Rape allegations mount against Bill Cosby #2

[rosemadderlake]

If one files a civil suit, what do you think they want?

-The truth?

 

[Trino]

-The truth?

Have you seen this? Gloria Alfred wants 100 million set aside for victims.

A civil lawsuit is the court-based process through which a person can seek to hold another person liable for a wrong. Usually, if successful, he or she will be awarded compensation for harm that resulted.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-gloria-allred-bill-cosby-20141203-story.html

 

[Donjeta]

As far as I'm concerned, the whole thing is BS. Anyone who goes/meets alone. . .well, you know the rest, and drinks it or takes it is., .well, you fill in the blanks.

Cosby and a lot of others must have been like buffalo in new grass with the women wanting stardom and/or recognition. Shame on 'em, and I don't mean Cosby.

I think that's what is wrong with today's world, no one takes responsibility for their OWN actions, they want to foist it off on someone else.
My opinion of course.

That sounds like a perfect argument for a rapist who doesn't want to take responsibility for his own actions and wants to foist it off on someone else.
MOO.

If you're a poor harassed celebrity who is so troubled by women who want to become stars, the answer is not to grope, drug and rape them. You can tell them politely you're not willing to mentor them at this time and if they won't leave quietly, call your security or the police.

Just because someone might give me the perfect opportunity to steal, rape, harass, molest, assault, murder [insert any other crime] doesn't mean it's right and justified for me to do so.

 

[Tulessa]

If one files a civil suit, what do you think they want?

That would be speculating, no? If I was one of his victims, I would slap a lawsuit against him so fast, his head would be bobbing. This thread is so heart breaking. Is it just me? or am I the only one that fills compassion for these women?

 

[Donjeta]

The people that heard the rumors COULDN'T do anything about it. We also don't know that they all "looked away", I am sure many that heard the rumors warned women they knew.

They couldn't do anything in terms of legal proceedings but I think everyone had a choice when it comes to how they were dealing with him.

No one had any legal obligation to invite him to talk to the students and give him honorary positions of trust but he's got a lot of honorary gestures, accolades and praise after he settled the case with Andrea Constand. "Hmm this man has been accused of raping multiple women... should we make speeches in his honor because he's such a great influence on the world and has given so much?" This was a choice many people had the opportunity to make and they chose to ignore a couple of named people and several Jane Does who were willing to testify that he sexually assaulted them and sent the world a message that it didn't matter. IMO that counts as looking away.

 

[waitin'4thewrld2chg]

Bill Cosby praises wife's 'love and strength' as she sticks with him despite dozens of women accusing him of raping them

When asked by a reporter from the New York Post's Page Six how she was coping he said: 'Love and the strength of womanhood.' He then repeated the phrase twice more.

He also told the reporter to keep a 'neutral mind' when reporting the rape claims, claiming to do anything else would be bad journalism.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...women-accusing-raping-them.html#ixzz3LsChL0pw

BBM

This is one of those occasions when I wonder if more was said than was intended. If Cosby were one hundred percent innocent of everything…never drugged even one woman, never raped even one woman, why would he state three times, 'Love and the strength of womanhood' when asked how his wife is coping? Why would his wife need strength if nothing ever happened?

Dealing with false accusations might make the accused/spouse as mad as wet hens and there might be a need or desire to mobilize in some way, or shut out the world, or sue, but strength? As in forbearance and endurance and all that? Hmmm.

I also never realized that strength was gender-specific. I wonder what the "strength of womanhood" is? Hopefully, the definition doesn’t include putting up with a bunch of baloney, or worse, that the "strength of manhood" creates.

 

[BritsKate]

If one files a civil suit, what do you think they want?

Justice. For some let down by the legal system, this may be their only recourse. We see this time and again in so many cases - from rape to murder and everything in between. A very real hypothetical for you to ponder:

A man is acquitted of murder because of a mistake made by the police, or a legal technicality, or a lab error. The victims family sues the accused but acquitted murderer for financial compensation. Do you really think that's what they want? Does money replace their loved one? Does it bring them back? Of course it doesn't - but hurting the accused but acquitted murderer financially, and furthermore publicizing the crime, may be the last recourse they have to something resembling justice simply because a flawed criminal justice system let them down.

 

[BritsKate]

As far as I'm concerned, the whole thing is BS. Anyone who goes/meets alone. . .well, you know the rest, and drinks it or takes it is., .well, you fill in the blanks.

Cosby and a lot of others must have been like buffalo in new grass with the women wanting stardom and/or recognition. Shame on 'em, and I don't mean Cosby.

I think that's what is wrong with today's world, no one takes responsibility for their OWN actions, they want to foist it off on someone else.
My opinion of course.

Isn't this kind of like 'She was wearing a mini skirt so she deserved being raped' argument? Why is the onus of responsibility placed on victims simply to remove it from a perpetrator? We all make mistakes in life - some with devastating consequences - because, unfortunately, life doesn't come with a crystal ball. This is about a man in a position of power, someone who likely appeared helpful and generous, because as we know too well from too many cases - a predator purposely manipulates victims or else there simply wouldn't be any victims. How was anyone to know that he'd drug them? Please trust when I say that, if their stories are true, not only are they taking responsibility for having made a mistake and finding themselves a victim - they're also living in a hell too few understand. Every day. All day. Have a look sometime at the statistics of sexual abuse and assault victims. Find out what happens post-assault/abuse.

An emotive issue, obviously, for me. I was date raped at 15 because I put myself in a bad situation - alone with someone I trusted. I was young, naive, and stupid but I didn't deserve to be raped for it. And 23 years later I still wonder if there are others. Should I have spoken out? Could I have saved someone else going through what I did? My 14 year old niece was drugged and raped by my ex-husband. My ex-MIL to this day blames her for seducing him. A 14 year old kid, high to the moon, against a 43 year old adult male. So what should she have done differently? Not worn short shorts? Not hung out with her uncle? Not be a teenage girl who trusted someone else?

The responsibility for committing a crime is solely on the perpetrator. The victims have the luxury of a life sentence while many predators will never spend a minute in jail as sexual assault and abuse is still largely unreported, in part, because the victim experiences shame, guilt, and humiliation. They're told by society that their actions caused them to be raped. How is that fair?

 

[Sonya610]

Here is how I have always interpreted Bill Clinton's denial: in his mind "sexual relations" meant penis-vagina intercourse. Since he didn't do that with Monica Lewinsky, he could deny sexual relations and be telling the truth in his own mind.

Yeah, I always thought that that too. In addition Clinton's activities didn't qualify as a "heinous crime" by western standards, he was accused of being a philanderer not a rapist.

 

[Sonya610]

A darker thought just occurred to me. If 30 women have actually come forward after all of these years then the actual number of victims could easily be in the hundreds.

If someone were "randomly" drugging hundreds of victims to the point of unconsciousness I would expect a fatality or two over the years. Plus he wasn't dealing with Amish girls, many were actresses and models; start mixing date rape drugs with alcohol, recreational drugs, diet pills etc... and that makes the risk even greater.

How many skeletons are in his closet? And how many people knew about THAT???

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

I wonder how BC was able to access all these drugs? I guess $$$$ equals connections

 

[Knitty]

Thank you Donjeta. I've been typing and backspacing forever here, and I just can't say what I want without threatening my membership status.

 

[melissasmom]

Thank you Donjeta. I've been typing and backspacing forever here, and I just can't say what I want without threatening my membership status.

You are not alone Knitty. I did the same thing. I have done a lot of reading on victim-blaming when it comes to rape. These types of people normally have quite a bit of hostility to women among other issues. I just call them part of the bunch I have deemed "nasties" (not a psychological term lol) Nasties are just people who I think are extremely unhappy with life (even if they don't admit it to themselves)and like to tear others down, usually to make themselves feel better. Doesn't make sense to me, but we all know people like that.

I am a big believer in Karma though. If you put out nasty, eventually that is what you are going to get back. Unfortunate.

 

[melissasmom]

No bub, time for all rapists to MAN UP and own their own disgusting, despicable, and ILLEGAL behavior.

It's taking too long, but things are changing and eventually, these completely assinine, sexist, outdated, medieval notions men try to fling at victims will be DONE and rapists will get what they have coming.

It's a new day.

And btw, where did you pick up your misogynist leanings? Were you raised by wolves? Time to enter a new century, cowboy.

Good reply, but I believe the poster you are quoting is female. :shame:

 

[nrdsb4]

Good reply, but I believe the poster you are quoting is female. :shame:

Well, not that surprising. Unfortunately, wherever you find a male with a disgusting point of view, there is often a woman standing behind him, backing up his BS.

shaming is often perpetrated by other women who have serious issues of their own.

 

[Donjeta]

Free will. An interesting concept, hard to prove scientifically, but many say they have observed its effects in practice.

Here's an exercise in free will: Picture yourself somewhere where you see drunk women who are wearing little clothing. A raucous pool party might be good. There are lots of beauties in bikinis, bare skin, free rounds of champagne (if there aren't any don't worry, you can use your credit card to offer drinks, this is just a mental exercise.) Eventually some of the scantily clad women will be drunk. They might flirt with you if they're drunk enough that even you look attractive. Maybe someone will take their bikini top off. You're floating in the pool with a topless woman. Boy, she's really very very drunk... wonder what else she's taken. Her eyes look kind of high and she's slurring her speech. Probably won't remember much from tonight.

Now, what are your options? A. Do you help her upstairs in a vacant room and leave her to sleep it off? B. Do you ask for a friend of hers to take care of her? C. Do you find her a shirt and call a taxi to take her home? D. Should you call an ambulance? E. Do you walk away and assume that someone else will take care of her before she drowns in the pool? F. Do you rape her? Because what else could you do...after all she's half naked and half unconscious, and she blew you a kiss earlier in the evening, a clear come-on signal.

If you see several of the options A-E, congratulations, you might have free will. If there's only F, you may need to be locked up because you have an irresistible compulsion to commit violent sexual crimes and you're suffering from a severe lack of imagination as well.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Have you seen this? Gloria Alfred wants 100 million set aside for victims.

A civil lawsuit is the court-based process through which a person can seek to hold another person liable for a wrong. Usually, if successful, he or she will be awarded compensation for harm that resulted.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-gloria-allred-bill-cosby-20141203-story.html

And Gloria Allred knows as well as anybody that there is no way in hell Bill Cosby is going to pony up that $100 million.

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

EXCLUSIVE: 'I was only 18 when Bill Cosby drugged me. I woke up naked; he was licking my toes.' Comedian faces new claim he committed sex attack at the Playboy Mansion just SIX years ago on woman who has contacted police

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ust-SIX-years-ago-woman-contacted-police.html

 

[Slebby]

I was really glad when Gloria Allred showed up on the scene. I loved it. Until that point, I felt that BC's lawyer was neutralizing the accusers to certain degree by basically calling them liars. Gloria Allred came along and empowered these women. She threw BC and his lawyer back on their heels, and put the onus on them to put up or shut up. The response from the C camp? Crickets.

I don't care if you love GA or hate her. The woman is loaded, she can pick and choose her clients. She doesn't have a very high chance of winning any legal battles with BC, and she knows it. I think she just lent her name and reputation to these woman to show BC up for who he is and to say she will go to bat for these woman, and that BC and his legal team will not control the conversation. Brilliant.

I don't recall if Mr. Singer has commented since GA showed up, has he? And has he responded to Beverly Johnson's story? I bet he's getting very weary of representing BC.

All imho of course.

 

[Donjeta]

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertai...essorship-suspended-spelman-article-1.2045472

A historically black, liberal arts women’s college in Atlanta is finally distancing itself from benefactor Bill Cosby.

Spelman College announced it was indefinitely suspending the William and Camille Olivia Hanks Cosby Endowed Professorship, which was funded by a $20 million gift by the Cosbys in 1987, the Atlanta Journal Constitution reported.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/opinion...des-behind-wife-race-card-20141215-story.html

A week doesn't go by without Bill Cosby falling farther from grace.


Now the accused serial sexual abuser and one-time comic has found a way to make himself appear even worse: He's hiding behind his wife -- and -- the race card.

And he's doubling down by playing the race card too. He told Page 6 "I only expect the black media to uphold standards of excellence in journalism." Journalism sees no color. I know Cosby knows that, but he has few public friends at this point and may he's hoping black journalists will give him a free ride on this story. I don't believe that will happen.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ays-he-expects-black-media-to-remain-neutral/

Some Twitter reactions in this post.

Cosby — who is being represented by lawyers Martin Singer and John B. Schmitt — added that he’s been advised by his legal team not to talk to the media, according to the paper. That didn’t stop the 77-year-old comedian, who reportedly sounded “upbeat” on the phone, from commenting on how his wife of about 51 years was dealing with the onslaught of negative attention.

“Love and the strength of womanhood,” Cosby told the paper. “Let me say it again, love and the strength of womanhood. And, you could reverse it, the strength of womanhood and love.”

Does the repetition and reversal of word order add something to the statement? I don't get it.
http://www.musictimes.com/articles/...-scandal-plays-race-card-divert-attention.htm

Incl video of a discussion where someone says she still wants to watch the Cosby Show with her son as the spirit of the show is positive. Another person says there are lots of artists who he wouldn't want near his family but no one's pretending that R. Kelly's music is some kind of life instructions and that's how most of what Cosby has done has been pretended. Then they talk about what he should say and somebody answers, "I didn't do it".

It is more than a little bit ironic that Cosby opted to make a statement that would separate journalists by color, especially at this point in time when racial tensions are perhaps at an all-time high thanks to high-profile cases in Ferguson, Missouri, and New York City. Cosby knew what he was tapping into when making that statement, and it also links to a bigger issue that is playing out in the form of protests all over the country.
Focusing on the racial divide, whether it is because of police actions or rooted in the media, takes the attention off anything Cosby may or may not have done, right?