Rape allegations mount against Bill Cosby #1

[Donjeta]

Publicity, money, Fame.. who knows.. People do things for all kinds of reasons.

I just don't buy it. I am sorry. I need proof before someone gets dragged through the mud. I am so horrified at today's media justice. Some one makes an allegation and so it must be true.. That is not justice.. That is gossip.

The trouble is that when you're defaulting in believing the alleged rapist's innocence until further notice you're also defaulting to disbelieving the 17 women who said he raped them. There's no proof that they're liars so that is not any more justice and no less gossip either.

Someone gets dragged through the mud either way based on an allegation anyway, it's just a choice about who.

Either we believe the allegation that Bill Cosby has raped, intimidated and harassed women or we believe the allegation that all the women who say he did are evil biotches who are making up false allegations and lying just to ruin a good man's good name.

Is Bill Cosby's word that he didn't (that he's very reluctant to give...) worth more than the word of 17 women who say he did?

Personally I think there's too much smoke for there not to be some fire somewhere.

 

[CHERIE.T]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...by-classic-case-said-said-15-women-lying.html

The rape allegations against Bill Cosby are a classic case of he said/she she she she she she she she she she she she she she, she said - and 15 women can’t all be lying
By PIERS MORGAN FOR MAILONLINE

 

[Steely Dan]

The same Whoopi who said this about a 13-year-old being drugged and anally raped by a 43-year-old man?

"I know it wasn't rape-rape. I think it was something else, but I don't believe it was rape-rape."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/...erg-says-director-didnt-commit-rape-rape.html

There are a lot of people on Polanski's side and he's been convicted. It's strange and sick. What the hell is rape-rape?

I'm sure there were plenty of women who said no and high tailed it out of there. That is exactly how predators operate. People who are very wary rarely understand how more trusting people can get in these situations, forgetting everyone is not like them.

^^^ That!

I was really naive at 18.

http://www.relieffundforsexualassaultvictims.org/resources/statutesoflimitationcrim-D.pdf

STATUE OF LIMITATIONS OF RAPE PER STATE

New York has some work to do.

At least one thing is NOT being cancelled:

http://www.tmz.com/2014/11/19/bill-cosby-comedy-shows-cancellation-rape-allegations-performing/

He should just stay out of the public eye. I'd bet dollars to one of your uncooked meals that there will be protests in Florida.

 

[SStarr33]

I have no idea; yet if you were equating a case featuring one person telling inconsistent stories charging three men with gang rape, with a case featuring 14 persons telling consistent stories charging one man with serial rape, perhaps it's understandable.

Moving the goalpost? Interesting.

 

[SStarr33]

You have never heard of Bob Packwood?



Or Jimmy Saville?


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Saville#During_his_lifetime

Or countless Priest, teacher, etc. pedophiles?

Or a former president?

 

[SStarr33]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...reveals-actor-tried-sexually-assault-her.html


Florida woman becomes fourth in the past month to accuse Bill Cosby of drugging and raping her while wife of Incredible Hulk star Lou Feriggno, Carla, reveals actor tried to sexually assault her.

Interesting. Did you see the tweet from Stacey Dash on that page:

I worked with @BillCosby in ’86 when I was 19. We were alone together many times. He was a perfect gentleman & became a mentor to me.

She is black and all of these women are white. I wonder if any black women will come forward.

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

There are a lot of people on Polanski's side and he's been convicted. It's strange and sick. What the hell is rape-rape?

He should just stay out of the public eye. I'd bet dollars to one of your uncooked meals that there will be protests in Florida.

That's what I was thinking.....

 

[chlban]

I just watched Janice Dickinson interviewed on Entertainment Tonight. At the end, she broke down, yet no tears. I don't know what to think about her story.

For 17 women to come forward and all have a similar story just seems circumspect to me as to nothing untoward happening. Could all these women have heard his comedy routine and jumped on the bandwagon? I don't know. That just seems highly unlikely.

Anyone else?

Personally, I don't for one second beleive Janice Dickinson. The woman is a known liar and, IMO, will do anything for publicity. I think she saw her chance and jumped on the publicity train and for that I hold her in even more contempt than I already did because she will hurt the credibility of the other women, as some people will lump them all together.

That said, I absolutely believe the overall accusations. There are too many of them. Most of these women have not received any type of settlement and are not seeking one. Many of these women are not publicity hounds like Janice and have no reason to come forward other than an opportunity to finally seek at least some form of justice.

These stories have been around for, literally, decades. Too many of the stories are out there for them all to be false.

Again, I am angry that a known liar and publicity W**** like Janice has stepped forward but that does not negate the truth of the other allegations. Just because Mark Furhman proved to be a racist it did not follow that OJ was innocent. Just because Janice is likely lying it doesn't mean everyone else is.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Looks like Janice was correct. BBM.

"The nature of rape culture is that other forces beyond clamped hands keep victims’ mouths silent, most of them forces of power that feed into widespread cultural assumptions. To wit: if it took over a decade for the stories of the initial 12 accusers, who filed a joint lawsuit, to truly be taken seriously by the public, how seriously would a single accusation here and there, in the ’60s and ’70s, have been taken by anyone?

'I was afraid of the consequences,' Dickinson told ET. 'I was afraid of being labeled a or a and trying to sleep my way to the top of a career that never took place.'"

Excellent read.

http://flavorwire.com/489388/why-so...ll-cosby-now-and-why-they-didnt-do-it-earlier

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I don't believe JD. Not a word.

I just find it hard to believe he is a serial rapist since the 60's and no one has ever been paid to be quieted down or this has never gone to court. There may be a few people scared off but there is always one or two who will stand up. That is just odds.

I see no proof, nothing other than stories.

I want proof before I believe it.

 

[Donjeta]

I don't believe JD. Not a word.

I just find it hard to believe he is a serial rapist since the 60's and no one has ever been paid to be quieted down or this has never gone to court. There may be a few people scared off but there is always one or two who will stand up. That is just odds.

I see no proof, nothing other than stories.

I want proof before I believe it.

Do you have proof that no one has been paid to quiet down?

He denies all the allegations. But he did settle one civil action brought against him by a young Temple University employee, Andrea Constand – thus shutting down the allegations of 12 other women who Ms Constand’s lawyers had tracked down, and who had indicated they would testify too.

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If anyone else had been paid to quiet down, effectively... , would we know about it? It's not really quieting things down if it's all over the press, is it?

 

[Boodles]

Wonder how Bill is sleeping these nights?

You couldn't pay me to go to a Cosby performance. His peeps must be reeling trying to figure out how to get out of his booked gigs while saving face.

 

[Steely Dan]

I don't believe JD. Not a word.

I just find it hard to believe he is a serial rapist since the 60's and no one has ever been paid to be quieted down or this has never gone to court. There may be a few people scared off but there is always one or two who will stand up. That is just odds.

I see no proof, nothing other than stories.

I want proof before I believe it.

Can you give me an example of what you'd call proof?

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Can you give me an example of what you'd call proof?

Evidence. Something. Prove that you were there, Prove that you had an exam. Prove the details that make up the story. It stinks I know. But when it is he said she said there has to be something that backs it up. Anyone can accuse. I want to see something that will back it all up.

I have seen liars be convincing and truth tellers be not, So that is not going to be the end all of it for me. I need something that proves it happened. I just have an issue with allegations 20-30 years later.

If he did this, Than its horrible and should be dealt with, But even then these women chose not to prosecute and now when so much time has passed and justice is often decided just by a news story, They just talk about an alleged event 30 years ago and people take it as gospel. It bothers me.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Do you have proof that no one has been paid to quiet down?




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If anyone else had been paid to quiet down, effectively... , would we know about it? It's not really quieting things down if it's all over the press, is it?

Where did the info come from?? Aren't these things usually tied to a hush clause?

And why then would all the other women go away. Why??? Where did all the other women come from?? Could it be they were offered something from the original accuser??

 

[Steely Dan]

You don't think this guy is credible?

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/19/showbiz/bill-cosby-rape-allegation-prosecutor/index.html?hpt=en_c2

Ex-prosecutor wanted to charge Bill Cosby but lacked evidence
By Eliott C. McLaughlin, CNN
updated 5:48 PM EST, Wed November 19, 2014

(CNN) -- A former prosecutor who declined to bring charges against Bill Cosby a decade ago said Wednesday that he wishes he could've nailed the comedian on an allegation that he drugged and molested a woman at his Pennsylvania home.

Bruce Castor also told CNN that he believed Cosby -- a beloved figure who, with his wit and boyish smile, has charmed audiences as a family-friendly stand-up comic, the voice of Fat Albert, the host of "Picture Pages" and the star of a wildly popular eponymous sitcom -- lied to authorities....

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

You don't think this guy is credible?

He says it himself. No evidence. That is the problem. We don't charge and arrest people on rumor. There has to be a charge. He could have gotten a grand jury together and brought what he had before them but he didn't because there was nothing to bring.

I am just not going to jump in and accuse someone and beat them down when there is just no proof that they committed a crime.

 

[CHERIE.T]

Interesting. Did you see the tweet from Stacey Dash on that page:

I worked with @BillCosby in ’86 when I was 19. We were alone together many times. He was a perfect gentleman & became a mentor to me.

She is black and all of these women are white. I wonder if any black women will come forward.

I read that and wondered the same thing....did he sexually abuse black women?

 

[Steely Dan]

He says it himself. No evidence. That is the problem. We don't charge and arrest people on rumor. There has to be a charge. He could have gotten a grand jury together and brought what he had before them but he didn't because there was nothing to bring.

I am just not going to jump in and accuse someone and beat them down when there is just no proof that they committed a crime.

Did you read anything past the headline? Even in the snippet I quoted he says he thinks Cosby lied.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Did you read anything past the headline? Even in the snippet I quoted he says he thinks Cosby lied.

He thinks he lied? Well then that is the smoking gun..

Im sorry That is not enough for me.

Ill wait it out for awhile and see what comes of this all.