Random Thoughts and Discussion Ideas#6 About the Case

[Brini]

Now that would be a great one to get in front of the jury ! If the defense turns out to be that Casey was "following orders" from the kidnappers or acting out of shock, those reports would come in handy to say that there were no signs of shock, fear when Casey talked about her missing daughter or she was emotionless when she recounted the events surrounding her daughter's "kidnapping". As we all know Casey doesn't DO emotion unless it's about her. I would love to see the initial psych eval.

Remember the part of the DCF report where Casey said she may get upset when she starts talking about her daughter, but when the conversation does roll around to Caylee there is no emotion, upset whatsoever ? But she does continue to lie about being employed at Universal, telling the DCF workers that OCSO got it all wrong.

Now, I wonder if Casey's story to them about Caylee's paternal Grandparents living in Italy and the deceased father having a trust fund set up will come in as well ?

Or, that Donald Trump is Caylee's father.

If KC had been "following orders" to protect Caylee, that would've endedx when Caylee's remains were found.

I'm guessing I know EXACTLY what the psych report says.

 

[Brini]

I am seriously doubting that, given CA's general reputation in her neighborhood (mentioned by the neighbor that gave the interview regarding Kio) that either CA trusted anyone in her neighborhood enough to give them a set, or that anyone they knew close by would want one.

JB can use a theory of other sets of keys to create doubt, but I don't think it will come under the definition of "reasonable" at this point in the game. CA and GA themselves have lied or changed their stories so much that I doubt even a receipt for a duplicate key would convince anyone. Even SODDI defenses have to have enough credibility to stand up against other evidence against the defendant (in this case overhwelming). The explanation of another key MIGHT have flown if they could have proven the existence of the imaginanny, but that whole story was hanging by a thread from its inception, despite the feeble and amateurish attempts of CA and GA to "corroborate" it later.

If you want to have a SODDI defense that even stands a chance in court, in addition to creating reasonable doubt with the theory itself (emphasis on reasonable), it always helps to sell it better to a jury if the defendant does not come across as a spoiled, remorseless, narcissistic thief who has an undisputed reputation as a pathological liar by her friends (has been accused of being a sociopath by other family members), and the defendant's parents do not, for the most part, behave in public as angry, entitled liars as well. I don't think a class A defense attorney could do much with this case, much less one that is up to his unqualified knees in a concomitant review of his own questionable ethics.

The "keys" thing wouldn't fly, even of the As DID give out keys.

KC drove around for days with the baby's decomposing body in the car, and lied about the source of the smell.

 

[Tuffy]

I am seriously doubting that, given CA's general reputation in her neighborhood (mentioned by the neighbor that gave the interview regarding Kio) that either CA trusted anyone in her neighborhood enough to give them a set, or that anyone they knew close by would want one.

JB can use a theory of other sets of keys to create doubt, but I don't think it will come under the definition of "reasonable" at this point in the game. CA and GA themselves have lied or changed their stories so much that I doubt even a receipt for a duplicate key would convince anyone. Even SODDI defenses have to have enough credibility to stand up against other evidence against the defendant (in this case overhwelming). The explanation of another key MIGHT have flown if they could have proven the existence of the imaginanny, but that whole story was hanging by a thread from its inception, despite the feeble and amateurish attempts of CA and GA to "corroborate" it later.

If you want to have a SODDI defense that even stands a chance in court, in addition to creating reasonable doubt with the theory itself (emphasis on reasonable), it always helps to sell it better to a jury if the defendant does not come across as a spoiled, remorseless, narcissistic thief who has an undisputed reputation as a pathological liar by her friends (has been accused of being a sociopath by other family members), and the defendant's parents do not, for the most part, behave in public as angry, entitled liars as well. I don't think a class A defense attorney could do much with this case, much less one that is up to his unqualified knees in a concomitant review of his own questionable ethics.

Exactly, and this family kept their garden shed locked up like Fort Knox, for crying out loud!

 

[Brini]

No...I mean could they then bring in her behavior...like partying? I'm thinking the initial evaluation may very well state she was detached.

Sociopaths tend to be detached.. unless THEY are threatened. THEN you see emotion.

When KC put the sticker on the baby'ws body, that was the "kiss off."

 

[The Eunice Burns]

I am seriously doubting that, given CA's general reputation in her neighborhood (mentioned by the neighbor that gave the interview regarding Kio) that either CA trusted anyone in her neighborhood enough to give them a set, or that anyone they knew close by would want one.

JB can use a theory of other sets of keys to create doubt, but I don't think it will come under the definition of "reasonable" at this point in the game. CA and GA themselves have lied or changed their stories so much that I doubt even a receipt for a duplicate key would convince anyone. Even SODDI defenses have to have enough credibility to stand up against other evidence against the defendant (in this case overhwelming). The explanation of another key MIGHT have flown if they could have proven the existence of the imaginanny, but that whole story was hanging by a thread from its inception, despite the feeble and amateurish attempts of CA and GA to "corroborate" it later.

If you want to have a SODDI defense that even stands a chance in court, in addition to creating reasonable doubt with the theory itself (emphasis on reasonable), it always helps to sell it better to a jury if the defendant does not come across as a spoiled, remorseless, narcissistic thief who has an undisputed reputation as a pathological liar by her friends (has been accused of being a sociopath by other family members), and the defendant's parents do not, for the most part, behave in public as angry, entitled liars as well. I don't think a class A defense attorney could do much with this case, much less one that is up to his unqualified knees in a concomitant review of his own questionable ethics.

:clap: BBM Your sentence I bolded is the sticky wicket for KC. She over reached with the lies and stories, and the phony identity and life she created for "Zanny". It's proof of that old wisdom, the more a person lies, the messier and more complicated it gets. If they try and go with a key theory, what a farce in the courtroom that will be that they can't produce "Zanny" who "had" a key. I just get this visual of JB and KC having a sit down to float defense theories, and OOPS! Brick wall there. Another one there. She can't get out of the maze of lies she constructed for herself.

 

[essies]

Sociopaths tend to be detached.. unless THEY are threatened. THEN you see emotion.

When KC put the sticker on the baby'ws body, that was the "kiss off."

ITA In KC's own twisted head-she's probably worked it out that she was forced to do what she did to Caylee! No guilt there!!:furious:

 

[Brini]

As I recall, it's the defense that claims it's damning and is opposed to its release - so evidently, her reaction would be detrimental to her defense. I'm sure the prosecution wouldn't be opposed to its release.

That speaks volumes as to what's on the video.

I think I heard from the talking heads that it was damning because:

1) She didn't show any emotion any of the OTHER times the (incorrect) news went out that maybe some remains had been found, and,

2) The symptoms she demonstrated were of an anxiety attack, not a grief reaction. Which suggests guilty knowledge.

 

[Brini]

I really thought the video was much ado about nothing until the JUDGE stated in his reply to JB's motion that the tape was "HIGHLY INFLAMMATORY "and would bias the jury pool towards Ms.Anthony's guilt [I'm paraphrasing].
If it was "They've killed her" I think JB would have been happy for the world to hear that.

Or, "Please, God, don't let it be my baby!"

 

[essies]

:clap: BBM Your sentence I bolded is the sticky wicket for KC. She over reached with the lies and stories, and the phony identity and life she created for "Zanny". It's proof of that old wisdom, the more a person lies, the messier and more complicated it gets. If they try and go with a key theory, what a farce in the courtroom that will be that they can't produce "Zanny" who "had" a key. I just get this visual of JB and KC having a sit down to float defense theories, and OOPS! Brick wall there. Another one there. She can't get out of the maze of lies she constructed for herself.

But, I can see CA saying "if there was a key for Zanny-there had to be a Zanny!":bang:
Oh and by the Way:seeya::Welcome-12-june:

 

[Brini]

And still even IF they are the exact same items from the A's home, there are more people with access to these items then just KC. GA, CA, LA, and anyone with a secret set of keys. Neighbors who may have had keys for trips or emergancies, any key left outside like a fake rock key holder. Ect
ALL of these were taken into account during the JBR investigation. You can believe JB will also be using it to create reasonable doubt.

The smoking guns are SO acrid that I seriously doubt anything less than a REAL elephant in the room would impress the jury in the slightest.

To whit:

1) 31 days
2) Dog hits (plural)
3) Lies, lies, lies, and deliberate misdirection
4) Decomp in the car.
5) KC driving with the decomposing body in the car for days and,
6) KC lying about the source of the smell

If JB stands up and says, "Well, maybe the Bushy Haired Man had a key," the jury with throw overripe bananas at him, and call the clown car to come pick him up.

 

[Brini]

There have been cases where they have scientifically matched trash bags as being made at the same time through striations throughout the plastic.The bags are on a roll and have the same striation pattern that is only found in that lot.Since the two bags they are comparing with DID come from the Anthony's home they can PROVE the bags Caylee was in came from the same box.It's been done.

That's how they tracked a guy who killed a woman and tossed her into the lake. The garbage bags. Just saw it on ID Channel.

 

[Brini]

Do you all feel that CA provided more financial support for Casey than she's admitting? Do you think that maybe CA gave Casey more money than she's admitted so far? This is another thing that's always seemed a little unsettling to me.

Yeah, I think she said she slipped KC a little green, now and then. very early on.

 

[Brini]

BBM: Circumstantial since they can not prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that KC was the ONLY person with access to the car/trunk. Family members, friends, & potentially lovers all could have accessed the trunk of that car. It IS possible.

The law doesn't say, "shadow of a doubt." It says, "reasonable doubt."

Somebody ELSE could have killed Scott Peterson's wife, too. But, all the evidence point STRAIGHT to him!

Sorry, but there's just TOO much evidence pointing to KC, and no one else.

Since Day One. (sorry, ;-)

 

[essies]

The smoking guns are SO acrid that I seriously doubt anything less than a REAL elephant in the room would impress the jury in the slightest.

To whit:

1) 31 days
2) Dog hits (plural)
3) Lies, lies, lies, and deliberate misdirection
4) Decomp in the car.
5) KC driving with the decomposing body in the car for days and,
6) KC lying about the source of the smell

If JB stands up and says, "Well, maybe the Bushy Haired Man had a key," the jury with throw overripe bananas at him, and call the clown car to come pick him up.

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:OMG-TOO FUNNY Brini-THANKS FOR THE LAUGH:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[The Eunice Burns]

But, I can see CA saying "if there was a key for Zanny-there had to be a Zanny!":bang:
Oh and by the Way:seeya::Welcome-12-june:

You're right. She would! :furious:

Thanks for the welcome!

 

[Brini]

What if the people who had taken Caylee or people who knew the people who took Caylee hung out in bars/nightclubs. Would you then go in search of the ADULTS responsible at the clubs? Try to gleen some info through the grapevine, as it were.

What if you really believed the kidnapping took place? What if they told you to act normally or they will kill Caylee, go about your normal life, ect. Many people have been told this by kidnappers, the real kind. Don't contact LE, Don't act untoward to anyone, if others ask questions tell them "...." ect.

Nobody "took" Caylee. There is no nanny. There was no kidnapping.

KC was entering Hot Body contests because she thinks it's fun. NOT because swhe was looking for the Invisinanny.

Nobody forced KC the rent to vids about kidnapping and murder on the probahly day of Caylee's murder, either.

 

[Brini]

Yesterday in the Target thread Sundance brought out the statement AH wrote for police.One section that surprised me a little was when AH said she decided she should check her own account since Cindy told her KC had hacked into her account over and over.I knew of the grandparents account,but not Cindy's.
I don't know if she gave KC a lot,but apparently KC took a lot. A lot more than CA was willing to say during the depo.

Yeah, CA said KC stole a lot of money, on her MySpace page. She took it down, but too many peeps copied it, first.

 

[Brini]

Yes...that's what they'll call it, "circumstantial"...the lab tests will be deemed "junk science" and they'll even try and convince the jury that Casey is the tooth fairy in disguise...but jurors will not check their brains at the door. Do you think when it comes time for sentencing the defense will come up with mitigating circumstances...such as abuse as a child?

They can TRY. I don't think it will fly.

 

[cecybeans]

Yeah, I think she said she slipped KC a little green, now and then. very early on.

She strikes me as the type of kid who did that to both her parents, and maybe even her brother. Was probably good at playing them off each other to make each one look like her special confidant or hero when necessary, to get her out of a temporary "bind".

It also looks like she might have been doing that with her friends with all that "omg, my gas gauge is broken, I forgot my wallet, do you have a couple of bucks I could borrow, a gas can" kind of lines that have sort of filtered through different interviews. She knew when she had crossed the line perhaps and then "bought" groceries to make it look like she was a "contributor".

When people caught on to that particular poor-me act, she probably went into stealth mode and just started stealing from them outright.

 

[Brini]

Didn't they prove that the trash bags were from the same batch in the Melanie McGuire Trial? Matched striae marks made during manufacture along with a lot of other scientific markers to prove they were were the same. I know this does not prove they came from the same home but the percentages of the bags coming from elsewhere were very low. This played a big part in helping the jury convict her since all the evidence was circumstantial.

The garbage bags were the smoking guns in several murder trials.