Random Thoughts and Ideas

[RevCrim]

"Originally Posted by Coley View Post
IMO she was not accounted for 6/9-6/14 unless she was seen for maybe 8 hours at the most."

You know, I don't know how often she was seen and by who on these dates? Would the calendar or time line that is on here somewhere tell us that? Would it be worth it to start a thread devoted to 'proven' sightings of Caylee during that time period? Guess I had better go check the calender and see what there is to see about this!

I like the idea of a thread on caylee sightings only- I can only account for her in my mind through the 13th of June- The 15th & 16th I'm just not sure of still.
I think a calender of where CA,GA and LA & girlfriend were is also important, for the month of June. So many lies- who do you trust?

 

[Macushla]

TonE, Casey and Caylee were at the Mall of Millinia (sorry about spelling) on either the 11th or 12th of June. AH says she say Caylee morning of 10th. Can not see, from the calendar any other 'proven' sighting of Caylee. Anyone else have anything? I guess we could go through Cindy's interview with LE, when she was 'helping them' with a timeline, but I don't know if they talk about dates priro to June 15th - and could we believe what she said, anyway?

 

[AlwaysShocked]

I don't know the State nursing laws specifically in Florida, but in most states conviction of a crime would endanger a nursing license.

So Cindy better watch her P's and Q's or she could find herself having a revoked or suspended nursing license.

But I guess she has a new one in the making anyways.

 

[not_my_kids]

6/9 Tony says that both Caylee and Casey spent several hours with him, they went to get his Jee fom the shop and then they went to Subway and back to the apartment to eat. Then she and caylee took off. -page 2380.

6/11 0r 6/12 Casey and Caylee go wit Tony to the Mall of Millenia so that he can promote the Hip Hop thingie at Fusion the 13th. Casey and Caylee shop while he hands out fliers, he then treats them to dinner at the Cheesecake Factory, head back to his house and that is the last time he sees Caylee.-page 2380

Admittedly neither of those was for more than a few hours. But that's what I have so far. It's taken from my notes, so I don't have links just page numbers, sorry.

 

[RevCrim]

Ricardo says Casey and Caylee spent the night with him June 9th, and they were both on his couch June 10th when he left for work.
One of the friends, maybe Kristine, said she, Casey, and Caylee went to some park around the 12th or 13th.
Casey was at Fusion June 6th. Other than that, I don't remember off the top of my head Casey was somewhere and Caylee was unaccounted for.
Lanie

Kaylee was alledgedly seen at AL's apartment by Nate on the afternoon of the 13th.

 

[Manny]

I keep dwelling on the ZG factor. Of course, I know she wasn't the nanny but I feel like if we can discover how KC got so much info about her that we would also discover other linked facts. And I try to analyze what we can deduce from the ZG/Sawgrass lie.
For example, some bare facts:
1. It absolutely cannot be a coincidence that there was a ZG that had been at Sawgrass.
2. So that means it was researched or planned.
3. So that means KC had to know in advance that she would need to have someone to point to as a scapegoat.
4. KC had to have access to ZG or personal information about her.
5. etc, etc . . . .

It seems like if we could take the key lies like this and strip them for bare bones and follow a line of logic we could come up with more possibilities. Any ideas along this line of thinking?

hmm , but her description of ZG was not anything like the woman who went to Sawgrass apts. The number of children was not the same. The sex of the children was not the same. I wondered about identity theft. Someone posing with that name. All of her tales to do sound like Alice in Wonderland but why would someone make up lies that could be disproved so quickly. I also wondered about the ID. Didn't they say she left her purse with ID in the car. Wasn't her spending spree after the car was missing and she was driving Tony's car? I think by the time this case is over we will all be as whacky as she is.

 

[Meemom]

Not to sure about this one. I know with my father regardless of flat tires and blah blah, I'd never be able to drive on my spare. My spare is a regular size tire but car's of older models have the tiny spare wheel like KC's. I don't think GA would take the chance of his precious grandchild and her mother driving around on a little wheel knowing of the risks associated of driving on such a thing.

http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1126/18155401.pdf
According to the interviews, one of the friends that helped when she got the 2 flats, said that they put KC's spare on and then tried to use someone else's spare, but it didn't fit.
http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1126/18155434.pdf
Troy says they got her spare on, couldn't fit RM's spare on, but then says she then tried driving with the flats, but only got a little ways. doesn't make sense that they would have put her spare on and then taken it back off and replaced it with one of the flats. LE didn't elaborate on this. Sounds more like she was wrecking the spare and the flat & rim

 

[Jolynna]

Originally Posted by Dutchie Treat
Here is one definition for MPD:

Multiple personality disorder (MPD) is a psychiatric disorder characterized by having at least one "alter" personality that controls behavior. The "alters" are said to occur spontaneously and involuntarily, and function more or less independently of each other. The unity of consciousness, by which we identify our selves, is said to be absent in MPD. Another symptom of MPD is significant amnesia which can't be explained by ordinary forgetfulness. In 1994, the American Psychiatric Association's DSM-IV replaced the designation of MPD with DID: dissociative identity disorder. The label may have changed, but the list of symptoms remained essentially the same.

Memory and other aspects of consciousness are said to be divided up among "alters" in the MPD. The number of "alters" identified by various therapists ranges from several to tens to hundreds. There are even some reports of several thousand identities dwelling in one person. There does not seem to be any consensus among therapists as to what an "alter" is. Yet, there is general agreement that the cause of MPD is repressed memories of childhood sexual abuse.

Casey wasn't delusional when she messaged her male friend talking about "her nanny" and asking for "dinner ideas" and "love advice" while at the same time being smart enough to keep people OUT of HER car so they wouldn't smell Caylee's remains.

I betcha not ONE friend was in Casey's car right before June 27. Casey also rationally told tell dead squirrel stories to anyone who happened to get near the Pontiac.

Casey was rational enough to get rid of Caylee's body. She knew better than to bring her smelly pants into Tony's apartment.

Casey didn't have amnesia when she cleaned out Amy's bank account for "back up" money.

Casey stayed in touch with Cindy to keep her from calling anyone (and to know what Cindy was doing). Her lies were cunning and dangled clever carrots..."I have a job in Jacksonville." "I'm hooking up with JH that you approve of."

Casey knew darn well she was really shacking up with Tony in Orlando. She was not deluded or hearing voices or another personality. She knew where she was, what she was doing and what had happened. Her actions and words prove it.

IMO, Casey killed Caylee because she was mad at her mother, obsessed with a man and Caylee was in the way.

IMO

 

[Anais]

Here is one definition for MPD:

Multiple personality disorder (MPD) is a psychiatric disorder characterized by having at least one "alter" personality that controls behavior. The "alters" are said to occur spontaneously and involuntarily, and function more or less independently of each other. The unity of consciousness, by which we identify our selves, is said to be absent in MPD. Another symptom of MPD is significant amnesia which can't be explained by ordinary forgetfulness. In 1994, the American Psychiatric Association's DSM-IV replaced the designation of MPD with DID: dissociative identity disorder. The label may have changed, but the list of symptoms remained essentially the same.

Memory and other aspects of consciousness are said to be divided up among "alters" in the MPD. The number of "alters" identified by various therapists ranges from several to tens to hundreds. There are even some reports of several thousand identities dwelling in one person. There does not seem to be any consensus among therapists as to what an "alter" is. Yet, there is general agreement that the cause of MPD is repressed memories of childhood sexual abuse.

I'm just throwing it out there for your consideration... in light of the recent allegations of possible sexual abuse by GA and/or LA.

Respectfully Snipped

I do realize that you're just "throwing it out there" so please do not take my post as just helpful info from an experienced person in this particular subject!

However I do want to clarify for others who may not know or completely understand about MPD. ( I have personal experience with MPD and DID (Disassociative Identity Disorder) MPD is an extremely rare psychological disorder. Ordinarily it is not brought on by such abuse as SA alone. I am not saying that SA isn't serious abuse that causes horrible psychological pain and suffering at all so please do not take offense! MPD and DID come about from the most horrible and ghastly extremes in abuse over very lengthy periods of time.

It is a compounding of many abuses over a long periods of time beginning in early childhood that causes a person to fracture. It is also most difficult to both diagnose and treat, and requires a trained set of both psychiatrists and psychologists working together in conjunction with both the patient and family. It can take many years for an individual to reintegrate and heal, and unfortunately for many they will have relapses and some may even require life long help with it.

 

[Coley]

http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1126/18155401.pdf
According to the interviews, one of the friends that helped when she got the 2 flats, said that they put KC's spare on and then tried to use someone else's spare, but it didn't fit.
http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1126/18155434.pdf
Troy says they got her spare on, couldn't fit RM's spare on, but then says she then tried driving with the flats, but only got a little ways. doesn't make sense that they would have put her spare on and then taken it back off and replaced it with one of the flats. LE didn't elaborate on this. Sounds more like she was wrecking the spare and the flat & rim

To me this makes no sense.

said that they put KC's spare on and then tried to use someone else's spare, but it didn't fit.

Huh? So who's did they put on? KC or someone else's?

 

[Coley]

hmm , but her description of ZG was not anything like the woman who went to Sawgrass apts. The number of children was not the same. The sex of the children was not the same. I wondered about identity theft. Someone posing with that name. All of her tales to do sound like Alice in Wonderland but why would someone make up lies that could be disproved so quickly. I also wondered about the ID. Didn't they say she left her purse with ID in the car. Wasn't her spending spree after the car was missing and she was driving Tony's car? I think by the time this case is over we will all be as whacky as she is.

I know this has been discussed before.

There was a woman in Brevard county with the same name. I found her version of events on a website where she posted that someone broke into her business on the 9th of June (same day KC said she last saw Caylee-which was a lie) and someone stole her identifications and computer. This is an hour away from Orlando at the beach.

This right here makes all the sense in the world.

 

[kageykaren]

I think I broke the KC code talking. On wed. moring about 9;00am I googled ( along with others) breakneck shovel, scorlled down reading all the different sites whe across my board in bold red print that googled ommitted one child site after chillingeffects.org reported it. This may or not have anything to do with Caylee anthony but 2 hr. later my search showed nothing about this and by now had a page & a half of casey anthony google searches. As I scrolled down the second page I found the site that was right above my orignal google search called, Lexical knowledge with verbs "breakneck shovel" I have a psych background so I typed in criminals using anaphoric language. OMG!!! This is a heavy read stick with it you will be amazed at the similarities to casey language. Try this site to help understand, Sociolinguislic Psycholinguistic Indication of Behavior disorders. Good Luck sluething! After studing everything concerning anaphric language in the last 48 hrs. I discovered as you will that LE up to CIA have linguist who have studied this form of communication. I guess I can calm down knowing Le are aware how to read between KC talk. I don't feel KC has a clue that they have caught on. It is going to be very telling at trial when her psych. eval comes into play. GA CA did"t fill out the psych questionair out for FBI. Now more than ever I would like to see school records. This find might helps understand hoe Caylee went missing if we could take alook at her verbs in her statements to LE.

 

[debs]

To me this makes no sense.

said that they put KC's spare on and then tried to use someone else's spare, but it didn't fit.

Huh? So who's did they put on? KC or someone else's?

She had TWO flats. She used her spare and one of Ric's....or tried to. Of course, once that spare tire was removed from the wheel well on May 24th, there's no telling if it ever got put back in there.

 

[BigFatMommyDog]

I know this has been discussed before.

There was a woman in Brevard county with the same name. I found her version of events on a website where she posted that someone broke into her business on the 9th of June (same day KC said she last saw Caylee-which was a lie) and someone stole her identifications and computer. This is an hour away from Orlando at the beach.

This right here makes all the sense in the world.

Actually, she's a journalist with one of the local florida news sources (can't recall off the top of my head). She wrote in a column or feature called "Brevard Mom's" ... the break-in was well publicized and happened in early June (weekend of the 7th or so iirc). I actually think that fellow with the streaming website contacted her at one point regarding this coincidence(though it is all running together right now).

So in addition to being burgled, she was writing about parenting issues. I don't know -- always seemed like she surely could have been the "model" for the "Zanny" embellishments which seemed to only come to light after Caylee went missing -- after the break in. I don't think Zanny had a last name until then....

 

[debs]

I know this has been discussed before.

There was a woman in Brevard county with the same name. I found her version of events on a website where she posted that someone broke into her business on the 9th of June (same day KC said she last saw Caylee-which was a lie) and someone stole her identifications and computer. This is an hour away from Orlando at the beach.

This right here makes all the sense in the world.

Amy and Ric put Casey and Caylee at their apartment on June 9-10. Says she stayed overnight, saw them leave the next morning.

 

[BigFatMommyDog]

I think I broke the KC code talking. On wed. moring about 9;00am I googled ( along with others) breakneck shovel, scorlled down reading all the different sites whe across my board in bold red print that googled ommitted one child site after chillingeffects.org reported it. This may or not have anything to do with Caylee anthony but 2 hr. later my search showed nothing about this and by now had a page & a half of casey anthony google searches. As I scrolled down the second page I found the site that was right above my orignal google search called, Lexical knowledge with verbs "breakneck shovel" I have a psych background so I typed in criminals using anaphoric language. OMG!!! This is a heavy read stick with it you will be amazed at the similarities to casey language. Try this site to help understand, Sociolinguislic Psycholinguistic Indication of Behavior disorders. Good Luck sluething! After studing everything concerning anaphric language in the last 48 hrs. I discovered as you will that LE up to CIA have linguist who have studied this form of communication. I guess I can calm down knowing Le are aware how to read between KC talk. I don't feel KC has a clue that they have caught on. It is going to be very telling at trial when her psych. eval comes into play. GA CA did"t fill out the psych questionair out for FBI. Now more than ever I would like to see school records. This find might helps understand hoe Caylee went missing if we could take alook at her verbs in her statements to LE.

Kagey, this sounds fascinating, and I'd like to look at this regardless of its potential relevence to this case. However, I am a bit lost. Could you cite a specifc link, or series of search protocols so I can look at it? Should I google Lexical knowledge...or S P I of Behavior disorders???? TIA

 

[Coley]

Actually, she's a journalist with one of the local florida news sources (can't recall off the top of my head). She wrote in a column or feature called "Brevard Mom's" ... the break-in was well publicized and happened in early June (weekend of the 7th or so iirc). I actually think that fellow with the streaming website contacted her at one point regarding this coincidence(though it is all running together right now).

So in addition to being burgled, she was writing about parenting issues. I don't know -- always seemed like she surely could have been the "model" for the "Zanny" embellishments which seemed to only come to light after Caylee went missing -- after the break in. I don't think Zanny had a last name until then....

This is exactly the website. I 1st came across it in the end of July.

 

[Coley]

Amy and Ric put Casey and Caylee at their apartment on June 9-10. Says she stayed overnight, saw them leave the next morning.

This still doesn't discount the fact that someone might have sold this stuff and KC ended up with it. Anyone can sneak out without others knowing. I've done it before.

 

[BigFatMommyDog]

This is exactly the website. I 1st came across it in the end of July.

I remember finding it at the same time. so much has happened since then that I hesitate to draw any conclusions from it. However, at the time I recall thinking --- fairly accessible if not high profile internet/print journalist who writes about Mommy issues gets burgled. It seemed to me that this "Perfect Mommy" persona was something she could have easily co-oped. In addition, the whole Blanchard Park murder thing happened around the same time (I think that was part of the website posting I saw). These incidents certainly could have been cherry picked and cobbled by Casey's into her continuiously evolving mythology. Especially with her early vehement adherence to the "June 9th" scenarios -- perfect timing, eh?

 

[DotsEyes]

I have not been able to get the fact that Caylee would count to 45 in Spanish out of my head. It is mentioned in 2 places, one in the "new things about Caylee: stuff on the "missing" website and I read it somewhere else in the documents.

Now, I do not for a second believe that the child was actually "counting" but rather was repeating words she heard. Who taught her this? WS'rs with little ones emphatically state that "Dora the Explorer" does not teach numbers this high. No one has claimed to have been the one to teach the child the sounds.

For whatever reason, I have been trying to think of a situation where someone else would be counting things in Spanish. As in someone counting $1 bills all day.

Maybe someone can tell me the going rate for certain drugs in Orlando. I think "drugs" because many drug dealers are paid in $1 bills. This has me thinking that Caylee was left in a drug house and listened to people counting $1 bills all day and this was her Nanny.

If not drugs, then some other kind of cash business where the "item" being sold or paid for was $45.

Anyone have any ideas? How much is XTC? Oxycontin? Pot? Xanax?

I only think this because kids at this age learn by imitating speech sounds. Perhaps Caylee was around someone who was continuously counting to 45 in Spanish. No one ever mentioned that she could also count to 45 in English.

Just a thought and not a very good one as I have nothing to base it on.