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[JMO8778]

I don't think so either! I am thinking that probably she was lying :liar: about all of those anxiety attacks. (Unless they were from having a guilty conscious).

In DOI,she talks about having a 'choking' feeling during one of them..like her air was being cut off...and I recall reading a Dr. saying he'd *never heard of an anxiety attack being described that way..if it did happen,was she remembering choking JB instead???

 

[snowqueen]

In DOI,she talks about having a 'choking' feeling during one of them..like her air was being cut off...and I recall reading a Dr. saying he'd *never heard of an anxiety attack being described that way..if it did happen,was she remembering choking JB instead???

Symptoms: http://www.panic-anxiety.com/panic_attack_symptoms/panic-attack-symptoms.htm

I believe choking is listed as one of the symptoms.

 

[snowqueen]

Why Pineapple? I am sure that JB loved flowers too....all little girls usually do. Why not have a flower pattern wall paper? I am sure that Patsy had alot of JB's things to remember her by. I just couldn't imagine a person saying..."Gee...lets see....now what sort of wallpaper should we put up in the kitchen? Hmmmm....oh, I know....lets go with this pineapple theme, because pineapple was her favorite snack. Nevermind the fact that it was the "big bugaboo" in her murder...and the last thing that she ate, that the "intruder" fed her". I just want the kitchen to be covered in pineapple wallpaper, so that we could all remember her favorite snack". That makes NO sense......

In truth, Patsy probably wasn't relating the pineapple to JonBenet at all, but selecting pineapple as the wallpaper for her kitchen didn't make her a murderer, did it?

Was there anything at all about Patsy that you approved of?

 

[snowqueen]

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I'm not the only person who thought so, either...the people discussing it at FFJ where I first learned of it thought it was every bit as distasteful as I do.

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So, what if the people at FFj find it distasteful. Still doesn't prove a thing.

 

[Nuisanceposter]

Well, I guess we'll never know what Patsy was thinking in regards to the pineapple wallpaper.

Do you really care whether I approved of anything about Patsy or not?

Yes, there were some things that I approved of. It's mainly the things that relate to JonBenet's murder and the way I believe Patsy was involved and has been lying to cover up her involvement that I don't approve of.

 

[Nuisanceposter]

So, what if the people at FFj find it distasteful. Still doesn't prove a thing.

Just pointing out that there were indeed other people who reacted the same way I did. I wasn't projecting anything, I was stating my opinion...and it so happens that other people, at FFJ and here, share the opinion that I hold.

 

[snowqueen]

Pineapple wallpaper. I googled. Seems people have been discussing this since the October 2002 "48 Hours" and other than people having the opportunity to express their opinions not a thing accomplished. :waitasec:

 

[Nuisanceposter]

What did you expect to be accomplished, other than people expressing opinion? Where were these opinions expressed? May I request links, please? I'm curious to see what other people have to say, and when I googled pineapple wallpaper + Patsy Ramsey + Atlanta kitchen I got a list of sites that want to sell me some wallpaper, and a few links to stuff unrelated to the JBR case.

 

[Solace]

In truth, Patsy probably wasn't relating the pineapple to JonBenet at all, but selecting pineapple as the wallpaper for her kitchen didn't make her a murderer, did it?

Was there anything at all about Patsy that you approved of?

Snowqueen: I have to chime in here. I happen to like Patsy. I like many things about her - especially her strength - and other things. But, IMO, Patsy killed accidently killed her daughter or maybe not accidently. JonBenet was being molested; that is just a fact. So I don't know what happened. But Patsy is involved.

Just because someone believes that she is culpable does not mean they dislike her. You are taking this too personally. This is a case where people are discussing things. The fact that pineapple was such a large part of the case does suggest that it is a bit strange that Patsy would want wallpaper with pineapple on it. I never heard of that but I have to read ab out it, it is interesting that she would want that. Bizarre, but interesting.

 

[Solace]

You are kidding, right. Tell me that you are....Patsy decorated her new kitchen in Atlanta with pineapple wallpaper??? OMG....I didn't know about that....now that is insane!

Ames, you crack me up.

 

[Solace]

Are you projecting how you would react and assuming that the rest of the world would react in the same way?

Perhaps Patsy put the pineapple wallpaper up to say "you may have taken my baby but you aren't taking the rest of my life."

People react differently to situations.

Snowqueen. That is what everyone says when defending someone who is most likely guilty. Everyone said that about Scott Peterson - people react differently. And that is true sometimes, but most of the time, when reacting to death or loss, people pretty much act the same. The loss of a child simply put, devastates the parents. They are not going to be able to walk away in 20 minutes.

It is possible that she wanted to be reminded of JonBenet with the pineapple. But since she had so many prerequisites such as rooms together, no basement, etc., I would think pineapple would be a no no also. She is going to put up the biggest question in the death of her daughter so she can wake up every mornng and just in case she managed to get past thinking about JonBenet every waking moment, the pineapple would make sure she did. I don't know..........

 

[sister]

Snowqueen: I have to chime in here. I happen to like Patsy. I like many things about her - especially her strength - and other things. But, IMO, Patsy killed accidently killed her daughter or maybe not accidently. JonBenet was being molested; that is just a fact. So I don't know what happened. But Patsy is involved.

Just because someone believes that she is culpable does not mean they dislike her. You are taking this too personally. This is a case where people are discussing things. The fact that pineapple was such a large part of the case does suggest that it is a bit strange that Patsy would want wallpaper with pineapple on it. I never heard of that but I have to read ab out it, it is interesting that she would want that. Bizarre, but interesting.

Is it actually a "fact" that JonBenet was being molested? I am under the impression that molestation was never proven.

 

[snowqueen]

Is it actually a "fact" that JonBenet was being molested? I am under the impression that molestation was never proven.

I don't think it was ever proven that she was a victim of chronic sexual abuse.

 

[Ames]

In DOI,she talks about having a 'choking' feeling during one of them..like her air was being cut off...and I recall reading a Dr. saying he'd *never heard of an anxiety attack being described that way..if it did happen,was she remembering choking JB instead???

YEP...that would be MY guess!

 

[Ames]

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Was there anything at all about Patsy that you approved of?

Ummm....Let me think about that for a second.....NO. I think that she was a big time flake and a liar....not to mention a murderer. I agree with the other poster though, that said that she admired Patsy's strength....okay, I lied...there IS one thing that I approve of. I will let you know if I think of anymore. I really and truly do not think that Patsy intended to kill her daughter...it was...as one poster put it....a "rage attack". But, thats just my opinion.....

 

[Ames]

Ames, you crack me up.

LOL...thank you!!

 

[JMO8778]

Snowqueen: I have to chime in here. I happen to like Patsy. I like many things about her - especially her strength - and other things. But, IMO, Patsy killed accidently killed her daughter or maybe not accidently. JonBenet was being molested; that is just a fact. So I don't know what happened. But Patsy is involved.

Just because someone believes that she is culpable does not mean they dislike her. You are taking this too personally. This is a case where people are discussing things. The fact that pineapple was such a large part of the case does suggest that it is a bit strange that Patsy would want wallpaper with pineapple on it. I never heard of that but I have to read ab out it, it is interesting that she would want that. Bizarre, but interesting.

I beleive they ended up buying a house with a basement anyway.I think I recall PR saying that in DOI..that the house they ended up buying was the one they liked the most,'even though it had a basement'.(that would be enough to freak me out,if indeed there was an intruder....).
I find those 2 things odd,considering the fact she said she had an anxiety attack just from looking at a tudor-style home.I would think pineapple in the kitchen would be a huge reminder as well.
But,like everything else,it's all open to your own personal interpretation.
I'm sure PR did have some good qualities..in fact I believe in looking for the good in people..but I believe in a moment of panic,when it came to doing the right or wrong thing,she and JR chose the wrong over the right thing to do,and in the end,doing the wrong thing never pays off.
There are still right and wrong choices to make to this day,for everyone involved in it,and it would be right to set the record straight about all the people wrongly accused,stop the lies,and get this cased solved so that JB can have the justice she so much deserves,once and for all.

 

[JMO8778]

YEP...that would be MY guess!

I found it in DOI, p. 123,ppr back:
Sitting in her car on the way to the doctor's office,frightening thoughts started racing through my mind.Almost as if JonBenet's death were occuring for the first time,the terror and horror of what had happened settled over me.My heart pounded like a bass drum booming away inside my chest.The "thump-thump" kept increasing and I fought to breathe.As if someone were strangling me,I desperately gasped for air.I kept thinking,I've lost my daughter,who killed my child?The fierce reality of it all came crashing down, and a panic attack swallowed me.

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To me,it sounds like she is remembering strangling JB ..as though she's projecting that onto herself. *That's what I think caused the panic attack.
I don't recall who,I'd have to search,but I remember a Dr. saying he'd never once heard anyone say a panic attack was like being strangled;it had never been described to him that way.
But,like everything else,it's all open to interpretation.

 

[snowqueen]

I found it in DOI, p. 123,ppr back:
Sitting in her car on the way to the doctor's office,frightening thoughts started racing through my mind.Almost as if JonBenet's death were occuring for the first time,the terror and horror of what had happened settled over me.My heart pounded like a bass drum booming away inside my chest.The "thump-thump" kept increasing and I fought to breathe.As if someone were strangling me,I desperately gasped for air.I kept thinking,I've lost my daughter,who killed my child?The fierce reality of it all came crashing down, and a panic attack swallowed me.

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To me,it sounds like she is remembering strangling JB ..as though she's projecting that onto herself. *That's what I think caused the panic attack.
I don't recall who,I'd have to search,but I remember a Dr. saying he'd never once heard anyone say a panic attack was like being strangled;it had never been described to him that way.
But,like everything else,it's all open to interpretation.

So it was "strangling", not "choking?" See that's how rumors get started.

 

[Ames]

So it was "strangling", not "choking?" See that's how rumors get started.

Personally, I think that her saying "strangled" instead of "choked"....makes the possiblity that she was thinking about what JB went through, even more so....and out of guilt, was feeling what her six year old daughter felt the night she was killed. As always...thats only my opinion...