Rape allegations mount against Bill Cosby #2

[IzzyBlanche]

But at the heart of this “Truther” conspiracy theory is the idea that “someone” wants to destroy Bill Cosby. No one seems to know who that is—or why they would want to do such a thing. Aside from general “They wanna bring a black man down” sentiments, there has yet to be any substantive argument for why this would be happening right now. Some Truthers claim that Cosby’s attempt to buy NBC has led to “the powers-that-be” coming after him; but that attempted purchase failed already—TWICE—both times in the early 1990s. Why would “they” want to crush him just for attempting to buy something twenty years ago?

The typical defense of “these women want money” doesn’t really hold water, either. It seems unlikely that so many women—most of whom are in their 50s and 60s—would suddenly be willing to put themselves under the unforgiving glare of the public eye over something so sordid just in the hopes of a payday. There are more than 20 women, including supermodel Beverly Johnson and actress Michelle Hurd—they can’t all expect to get rich from one celebrity scandal. Many of them don’t need to lie for money. And extortion makes a lot more sense before a story hits the news wire, not after. In this cockamamie get-rich scheme, would they all issue an apology if he cut a check?

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And that is the problem with what Rashad has said. In stating “forget those women,” even “it’s not about the women,” she—and all Cosby Truthers, really—aren’t even pretending to want the facts or further investigation. They want it to go away. They’ve already decided he’s innocent. They’ve decided that if you do enough “good,” nothing bad anyone says you have done should be given any credence.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/08/phylicia-rashad-and-the-cult-of-cosby-truthers.html

 

[IzzyBlanche]

PERFORMANCE
Cosby clamps down on smartphones in London
The London Free Press
Thursday, January 8, 2015 8:07:42 EST PM
http://www.lfpress.com/2015/01/08/comedian-bill-cosby-takes-stage-at-budwesier-gardens-in-london

From the article (tweets), it looks like BC made joke re: drinks/allegations, yikes.

http://www.lfpress.com/2015/01/08/comedian-bill-cosby-takes-stage-at-budwesier-gardens-in-london

From link:

An hour into Cosby’s 90-minute show at the Budweiser Gardens, a woman in the front row stood up and asked him if he wanted a drink.

Many of the 30 women who have come forward with allegations against Cosby have claimed he offered them drinks mixed with sedatives.

“You have to be careful about drinking around me,” Cosby said.

The crowd of around 1,500, all clearly Cosby fans, audibly groaned.

Yet they gave him a standing ovation.
Rape jokes are funny! ha ha ha ha!
uke:

 

[Slebby]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/08/phylicia-rashad-and-the-cult-of-cosby-truthers.html

What an excellent article.
I ask the Cosby defenders here to please read it. Then, if you disagree with what I see as a well-reasoned case against conspiracies, and against the "money motive", please discuss your reasons.
I am all for discussion, I respect the rights of folks to disagree, but I also find it frustrating to see the victims disbelieved, or Cosby defended, yet with no theory to explain how a conspiracy has come together, who is behind it, or what evidence there is to prove the women are motivated by money.

IMHO


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[Slebby]

Why Black Women are Jumping to Bill Cosby's Defense - And Why They Should Stop

http://time.com/3661669/bill-cosby-...ign=Feed:+time/topstories+(TIME:+Top+Stories)

"I am black and I am a woman. I cannot and will not choose which identity supersedes the other when conversations like these go public. Black women are too often charged with prioritizing race over gender under a cloak of a racial “unity” that doesn’t always benefit us because of sexism and misogyny within our communities. We’re told to keep these talks “in house” so that we don’t let white people see our internal conflicts, which, we’re told, impede progress as a people. This silence has caused, in some cases, irreparable damage not only to our bodies and minds, but to our families and communities."

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Why Black Women are Jumping to Bill Cosby's Defense - And Why They Should Stop

http://time.com/3661669/bill-cosby-...ign=Feed:+time/topstories+(TIME:+Top+Stories)

"I am black and I am a woman. I cannot and will not choose which identity supersedes the other when conversations like these go public. Black women are too often charged with prioritizing race over gender under a cloak of a racial “unity” that doesn’t always benefit us because of sexism and misogyny within our communities. We’re told to keep these talks “in house” so that we don’t let white people see our internal conflicts, which, we’re told, impede progress as a people. This silence has caused, in some cases, irreparable damage not only to our bodies and minds, but to our families and communities."

Im glad someone thinks that they know all the facts and that writing an article means they have all the answers to this case.

I don't believe any of these rumors against him. Not one. I think it has all been orchestrated by one angry person who is set on vengeance. I don't care that people may not agree with me but it has become way to easy in this time to just name someone, accuse them of something and ruin them without ever setting foot in a court room and having to present evidence to support your claim.

I don't care if 100 women all come forward with lawyers and stories. I find it completely telling that none of them are within the statute of limitations. It bothers me.

 

[Slebby]

This is what I keep saying - if there's a conspiracy theory, can someone explain it to me?

http://www.theroot.com/articles/culture/2015/01/the_cosby_conspiracy_theories_are_thin.html

"If Cosby is the victim of felonious accusations, as many believe, then who is the villain? Who has the motive? How was it planned out? Has the ominous person or governmental agency contacted each of the women and worked out dates and timelines? And more specifically, what is the gain here?"

Precisely! What is the gain here? Bring down a 77 year old almost blind man? And when was this conspiracy hatched? In 2000, with Lachele Covington's accusation? Then the conspiracy went back into hiding, until 2005? Then trickled out in an Inquirer article here, a People magazine article there, a Howard Stern interview there....until 2014, which was the REAL plan all along, wait until Cosby is real old and no one really thinks about him anymore...makes.no.sense.

imo

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

This is what I keep saying - if there's a conspiracy theory, can someone explain it to me?

http://www.theroot.com/articles/culture/2015/01/the_cosby_conspiracy_theories_are_thin.html

"If Cosby is the victim of felonious accusations, as many believe, then who is the villain? Who has the motive? How was it planned out? Has the ominous person or governmental agency contacted each of the women and worked out dates and timelines? And more specifically, what is the gain here?"

Precisely! What is the gain here? Bring down a 77 year old almost blind man? And when was this conspiracy hatched? In 2000, with Lachele Covington's accusation? Then the conspiracy went back into hiding, until 2005? Then trickled out in an Inquirer article here, a People magazine article there, a Howard Stern interview there....until 2014, which was the REAL plan all along, wait until Cosby is real old and no one really thinks about him anymore...makes.no.sense.

imo

The point is that just because we don't have the answers yet to whose behind it does not make it not true. When I weigh the experience of life and his legacy of 70 years with the allegations that have come out in the last few months in an avalanche I just don't buy it.

It is far easier to slander someone these days and get away with it making it seem as it is true without ever seeing a court room.

 

[Montjoy]

It is far easier to slander someone these days and get away with it making it seem as it is true without ever seeing a court room.

It's not slander until it sees a court room, though. Why aren't BC's lawyers suing for slander?

More to the point, how is it that you're willing to accuse these women of slander, with no evidence whatsoever, while you're unwilling to entertain the possibility that they may be telling the truth about rape or sexual assaults? Neither side of this has seen a court. But you're willing to dismiss so many women who have no connection to each other while defending one man, against whom there appears to be a good deal of evidence. It doesn't seem the least bit consistent to me, and it highlights one of the big reasons women are so often reluctant to come forward in rape cases.

 

[BirdycatNY]

Im glad someone thinks that they know all the facts and that writing an article means they have all the answers to this case.

I don't believe any of these rumors against him. Not one. I think it has all been orchestrated by one angry person who is set on vengeance. I don't care that people may not agree with me but it has become way to easy in this time to just name someone, accuse them of something and ruin them without ever setting foot in a court room and having to present evidence to support your claim.

I don't care if 100 women all come forward with lawyers and stories. I find it completely telling that none of them are within the statute of limitations. It bothers me.

If your going down the "conspiracy" line of thinking re: SOL, hypothetically wouldn't it make more sense that BC made sure that allegations never went anywhere until SOL ran out. It's much more convenient for BC if his PR people could keep everything under-wraps throughout the many years via pay-offs not going to LE etc. Although there may be evidence that supports that "conspiracy" hypothetically ie money orders.

The goal of your imaginary conspiracy must be to get BC out of business? Criminal and civil recourse for the alleged victims would be stronger if within SOL, so what do you think the "goal" of this conspiracy? Please provide links/facts to support your theory. And of course who would be the conspirators?, because clearly these alleged victims would not do this hurt BC's career, so there must be some powerhouse in control. All hypothetically, and I'm really curious about this conspiracy, but it also may be cognitive dissonance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance. JMO

 

[IzzyBlanche]

I find it completely telling that none of them are within the statute of limitations.

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You are mistaken.

Chloe Goins, now 24, claims Cosby drugged and sexually assaulted her at the Playboy Mansion in 2008—well within the statute of limitations laws that have complicated previous allegations.

Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/...t-at-playboy-mansion.html#Yl9xiG05gxDW8c7Y.99

 

[IzzyBlanche]

The point is that just because we don't have the answers yet to whose behind it does not make it not true. When I weigh the experience of life and his legacy of 70 years with the allegations that have come out in the last few months in an avalanche I just don't buy it.

It is far easier to slander someone these days and get away with it making it seem as it is true without ever seeing a court room.

It's not just that we don't have the answers yet.

We don't even have a reasonable hypothesis yet.

And the fact that some people believe in a conspiracy without a shred of evidence supporting it doesn't make it true, either.

You want evidence before you will believe that these women were raped, yet you believe in a conspiracy against Bill Cosby for which there is no evidence whatsoever.

That bothers me.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

It's not slander until it sees a court room, though. Why aren't BC's lawyers suing for slander?

Snipped for focus

Also, why are they trying to dig up dirt on the accusers rather than dig up evidence that, for example, BC couldn't have committed such-and-such assault because he was performing in a different state on that date?

If you can't refute the message, attack the messenger. That's why.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

This is what I keep saying - if there's a conspiracy theory, can someone explain it to me?

http://www.theroot.com/articles/culture/2015/01/the_cosby_conspiracy_theories_are_thin.html

"If Cosby is the victim of felonious accusations, as many believe, then who is the villain? Who has the motive? How was it planned out? Has the ominous person or governmental agency contacted each of the women and worked out dates and timelines? And more specifically, what is the gain here?"

Precisely! What is the gain here? Bring down a 77 year old almost blind man? And when was this conspiracy hatched? In 2000, with Lachele Covington's accusation? Then the conspiracy went back into hiding, until 2005? Then trickled out in an Inquirer article here, a People magazine article there, a Howard Stern interview there....until 2014, which was the REAL plan all along, wait until Cosby is real old and no one really thinks about him anymore...makes.no.sense.

imo

From link:

During an NAACP speech in 2004, Cosby stated, "They're standing on the corner and they can't speak English. I can't even talk the way these people talk ... 'Why you ain't' ... 'Where you is' ... 'What he drive' ... 'Where he stay' ... 'Where he work' ... 'Who you be' ... And I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk."

It was almost as if the Cosby of that era were complaining about the characters he created in Fat Albert—I don't recall Mushmouth speaking the language of the queen.

:lol:

 

[Leilei]

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Also, why are they trying to dig up dirt on the accusers rather than dig up evidence that, for example, BC couldn't have committed such-and-such assault because he was performing in a different state on that date?

If you can't refute the message, attack the messenger. That's why.

Exactly. We, on this forum, have seen it again and again. Jodi Arias, anyone?

 

[Leilei]

Im glad someone thinks that they know all the facts and that writing an article means they have all the answers to this case.

I don't believe any of these rumors against him. Not one. I think it has all been orchestrated by one angry person who is set on vengeance. I don't care that people may not agree with me but it has become way to easy in this time to just name someone, accuse them of something and ruin them without ever setting foot in a court room and having to present evidence to support your claim.

I don't care if 100 women all come forward with lawyers and stories. I find it completely telling that none of them are within the statute of limitations. It bothers me.

At least one has been in the courtroom, and he settled. What does that tell you? MJ settled, too, and people are still so eager to label him a pedophile based on other peoples claims. True? Not true? At least he tried to defend himself. Look at the pedophile claims of those in Operation Yewtree in England. These victims deserve a voice, and they are getting one now, when sexual abuse and rape are taken much more seriously. I applaud these women for coming forward. The ones who initially came forward gave the others the courage to tell about what happened to them, too.

The ONLY way this will be settled is if Cosby speaks up, in court. If he has proof, fine. But, if those security videos from Hefners place are retrievable, he's in hotter water than he is right now. He's making jokes about this but refuses to speak out about it. Sorry, but he has lost every ounce of respect and admiration I ever had for him, and I'm not the only one.

In my opinion.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

HAMILTON, Ontario – Hecklers stood up and chanted repeatedly "we believe the women," at Bill Cosby's third and final performance of a Canadian tour Friday night.

The hecklers then marched out of the theater as the 77-year-old comedian asked his audience not to react.

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2015/01/09/bill-cosby-heckled-at-canadian-show/

 

[Leilei]

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2015/01/09/bill-cosby-heckled-at-canadian-show/

Good for them!!!

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

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Also, why are they trying to dig up dirt on the accusers rather than dig up evidence that, for example, BC couldn't have committed such-and-such assault because he was performing in a different state on that date?

If you can't refute the message, attack the messenger. That's why.

That's what I keep going back to! His defense team has the ability to prove where BC was on each of the dates in question via travel records, venue contracts, etc......that is why they are slinging mud at the accusers' reputations in order to misdirect suspicion. If innocent of these allegations it would be very simple for them to prove where BC was......but they aren't doing that are they?

 

[Really?]

Dear Phylicia Rashad:

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than speak and remove all doubt."

You're welcome.

:silly:

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

At least one has been in the courtroom, and he settled. What does that tell you? MJ settled, too, and people are still so eager to label him a pedophile based on other peoples claims. True? Not true? At least he tried to defend himself. Look at the pedophile claims of those in Operation Yewtree in England. These victims deserve a voice, and they are getting one now, when sexual abuse and rape are taken much more seriously. I applaud these women for coming forward. The ones who initially came forward gave the others the courage to tell about what happened to them, too.

The ONLY way this will be settled is if Cosby speaks up, in court. If he has proof, fine. But, if those security videos from Hefners place are retrievable, he's in hotter water than he is right now. He's making jokes about this but refuses to speak out about it. Sorry, but he has lost every ounce of respect and admiration I ever had for him, and I'm not the only one.

In my opinion.

Selling does not mean guilt. And there were never Criiminal charges in any of these cases. Cases like this bring the roaches out of the wood work. Any one can say anything. I have seen too many people destroyed by implied guilt and not proven guilt. Richard Jewel being one that comes to mind instantly. There was also a case locally where a teacher was accused of inappropriate behavior with a student. It was in the papers there were 3 of them that came forward and claimed the whole thing was true. It looked bad however towards the end of the trial they admitted they all lied.
Lets talk about the women who say rape when that is not at all what happened. Women lie. Just like men do. I just don't understand a culture in which people can be believed because it is in the media or because there is more than one of them.

How does one have proof they are innocent of made up charges?

I am find standing in support of a man where no charges are pending and the only proof is stories replayed in the media.
If there are charges, a court case, I will listen and pay attention. But I will not judge someone guilty from the media and women who conveniently have all waited until the statue of limitations is up.