Ransom Note and Calls to the Boss

[LiveLaughLuv]

I certainly do not mean to imply anything about AB here that isn't true so don't take it as such please. I can't find links at the moment.

If I'm not mistaken I believe the boss described AB in a favorable manner, yet being slow was implied or said. Someone else, I think BB made the reference to slow. (Either gullible or something else.) We know in the months prior money had become some what of a desperation. What if AB was led to think something completely different then what was right in front of his eyes? Just thinking right now.

BBM...AB was describled as naive and gullible...

This woman is clearly off her proverbial rocker. Or is she? Could it be she's a creative and incredibly devious woman instead? The twist in this situation goes deeper.

Up until just about five months ago, Elisa and Adam Baker, along with Zahra, lived in a trailer park, just five doors down from Elisa's ex-husband Aaron Young. A neighbor reports that Elisa told neighbors....and Adam and Zahra Baker, that Young was her brother.

“She told us Aaron was her brother,” said Bobby Green, a neighbor who lived next door to the Bakers in the trailer park. “They (Adam and Elisa) were up there quite a bit – like they were a regular family."

Bobby Green went on to explain that Elisa Baker had the whole trailer park convinced that she and Young were siblings. Once Green actually discovered the truth, however, the Baker's started making plans to move almost immediately. He never had the opportunity to speak privately with Adam Baker about the real relationship between Elisa Baker and Aaron Young, because he says Elisa never let Adam out of her sight. Green also said something that lends itself to the kind of person Adam Baker may in fact truly be.

"Adam was gullible and went along with everything she said. He was just somebody else to manipulate, that’s how I see it," he said.

That is exactly the persona that Elisa baker exudes....a woman who would take advantage of a gullible man she could easily control. She is likely trying to come across to authorities as though she's either mentally unstable or a victim of abuse. Instead she could perceive herself as a devious mastermind...albeit a stupid one, who feels her actions are far above the level of police intelligence.
http://[link removed]/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978708886

I truly wonder if what happened to Zahra is all EB...what I don't understand is how AB didn't know his child was being abused? After his worthless checks arrest, he had that sign about Zahra being abused daily by her stepmum...did he just learn this from LE? Did EB keep Zahra away from her dad, in isolation using the puberty/brooding excuse? After hearing of EB breaking her hand on Zahra's prosthetic leg and her saying not to tell AB, I have to wonder if everything was kept from AB's ears/eyes...her master plan seemed to have taken shape until and thankfully so, that fire and false ransom note was written..How long did she think she can keep this dark secret about Zahra? Thank Goodness for stupid criminals...or Zahra might not have been in the spotlight, gruesomely found and now on the road to justice..JMHO

Justice for Zahra

 

[Mountain_Kat]

EB might very well have tried to keep AB away from Zahra, but if DSS came to the house, as many people have reported, then there is NO WAY that AB was oblivious to what was going on. EB had no legal rights or priviliges with respect to this child. DSS would have HAD to speak to AB.

He knew.

 

[westsidefox64]

EB might very well have tried to keep AB away from Zahra, but if DSS came to the house, as many people have reported, then there is NO WAY that AB was oblivious to what was going on. EB had no legal rights or priviliges with respect to this child. DSS would have HAD to speak to AB.

He knew.

I dont doubt that DSS would want to speak to AB. If he was working before 7am and till after 4 pm chances are good they hadnt caught up with him enough to talk to him.
I had a woman who worked for me who had 3 stepchildren that she took in. These kids had been so abused by the adults in thier lives. CPS was very much on the scene but very seldom spoke with thier father as he was at work alot and she was the main care giver. I know for a fact that each of these kids were seen every 2 weeks by CPS for the 3 years she worked for me and I can count on one hand how many times they spoke with the father although he was the blood parent. JMO

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I dont doubt that DSS would want to speak to AB. If he was working before 7am and till after 4 pm chances are good they hadnt caught up with him enough to talk to him.
I had a woman who worked for me who had 3 stepchildren that she took in. These kids had been so abused by the adults in thier lives. CPS was very much on the scene but very seldom spoke with thier father as he was at work alot and she was the main care giver. I know for a fact that each of these kids were seen every 2 weeks by CPS for the 3 years she worked for me and I can count on one hand how many times they spoke with the father although he was the blood parent. JMO

Did this stepmother have legal rights with respect to these childeren? Legally adopt them, or have legal guardianship over them?

Because, to the best of my knowledge, there is no way that EB could have had any legal rights or privileges with respect to Zahra. Emily would have had to also sign off on that. And if DSS did talk to EB and not AB, her legal guardian, then if I were Emily I would sue the pants off of DSS.

JMO

 

[westsidefox64]

Did this stepmother have legal rights with respect to these childeren? Legally adopt them, or have legal guardianship over them?

Because, to the best of my knowledge, there is no way that EB could have had any legal rights or privileges with respect to Zahra. Emily would have had to also sign off on that. And if DSS did talk to EB and not AB, her legal guardian, then if I were Emily I would sue the pants off of DSS.

JMO

No she didnt have any legal ties to the children and the reason I know this is because at one point they sent them each a seperate bill for court appointed legal council. She took it in front of a judge who threw out the bill to her as she had no legal guardianship.

 

[Clue Hopper]

Did this stepmother have legal rights with respect to these childeren? Legally adopt them, or have legal guardianship over them?

Because, to the best of my knowledge, there is no way that EB could have had any legal rights or privileges with respect to Zahra. Emily would have had to also sign off on that. And if DSS did talk to EB and not AB, her legal guardian, then if I were Emily I would sue the pants off of DSS.

JMO

If it was DSS, she is the step mother and is in care of the child's, feeding, clothing, and everyday care. DSS comes out to make sure the child isn't neglected from feeding and what not. CPS is whom takes cases for abuse. That is my understanding. If I'm wrong so be it, but that is what I have seen thus far from both agencies when dealing with situations in my area. I'm certainly no expert on this situation.

 

[Clue Hopper]

I am going to say here. I grew up a step child. I was not adopted. My step father was able to put me on his insurance, take me out on his taxes, sign school papers, take me for medical care, be my dad ( I had to add that because he was great.). He attended parent teacher conferences. He had not difficulty with anything that had to do with me being a step parent.

 

[Clue Hopper]

Okay I answered my own question about DSS. In NC it tells you to notify DSS. I guess every State is different. I am still assuming they just did a wellness check. Adequate food, bedding, hygiene etc. I don't think they did an abuse check. Not like some are saying. If they did, something is seriously wrong with that system IMO.

 

[westsidefox64]

Okay I answered my own question about DSS. In NC it tells you to notify DSS. I guess every State is different. I am still assuming they just did a wellness check. Adequate food, bedding, hygiene etc. I don't think they did an abuse check. Not like some are saying. If they did, something is seriously wrong with that system IMO.

I know in Kansas we have DSS,CPS,and KVC. If push comes to shove im not sure who to call for what. I know I called DSS once and they got the ball rolling with the right department. JMO

 

[Mountain_Kat]

If it was DSS, she is the step mother and is in care of the child's, feeding, clothing, and everyday care. DSS comes out to make sure the child isn't neglected from feeding and what not. CPS is whom takes cases for abuse. That is my understanding. If I'm wrong so be it, but that is what I have seen thus far from both agencies when dealing with situations in my area. I'm certainly no expert on this situation.

Well, you may be right, Hopper. I'm no expert either. But I have a very hard time wrapping my head around the idea that DSS would speak ONLY to the stepmother, who, in this case, has no legal rights over this child, and NOT speak to the parent who does have legal guardianship.

Let's assume for a minute that AB is completely innocent here (I know, it's a hypothetical). DSS comes out to investigate reports of child abuse and speaks only to the woman he's married too. If DSS determines the child is in danger and must be immediately removed from the home, I would think the legal parent, AB in this case, would have a whole lot of legal grounds to sue DSS.

I just can't see DSS setting themselves up like that. I think they would make sure that they also spoke to the legal guardian of this child, and let them know of their concerns.

JMO...like I said, I have no depth of knowledge when it comes to how DSS investigations work.

 

[Clue Hopper]

Well, you may be right, Hopper. I'm no expert either. But I have a very hard time wrapping my head around the idea that DSS would speak ONLY to the stepmother, who, in this case, has no legal rights over this child, and NOT speak to the parent who does have legal guardianship.

Let's assume for a minute that AB is completely innocent here (I know, it's a hypothetical). DSS comes out to investigate reports of child abuse and speaks only to the woman he's married too. If DSS determines the child is in danger and must be immediately removed from the home, I would think the legal parent, AB in this case, would have a whole lot of legal grounds to sue DSS.

I just can't see DSS setting themselves up like that. I think they would make sure that they also spoke to the legal guardian of this child, and let them know of their concerns.

JMO...like I said, I have no depth of knowledge when it comes to how DSS investigations work.

Please do not take this as me arguing with you or disagreeing with you in any way. I'm just putting this out there.

If it was just a general welfare check, the family would not be notified period. If the DSS officer came out and in their opinion did not find anything out of the ordinary would not notify the parent or anyone else for that matter. They did not go in there with officers to remove a child from the home. They did a courtesy check. That is what I am taking from this anyway. I could very well be wrong.

 

[tlcya]

I am no expert, but here in IL if DSS is investigating an allegation of abuse, they call and tell you they are coming. They tell you that it is required that all family members be intereviewed. The home is visited. Often teachers and school officials are interviewed as well as the person who made the allegation (if they will agree and haven't placed the report anonymously)

I have no clue of the process in NC, just telling you what I know of the process where I live.

ETA discussing the DSS angle because there is speculation that the DSS involvment and the need to explain where Zahra went may have played a key role in the bizarre ransom note fire events of the day she was reported "kidnapped"

 

[Clue Hopper]

I am no expert, but here in IL if DSS is investigating an allegation of abuse, they call and tell you they are coming. They tell you that it is required that all family members be intereviewed. The home is visited. Often teachers and school officials are interviewed as well as the person who made the allegation (if they will agree and haven't placed the report anonymously)

I have no clue of the process in NC, just telling you what I know of the process where I live.

This is so far fetched I know. What if they thought someone else was AB? I do not know why that thought crossed my mind, but it did.

 

[tlcya]

far fetched what if - but interesting.

 

[tlcya]

I hope the ransome note being on a utility bill envelope yields some sort of pyshical evidence that is useful to LE

 

[Clue Hopper]

In this link it tells about the ransom note and about the DSS visit.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/10/12/1756063/missing-girl-not-seen-by-outsiders.html

 

[Mountain_Kat]

(Still just thinking out loud)

Curious that the only vehicle that had gas poured in it was AB's company work vehicle. This is the vehicle HE drove, also the vehicle where remnants of something burned were found, and where the blood sample was recovered from console.

So...if Elisa Baker had set this fire (or even helped to do it), wouldn't she have tried to destroy evidence found in HER car? Wouldn't we have found evidence of a fire (burnt remnants) in HER car? Why would she cover AB's tracks, but do nothing to cover her own?

Doesn't add up, imo. On the other hand, if AB was the one that set the fire (unbeknownst to EB), it would make perfect sense for him to try to eradicate evidence in the vehicle HE drove. And if he were trying to set EB up to take the fall for everything, it would also make perfect sense for him to purposefully leave the evidence attached to the vehicle SHE drove.

(Sorry... just working things out in my own mind. Helps to see it written down on cyber paper.)

ETA: But then, why the ransom note attached to the company vehicle, other than the fact that it was addressed to Coffey, and this was actually his vehicle? Why attach the ransom note to a vehicle you intend to burn? Doesn't make a bit of sense. Unless, the gas was poured as an afterthought. Then there's the, "Oh crap!" moment when it's realized that you can't torch this vehicle, because then the note becomes ash. And the ONLY thing pointing directly at EB is this note in her handwritting. The note HAS to stay, thus the idea of torching of this vehicle must be abandoned.

 

[tlcya]

good morning MK, perhaps the dousing in galsoline ofthe company vehicle was meant to suggest someone (kidnapper w/grudge against boss) intended to torch it and then decided to kidnap the bosses "daughter" Zahra instead and therefore the ransom note.

Haven't had nearly enough coffee yet.

 

[WhyaDuck?]

The topic for this thread is "Ransom Note and Calls to the Boss."

Please stick to that or take OT discussions to applicable threads.

This post falls at random.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

good morning MK, perhaps the dousing in galsoline ofthe company vehicle was meant to suggest someone (kidnapper w/grudge against boss) intended to torch it and then decided to kidnap the bosses "daughter" Zahra instead and therefore the ransom note.

Haven't had nearly enough coffee yet.

Pass the pot over here when you're done with it.