Rape allegations mount against Bill Cosby #1

[CHERIE.T]

Argumentative? How is that argumentative? It is simply stating where I am coming from and how I feel about it.

Rest Assured I would feel that way about anyone accused without proof not just him. I believe that people have a right to face their accusers in court. Anyone can say anything about anyone these days, Put it on the news and ruin someone. I just don't go in for that kind of justice these days.

Thank you for answering. Hope I didn't insult you/ :blushing:

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Thank you for answering. Hope I didn't insult you/ :blushing:

Na..

I am glad you asked.. I would rather have someone ask !

 

[chlban]

I would think all of these acusers would take a poly and no way would BC do.
If it was one acuser, umm, maybe. But, what is it now, 13. I'm more willing to believe the 13 than the one who refuses to talk about it.

Add to that that, instead of vehemently deniying these accusatiions, he is just "not commenting". Even Woody Allen publicly denied. I cannot imagine an innocent man keeping quiet. My father was a man of very few words but I know, without a single doubt, that had he ever been accused of abusing a woman or child he would have been screaming his innocence from rooftops.

To me is this is very similar to the Sandusky case. Up to, and including, a wife willing to "look the other way".

 

[Steely Dan]

Argumentative? How is that argumentative? It is simply stating where I am coming from and how I feel about it.

Rest Assured I would feel that way about anyone accused without proof not just him. I believe that people have a right to face their accusers in court. Anyone can say anything about anyone these days, Put it on the news and ruin someone. I just don't go in for that kind of justice these days.

A woman with a black eye and fat lip will stand and tell a cop her husband/boyfriend didn't hit her. The neighbor next door can say he saw him do it. Who's telling the truth? Why would the woman lie? Maybe the neighbor has a beef with her husband and is just lying. Why would they do that? Do you believe the woman or the neighbor?

Why do rape victims have a hard time talking about it after it happens? It's a well documented phenomenon. Women who are raped have different ways of dealing with it. I can't judge a rape victim who doesn't call the cops because of what happened to my friend when she called.

I can also understand why a young woman would be afraid to talk to anyone in authority about it, especially when it's someone as powerful as BC was back then. I can also understand how maturity can make them feel comfortable about talking about it now. JMO

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

A woman with a black eye and fat lip will stand and tell a cop her husband/boyfriend didn't hit her. The neighbor next door can say he saw him do it. Who's telling the truth? Why would the woman lie? Maybe the neighbor has a beef with her husband and is just lying. Why would they do that? Do you believe the woman or the neighbor?

Why do rape victims have a hard time talking about it after it happens? It's a well documented phenomenon. Women who are raped have different ways of dealing with it. I can't judge a rape victim who doesn't call the cops because of what happened to my friend when she called.

I can also understand why a young woman would be afraid to talk to anyone in authority about it, especially when it's someone as powerful as BC was back then. I can also understand how maturity can make them feel comfortable about talking about it now. JMO

The difference is there is proof then. There is actual evidence of something. Yes the victim may deny it but it is still true. And most times it is because they just are too afraid to tell the truth about someone they live with who has beaten them down for a lifetime.

This is people who could have reported it. gone to police at the time and not had to go home with him.

I know this is not the popular stance at this point, but I just need more to believe this.

 

[Donjeta]

Lack of proof is not proof that nothing happened.

There are thousands of crimes that take place every day that can't be proven afterwards.

 

[Steely Dan]

The difference is there is proof then. There is actual evidence of something. Yes the victim may deny it but it is still true. And most times it is because they just are too afraid to tell the truth about someone they live with who has beaten them down for a lifetime.

This is people who could have reported it. gone to police at the time and not had to go home with him.

I know this is not the popular stance at this point, but I just need more to believe this.

Are you aware of the traumatic complications of rape that I described. There is no right answer when it comes to how women deal with it. You can't wrap all victims up in the same box. Maturity has a lot to do with how women react. JMO

 

[Donjeta]

Sorry, I am still in the innocent until proven guilty Capital of the world. and I like it. Prove it to me and I am all in, But allegations don't make something true.

But why are the victims guilty of being liars until proven innocent?

 

[Snoods]

Has this one been listed here yet? One more nail in his coffin. It's easier to list the women who the predator HASN'T sexually assaulted at this point....

Carla Ferrigno, wife of The Incredible Hulk star Lou Ferrigno, has revealed that Bill Cosby used a 'friend' to pick her up and arrange for her to meet the star.
After a night out with Cosby and his wife Camille, they went to Cosby's home in Los Angeles where Camille retired, her date left the room and Cosby tried to have his way with her.
Carla Ferrigno, in an exclusive interview with MailOnline, says she was still in her teens when Cosby tried to sexually assault her.

Much more at link:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ic-home-attacked-Camille-Cosby-left-room.html

ETA: IMO and allegedly.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

But why are the victims guilty of being liars until proven innocent?

I did not call them liars. I just said, I don't believe what is being reported. I also said that may change but at this point I am not there.

 

[Donjeta]

I did not call them liars. I just said, I don't believe what is being reported. I also said that may change but at this point I am not there.

Ok In my mind when people say they don't believe someone's story, say it's not at all credible, ask how many people have lied in public for various nefarious motives and speculate that they may have been bribed into making up false accusations it's not greatly different from calling them liars but have it your way.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Ok In my mind when people say they don't believe someone's story, say it's not at all credible, ask how many people have lied in public for various nefarious motives and speculate that they may have been bribed into making up false accusations it's not greatly different from calling them liars but have it your way.

It is not the same thing. Not to me. I don't have to believe everything someone says without some back up. That does not mean I think they are a liar, It just means that I am not sure what is going on yet. I have been duped before and I am sure again, But I like to take it slow and look for evidence and back up before I take someone's word about something. It is called caution.

If I think someone is a liar I will say it. I am not saying that here. Not yet anyway.

 

[Donjeta]

It is not the same thing. Not to me. I don't have to believe everything someone says without some back up. That does not mean I think they are a liar, It just means that I am not sure what is going on yet. I have been duped before and I am sure again, But I like to take it slow and look for evidence and back up before I take someone's word about something. It is called caution.

If I think someone is a liar I will say it. I am not saying that here. Not yet anyway.

OK. I got the false impression because you seemed to be focusing on the need to be cautious before we believe the women and not at all on the need to be cautious before we believe Cosby and his lawyers.

 

[Truthy]

Interesting. Did you see the tweet from Stacey Dash on that page:

I worked with @BillCosby in ’86 when I was 19. We were alone together many times. He was a perfect gentleman & became a mentor to me.

She is black and all of these women are white. I wonder if any black women will come forward.

My guess is the breakdown will have ore to do with their vulnerabilities- you won't have many accusers with boyfriend/ husbands concurrent with incident, no women who do not drink or get high, or women who have zero interest in show business. Any of those would make it more difficult to prey on a woman.

 

[Truthy]

It seems to me that some people have a catch-22 mentality here. The women who come forward want something, the women who agreed to testify anonymously are hiding something, the women who agreed to testify anonymously and aren't coming out now were probably just lying to begin with.

So if you come forward you're lying.
If you don't come forward publicly but agree to testify anonymously, you're lying.
If you still remain silent then you're lying.
The only person telling the truth is Cosby.
JMO

As you said, Cosby has a lot more to gain by lying than any of the women or prosecutor do. JMO

And if it not blatantly obvious at this point exactly why it is so difficult to go forward with rape allegations, then you just aren't paying attention.

 

[rob]

How does he win responding. He says " No, its a lie" Does that make it go away? No. It doesn't.
There is no way to win responding. But the accusers will go everywhere and say it is so.

That does not make it true. IT doesn't make it true because they say it. People like band wagons. And they jump on. I don't know these women. Well except JD as a celebrity, but she has always hated him so her accusation feels like a big fat, "Getting you back for not wanting me " thing.

I am just going to wait and see. I just don't believe it at this point.

I can only speak for myself, but if someone falsely accuses me, I'll be screaming loud and often, 'it's a lie, I didn't do it'
I respect your opinion, but don't really understand the logic.

 

[La Louve]

How does he win responding. He says " No, its a lie" Does that make it go away? No. It doesn't.
There is no way to win responding. But the accusers will go everywhere and say it is so.

That does not make it true. IT doesn't make it true because they say it. People like band wagons. And they jump on. I don't know these women. Well except JD as a celebrity, but she has always hated him so her accusation feels like a big fat, "Getting you back for not wanting me " thing.

I am just going to wait and see. I just don't believe it at this point.

BBM link please?

TIA

 

[Donjeta]

Mind you, if someone had been raped, it wouldn't be big wonder if they always seemed to hate the rapist.

 

[Truthy]

Secondly, regarding Janice Dickinson, rapists don't necessarily pick their victims based on mental stability. If anything, he likely picked on controllable, vulnerable women. So Janice could just as well be one of his victims as the woman who eventually became a lawyer.

And I think this is why a lot of people give the victims the side eye. They refuse to relate to anyone with vulnerabilities or anyone who claims they are a victim, because they cannot imagine it happening to a decent person. They also think vulnerable people "asked for it" or should "get over it". Even victims fall prey to this damaging mindset.

One extreme example is a very "tough" friend of mine - a black belt- who was repeatedly threatened with rape and murder by a man she had been previously involved with. She admitted being frightened but could not see her self reporting the threats at all. I tried to explain she could get a report on record without pressing charges, and that would be invaluable later if it escalated and it became the inevitable "he said, she said" since they had sex the year before. If they EVER had sex before, we knew she would not get a prosecution. She would be treated like a dumb amoral fool, but not a victim, unless she had bad injuries.
He still lived in their neighborhood and it was ongoing. She did not report anything.

He stopped the threats, and she let down her guard, and her brutally beat her, tied her up and raped her for hours at his first opportunity. She never reported tht, and although it was frightening as hell for her, and he is still in her neighborhood and she staunchly she refuses to "be the victim". She seems to believe if she rejects the label, she can retain her self image as tough girl. That is how hard it can be to tell the truth and admit you have been victimized- even when you know it.

 

[Truthy]

People like band wagons. And they jump on. I don't know these women. Well except JD as a celebrity, but she has always hated him so her accusation feels like a big fat, "Getting you back for not wanting me " thing.

I am just going to wait and see. I just don't believe it at this point.

If you knew how amazingly sought after Dickinson was in the 80's, as one of the first "super models" you'd know she was not hurting for anyone's attention. A leg up professionally yes- but she had her choice of royalty, rock stars and the like all throughout that time period.
Her hurting over lumpy old Bill rejection is totally laughable in that context. And you know- she hinted at what her publisher was too chicken to print on Howard Stern, she pegged him as a predator long ago.