house cleaning but George and Cindy moved & transplanted that large flowering plant, possibly a hibiscus. It was a very strange time to do that as well and suspicious.

Can you please tell me about that incidence. I member hearing somethang about it but never heard the whole story. TIA

 

[CuriousTwo]

I think GA/CA mentioned it to Greta when they did the walk-thru interview of the exterior and interior of the house. I'll see if I can find it.

 

[essies]

Not only house cleaning but George and Cindy moved & transplanted that large flowering plant, possibly a hibiscus. It was a very strange time to do that as well and suspicious.

GA also limed the yard! Can't remember exactly when though!:waitasec:

 

[kaRN]

My random thought that I can't seem to shake is wondering if CA's obsession with cleanliness of her home, belongings, lawn, etc. has any other meaning or significance. I guess what I'm wondering is if she was constantly focused on keeping things picture-perfect in the home because the family unit itself wasn't picture-perfect?

There have been times when I've been stressed and felt that I had no control of things (such as work-related) and I found that if I cleaned house, I felt that at least I had one area that was within my control. But, I can't imagine keeping my home pristine knowing that one of my family members is missing - that would be the last thing on my mind.

There have also been those instances of CA and/or the family cleaning things that should have been left alone - clothing from the car, the car itself (can't recall if that's speculation or confirmed), staging Casey's and Caylee's bedrooms, etc.

But, if cleaning was indeed one of her full-time obsessions, is that an underlying symptom of any other type of disorder?

Thanks for letting me ramble!

Excellent thoughts! OCD comes to mind. Might explain her inability to move through the grieving process. I've always thought the house didn't look like a 2 yo lived there full time at all. Even Caylee and Casey's rooms didn't look really lived in IMO.

 

[CuriousTwo]

Forgot all about the lime in the lawn.

And, OCD might explain it ... especially with having pets in the house - the house always looked spotless in interviews - table was shiny with no dull film, etc., which I'd expect for a household that has lost a family member. How do you even concentrate on cleaning or notice that something needs cleaning? I think most of us would do good to get dressed in a situation like that.

The reference to the hibiscus is here:

Have not seen Greta yet, but here is what I remember happening in the news about the back yard.

A hibiscus plant between the pool and the house was moved to another area of the yard, so that the pool box could be shoved against the house, rather than the pool, as KC could get into the pool by climbing on the box. CA explained it to Greta on a home tour. LE already knew about it. When LE saw it, they asked CA and GA about it and this is the answer they gave.

There was a seperate reporting about a depression in the back yard, location unknown. LE asked GA about it and GA said he had just recently noticed it himself. One might conclude that the depression was recent from this information and is not the previously mentioned dug -up plant spot.

There are aerial photos of the detectives and techs working the back yard. In particular there is an area in the playground corner where the evidence flags form an oval shape, looks to be about 3'x 2' and depressed.

5" deep x 12" inches long is not a large hole. My dog can do that in 10 seconds or less. In fact, we may have a reason for the hole. Dogs digging around the playhouse. I think the shovel was used as a lever to life the playhouse to retrieve the body on the 18th. I think she tried to use a piece of leftover board first, it broke causing her to ask to borrow BB's shovel and responsible for the white board sightings at the final dump site. (JMHO)

So, I have 3 total holes/depressions/plant removals.

From the “Hole/Soil Disturbance” thread:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78883&highlight=hibiscus&page=3

 

[chefmom]

My random thought that I can't seem to shake is wondering if CA's obsession with cleanliness of her home, belongings, lawn, etc. has any other meaning or significance. I guess what I'm wondering is if she was constantly focused on keeping things picture-perfect in the home because the family unit itself wasn't picture-perfect?
There have been times when I've been stressed and felt that I had no control of things (such as work-related) and I found that if I cleaned house, I felt that at least I had one area that was within my control. But, I can't imagine keeping my home pristine knowing that one of my family members is missing - that would be the last thing on my mind.

There have also been those instances of CA and/or the family cleaning things that should have been left alone - clothing from the car, the car itself (can't recall if that's speculation or confirmed), staging Casey's and Caylee's bedrooms, etc.

But, if cleaning was indeed one of her full-time obsessions, is that an underlying symptom of any other type of disorder?

Thanks for letting me ramble!

My bold. Yes, it would seem that CA is a little obsessed with material things and outward appearances more than she should be. These are not the important things in life. When my children were born, my godmother gave me a wall hanging, old and worn, but it had a little poem on it that, to me, was the foundation that I lived by while my children were with me. It stated that
"Cleaning and scrubbing can wait till tomorrow, for babies grow up, we've learned to our sorrow. So quiet down cobwebs, dust go to sleep! I'm rocking my baby! And babies don't keep!" I will be passing it to my daughter when she has her first. Too bad no one ever shared this little tidbit with CA!