Rape allegations mount against Bill Cosby #1

[Tulessa]

Whoa.
I came visiting here for 2 reasons. To escape thoughts of the plight of the missing, and to get info about Bill Cosby.
I've yet to form a concrete opinion of whether BC should rot...or twitches are seeking opportunistic cha-ching$.
But, whoa...something happened...and this thread took a vile turn. Clear as day, on the outside, where majority lays...yet posts of the contrary, are picked and pecked to no end.

My ears hurt. It's a 'I'm right...You wrong' line of reading. Is this impartial discussion people?
So...I best be moving along.

Happy season to everyone, and Merry Christmas to all!
I'm sure THIS post will fall at the most inopportune time...so butcher it at will.

Aweeeee Heck! Hugssss!! :blowkiss:

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Any of us who have kept up with rape trials know testimony from the victims is considered to be evidence by law.

I don't see this case any different than other infamous rapists, such as Sandusky or all the Priests who were serial rapists or other suspects who were rapists.

Most of these victims in the cases I mentioned above were young when the rapes happened and did not tell anyone of the horrific rapes they had endured at the hands of their rapists. There was no physical evidence in those cases either due to the time lapse and the victims only told once they became adults. But there was testimonial evidence and each of the victims were believed by their jurors and without physical/dna evidence those rapists were sent to prison. And some in Cosby's cases were from 15-19 years of age. He seem to prefer the most vulnerable victims he could find at the time.

It isn't a shock that only about 10% of victims ever report rapes and that includes rapes by Joe Schmoe nobodies. I would think the percentage would be even lower if the serial rapist was a high powered individual. One of the main reasons they do not report the rapes to LE is they are re-victimized all over again..........not only at trial but by many in society who will also accuse them of lying. Being a rape survivor I cant begin to imagine any worse hurt than someone accusing them of lying about such an horrid event in their lives. Double slap in the face doesn't even begin to cover it. All it shows is the reason why men and women don't report rapes very often.

I saw someone put up today the stats stating only 2-10% falsely accuse someone of rape. And I would think those are individual supposed rapist allegation against one person and not a serial rapist where one offender has raped multiple victims where 30 of his victims have come forward.

But let just flip it for argument sake. Lets say 90% lie about being raped.........then that leaves 10% who tell the truth and in Cosby's case that would mean 3 women are telling the absolute truth. What does that make Cosby? Still a serial rapist. So even if someone may want to think most rape victims lie then that still doesn't clear Cosby. The odds that all of these women are lying is just not logical. In fact I don't think any of them are lying. Not one.

What they are doing is like a lot of victims who finally have the courage to do and that is to speak out about the rapes they suffered at the hands of a rapist. It is quite common for victims to not tell of their victimization until they are much older than when the rapes occurred.

It really doesn't matter to the victims that he cant be criminally punished for his rapes. What matters is the victims coming to a point in their lives where they no longer are going to keep the rapist's secret anymore. All victims who don't report because fear, intimidation, shame, and humiliation.. long for the day they will find the courage to stand up and reveal what happened to them.

Until a rape victim purges what happened to them they cant begin to heal and move on. I was 38 years of age before I told anyone and after then, with support, I did have the courage to confront my rapist...I began to heal with the love and support of my children and husband. I knew the statute of limitations had long past. It had nothing to do with criminally punishing him but it had everything to do with letting him know his secret wasn't going to be protected by me anymore.

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

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[Slebby]

Bless you, oceanblueeyes, such an amazing post.


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[BirdycatNY]

Until a rape victim purges what happened to them they cant begin to heal and move on. I was 38 years of age before I told anyone and after then, with support, I did have the courage to confront my rapist...I began to heal with the love and support of my children and husband. I knew the statute of limitations had long past. It had nothing to do with criminally punishing him but it had everything to do with letting him know his secret wasn't going to be protected by me anymore.

oceanblueeyes, thank you for your candid, thoughtful and informative posts. I am sorry that this happened to you. It is so true that it can take many years for many victims to just to come to terms with rape/sexual assault and to confront the perpetrator, you are very strong. Some never do. Thank you for sharing and you put issues into better perspective for me and I'm sure others.

 

[SStarr33]

This has been repeatedly stated on this thread as well, and conveniently disregarded as well. Never hurts bringing it up again though.

Actually, people have repeatedly responded, however you have repeatedly chosen to ignore those responses.

 

[SStarr33]

So you want there to be more victims ?

If people know that there is reason to be wary of a person who might be a predator and that he might not be the all around swell guy that he wants everyone to think there might be a few girls and women or parents who get wiser and avoid getting victimised.

Really??? WTH do you get that? Please, just stop.

 

[Donjeta]

I am not putting words in the mouths of his family. I just said to my knowledge I haven't seen anything to indicate that they have spoken against him. I also haven't said I have made up my mind about anything. I am open to the possibility that he is guilty of all, a few or none. I just think it is sad for the consequences he is facing before even being charged with a crime. That isn't justice.

Here's what I was referring to:

To my knowledge, none of his own children or grandchildren are fearful of him or have even given any credence to any of these claims. To me, that speaks volumes.

If they haven't actually come out and said none of them are fearful of him and that they aren't giving any credence to these claims, assuming that's what they think from the absence of accusatory statements is imo attributing them feelings and beliefs that they may or may not have.

There could be lots of reasons for people, both fearful and otherwise, to stay out of the press when there's a media storm involving a family member. It reflects on all of them and they might fear losing their privacy or saying the wrong thing and being negatively painted themselves. There could be a family agreement to have the lawyers handle it. There would be social consequences for a family member who went out and said something negative if all the other family members don't agree with going public with it or want to protect the person under fire. Some people might choose to protect the family member and not say anything negative about him even if they secretly have all sorts of thoughts because it's not just about the accused person's reputation here, it's the whole family that is entangled in it and has to bear the consequences.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Actually, people have repeatedly responded, however you have repeatedly chosen to ignore those responses.

Have I? I didn't realize that. Would you be so kind as to provide the post numbers of those responses I ignored? Thank you.

 

[Donjeta]

Really??? WTH do you get that? Please, just stop.

That was in response to a post saying that Cosby should continue mentoring young women.

It has been pointed out in this thread that women who allowed themselves to be mentored by him should have known they could get raped, so it's clearly a risky situation. If there's any truth in a fraction of these allegations letting the man keep on doing what he was doing undisturbed might easily lead to more females experiencing the same thing.

At least people know to be more careful around him now.

 

[SStarr33]

If there is someone reading here who would allow her daughter or granddaughter to be alone with Cosby, please Thank this post.

If your dad was accused of what Cosby is accused of, would you let your daughter or granddaughter be alone with him?

TIA!!!

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Whoa.
I came visiting here for 2 reasons. To escape thoughts of the plight of the missing, and to get info about Bill Cosby.
I've yet to form a concrete opinion of whether BC should rot...or twitches are seeking opportunistic cha-ching$.

Snipped for focus

I'm old and not up on the latest slang for the most part. What are twitches?

 

[IzzyBlanche]

If your dad was accused of what Cosby is accused of, would you let your daughter or granddaughter be alone with him?

TIA!!!

No. I don't understand your point.

 

[SStarr33]

You don't seem to understand the law. The victim's word *IS* evidence. Whether that evidence is more or less credible than the defendant's explicit or implicit denial is a matter to be determined by the "trier of fact" (a jury or a judge if a jury trial is waived).

Who said it wasn't?

Let's go to trial

 

[SStarr33]

But the DA also said that he believed the alleged victim and thought that Cosby was lying.

That also says something.

People who are involved in the court system are well aware that there are many crimes that can never be proven in court but it doesn't mean the victims are all lying if they can't prove it.

DA's believe BS ALL THE TIME.

 

[AlwaysShocked]

Oh, wow. I've been away for a few days. Busy. So there are now 30 women who have come forward? Yikes!

I think Billy Boy will go down in history as the most prolific accused rapist in history!

And hey, if there are people who choose not to believe the accusations, so be it. As we all know, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

 

[AlwaysShocked]

That was in response to a post saying that Cosby should continue mentoring young women.

It has been pointed out in this thread that women who allowed themselves to be mentored by him should have known they could get raped, so it's clearly a risky situation. If there's any truth in a fraction of these allegations letting the man keep on doing what he was doing undisturbed might easily lead to more females experiencing the same thing.

At least people know to be more careful around him now.

Donjeta, hopefully at age 77 his equipment is no longer working so well. But I guess you never know.......

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Well it's very interesting to me that none of the Cosby defenders here have responded to Morag's invitation to Thank her post #1173 to proclaim they would be willing to allow their daughter or granddaughter to be alone with Cosby.

So come on all of you who think the accusers are lying and there's no proof: would you or would you not unhesitatingly allow your daughter or granddaughter to be alone with Bill Cosby?

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Who said they should keep their big fat mouths shut other than you?

It's called deductive reasoning. It goes like this:

Unless you have irrefutable proof (whatever that is) that you were raped, you shouldn't make public accusations.

If you were raped as a child 30 years ago, there is clearly no irrefutable proof of the crime.

Therefore, you shouldn't make public accusations. So you should just keep your big fat mouth shut. No proof, no crime.

 

[Slebby]

If your dad was accused of what Cosby is accused of, would you let your daughter or granddaughter be alone with him?

TIA!!!

No.


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