Ransom Note and Calls to the Boss

[Clue Hopper]

I certainly do not mean to imply anything about AB here that isn't true so don't take it as such please. I can't find links at the moment.

If I'm not mistaken I believe the boss described AB in a favorable manner, yet being slow was implied or said. Someone else, I think BB made the reference to slow. (Either gullible or something else.) We know in the months prior money had become some what of a desperation. What if AB was led to think something completely different then what was right in front of his eyes? Just thinking right now.

 

[Donjeta]

He could be making a point to mention the dog because it is important to establish that they were asleep when the fire started. Bonus points for the investigators not being able to interrogate the dog.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

He could be making a point to mention the dog because it is important to establish that they were asleep when the fire started. Bonus points for the investigators not being able to interrogate the dog.

Then why not say, "We woke up. The dog woke US up."? He changes it to "me" for a reason!

( LOL...I'm not pondering this any more tonight. If I do my head will explode!)

 

[SherlockHomey]

I still think the fire (to that extent) was accidental.

I think Z was already dead and disposed of, when the fire dept call was made. AB didn't know Z was not there (she's sick in her room so don't bother her says EB). She was trying to burn some of the evidence while AB was asleep and in bed. The fire got out of hand.

Remember (1) comforter, (1) sheet and (2) pillows were found in the Tahoe on Sunday, 10/10/10 per the search warrant. I think she was burning some of Z's clothing and the fire spread out of control. (Per search warrant, they recovered (4) "burnt samples" from the Tahoe). AB was asleep the entire time and didn't know what was going on. Why did EB call and not AB? Because he was really asleep when the fire started?

The fire scared her because she knew the cops were coming and she had the evidence in the cars after already disposing of Zahra. So she tried to throw gas on these cars to burn the evidence so police would not find it. It didn't catch fire though.

I also think the gas in the car was an afterthought, after all, the passports were in the car, she wouldn't want to burn those! Which brings me to why were the passports and "paperwork" (what is this "paperwork" contained in the search warrant with the passports?")

The ransom note is what is throwing me off. Maybe EB did plan to kidnap the bosses daughter to get some $$ to hightail it out of town (with her passport and take AB's passport with her) after she had already killed and disposed of Zahra. This would leave Adam in the country without a passport and possibly be suspect of a kidnapping and murder. She would be long gone.

I know this has a lot of holes in it but I think it could be one theory.

Z was gone already when the FD came and EB was afraid they would find out she was gone. So maybe the ransom note was a last minute thought if the cops were coming out with the FD, just in case someone did ask about her. (backup plan)

AB did not know about the ransom note and after they left, she told him Z died of natural causes and he was in the country illegally so she didn't want him to be deported and accused of neglect so she "took care of" her disposal. She told AB he had to call in a kidnapping (hence his hesitation etc)

AB was completely at her mercy at that time because the plan had already been set into motion and he didn't have the balls or she was going to beat him up, get him deported or whatever if he didn't go along with it.

*sigh*

 

[SherlockHomey]

On the Sunday of 10/10/10 at 12:00 hours, already considered it a crime scene.

Search warrant stated they would be looking for "blood or body fluids, photographs of the crime scene". So LE already knew she was dead? How did they know this? Did the burnt samples contain kids clothing?

 

[Clue Hopper]

OT, I had not read about the Ohio murders until a few mins. ago. If you have not yet, please read about it. Some very similar things in that to this case. IMO.

 

[CarmelEyesD]

If it were a choice between AB and EB as to who was sitting on the steps flicking a lighter-I can see AB being hesitant or 'thinking about it'-flicking a lighter while debating what he is about to do. I don't see EB being thoughtful about it-I think she would just 'do it'.

ETA I am not implying any guilt (or not guilt) on AB's part..this is just my opinion and my observation on the 'flicking lighter'..

 

[SherlockHomey]

If it were a choice between AB and EB as to who was sitting on the steps flicking a lighter-I can see AB being hesitant or 'thinking about it'-flicking a lighter while debating what he is about to do. I don't see EB being thoughtful about it-I think she would just 'do it'.

They could have been flicking it to light cigarettes.

 

[SherlockHomey]

OT, I had not read about the Ohio murders until a few mins. ago. If you have not yet, please read about it. Some very similar things in that to this case. IMO.

Do you have a link? Thanks!

 

[Mountain_Kat]

On the Sunday of 10/10/10 at 12:00 hours, already considered it a crime scene.

Search warrant stated they would be looking for "blood or body fluids, photographs of the crime scene". So LE already knew she was dead? How did they know this? Did the burnt samples contain kids clothing?

Okay, I don't recall that from the copy of search warrant I have. Now you're making me take a second look. I hope you're happy. :croc:

 

[SherlockHomey]

Okay, I don't recall that from the copy of search warrant I have. Now you're making me take a second look. I hope you're happy. :croc:

It's under the heading "Evidence To Be Seized", above "Statement of Probably Cause".

 

[SherlockHomey]

 

[tlcya]

I think that is pretty standard for a warrant investigating a crime. They try to be specific enough to suit the judge (who won't let you be overbroad in most cases) and yet vague enough so that it names the most common types of physical evidence that may be available at our typical crime scene.

ETA I don't think that wording on the warrant describes what was found, but rather describes the common evidence types that you would be looking for at mosts any type of crime scene, plus accelerants because of the fire angle. I would not take it to mean that LE expects to find evidence of murder. I think they expected to find physcial evidence left behind by the perpatrator of the arson.

 

[lauriej]

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Remember (1) comforter, (1) sheet and (2) pillows were found in the Tahoe on Sunday, 10/10/10 per the search warrant.


*sigh*

...i read the search warrant differently.

...page 6
I, the undersigned officer executed a search of:

Person,Premises,or Vehicle Searched:

21-21st.Ave. NW Hickory/ '96 Chevy Tahoe/ '90 Toyota Camry/ '05 Chevy
Impala

...page 8
I, the undersigned officer executed a search of:

Person,Premises,or Vehicle Searched:

'96 Chevy Tahoe / '90 Toyota Camry

...IMO the numerous items taken, on page 6 of the warrant, came from any of--- the house/the tahoe/the camry and the impala.

http://www.wbtv.com/global/link.asp?l=460807 search warrant.

 

[SherlockHomey]

...i read the search warrant differently.

...page 6
I, the undersigned officer executed a search of:

Person,Premises,or Vehicle Searched:

21-21st.Ave. NW Hickory/ '96 Chevy Tahoe/ '90 Toyota Camry/ '05 Chevy
Impala

...page 8
I, the undersigned officer executed a search of:

Person,Premises,or Vehicle Searched:

'96 Chevy Tahoe / '90 Toyota Camry

...IMO the numerous items taken, on page 6 of the warrant, came from any of--- the house/the tahoe/the camry and the impala.

http://www.wbtv.com/global/link.asp?l=460807 search warrant.

On the first page it was said only the vehicles were searched and the items taken from them. All say search and then see Attachment 01. Attachment 01 lists the vehicles? It also lists Arson and kidnapping as the possible crime.

 

[Clue Hopper]

Do you have a link? Thanks!

Here it is.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101120/ap_on_re_us/us_ohio_family_missing

 

[tlcya]

On the Sunday of 10/10/10 at 12:00 hours, already considered it a crime scene.

Search warrant stated they would be looking for "blood or body fluids, photographs of the crime scene". So LE already knew she was dead? How did they know this? Did the burnt samples contain kids clothing?

as to the BBM - It was a crime scene. Arson is a crime. The ransom note made it a possible kidnapping, which is also a crime. There turns out there is a child reported missing by her parents. Also a crime. I don't think LE thought she was dead at that point, but that is just my own interpretation.

I am always fascinated at how sleuths can all read a document or see a batch of clues, and interpret them so differently. That is what I love about posting on WS.

 

[Hamsterdance]

Here it is.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101120/ap_on_re_us/us_ohio_family_missing

There is a thread here about it as well:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=120336&page=8

 

[lauriej]

SherlockHomey:"On the first page it was said only the vehicles were searched and the items taken from them. All say search and then see Attachment 01. Attachment 01 lists the vehicles? It also lists Arson and kidnapping as the possible crime."

...i have solved the mystery of the search warrant.

...printing it out, it made much more sense----there's a lot of information on that document! ( especially looking at it all laid out. )

...page 1 does have circled -- the vehicles searched,and "attatched inventory".
( that "vehicle "attached inventory" though--is on page 8 and 9 ).

(the house/vehicle/vehicle/vehicle inventory--is on page 6 and 7 ).

...attatchment 1, is 3 pages long, and is a request for a search warrant--along with a detailed probable cause report -- to search those 2 vehicles for:

1. Any hair, fibers, blood or body fluids ,photographs of the crime scene.
2. Any evidence of accelerants used in the commission of the crime of arson


search warrant.

page 6.
In the matter of: 21-21st. Ave NW Hickory
( house/tahoe/camry/impala )

Date of Search: 10/09/10 - 10/10/10

Inventory of Items Seized Pursuant to Search:

---------page full of numerous items--------

page 7
As no person was present, I left a copy of this inventory:
X In the premises searched, identified on the reverse.

~ ~ ~

page 8.
In the matter of: '96 Chevy Tahoe, '90 Toyota Camry

Date of Search: 10/10/10 - 10/11/10

Inventory of Items Seized Pursuant to Search:

---photographs of both vehicles, centre console of Tahoe
(3) swabs possible blood, from '96 Tahoe.

page 9
As no person was present, I left a copy of this inventory:
X In the vehicle searched, identified on the reverse.

----which of course still leaves us not really knowing where exactly ( house or one of the 3 vehicles, those items on page 6 came from, since it's not specified. )

http://www.wbtv.com/global/link.asp?l=460807

 

[westsidefox64]

everytime I see the search warrant brought up I still think the 4 burnt things were a pink jacket,bowl of green veggi matter drug P and menu...I think the pink jacket is what made them know Z was dead..My biggest question is was it Zs jacket or EBs. I almost think it was EBs and covered with blood. Only thing that makes me doubt it is would the dark goth vampire wear a pink jacket???Could be why she was arrested instead of AB. JMO