Rape allegations mount against Bill Cosby #2

[IzzyBlanche]

A lawyer representing a woman who has accused Bill Cosby of sexually assaulting when she was 15 stated in a court filing that he has interviewed two witnesses who corroborate her story.
Attorney Marc Strecker wrote in a sworn declaration filed in Los Angeles Superior Court Friday that he has reviewed photographs of his client, Judy Huth, with Cosby at the Playboy Mansion in the mid-1970s, the place and time she says the abuse happened.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rt-Cosby-sex-abuse-lawsuit.html#ixzz3M1x5fjUo
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[IzzyBlanche]

Bill Cosby's dishonest call for press neutrality

But what is Cosby really asking for here? Should reporters display “a neutral mind” by covering each allegation as if they are independent from one another, rather than indicative of an alleged pattern of behavior? That’s a suggestion that casts objectivity as a kind of repetitive amnesia. If Cosby’s understanding of “the standards of excellence in journalism” requires reporters to get comment from all parties to a story, should Cosby’s repeated refusal to respond to the allegations against him mean that outlets can’t report on those allegations at all?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...l-cosbys-dishonest-call-for-press-neutrality/

 

[IzzyBlanche]

I'm not sure why Camille Cosby needs Bill Cosby's support right now. But I know why he needs her support.

In today's celeb culture, it is quite normal and regular to find men accused of abusing women trotting out their wives and girlfriends to help them apologize. The logic goes: I did something bad, but not so bad that this lovely woman next to me has left me. So if she loves me still, so should you."

...

And he's doubling down by playing the race card too. He told Page 6 "I only expect the black media to uphold standards of excellence in journalism." Journalism sees no color. I know Cosby knows that, but he has few public friends at this point and may he's hoping black journalists will give him a free ride on this story.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/opinion...des-behind-wife-race-card-20141215-story.html

 

[IzzyBlanche]

I not sure what to make of CC. I feel both sad for her - she's pathetic - and angry at her, because she is also victimizing the victims further by questioning their honesty. One thing I'm sure about - she made this statement because she was asked/told to by BC and/or his PR/Legal team. In fact, it would not surprise me if they wrote the statement for her.

Hopefully the effect of making this statement will be a nagging case of second-guessing herself and she will ultimately face the fact that (facing) the truth will set her free.

IMHO


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She has had ample opportunity to face the truth: the Autumn Jackson extortion case in which BC admitted infidelity; Andrea Constand's lawsuit, during which BC claimed that the "sex" was consensual, and the attendant number of women who were willing to go to court to testify in this lawsuit regarding similar experiences.

If she hasn't by now, she never will. And that is her choice, and her right.

But she should either proclaim her undying belief in Bill's innocence and leave it at that, or keep her piehole shut rather than trying to disparage the victims.

And trying to convince us all what a wonderful husband Cosby is when it is publicly documented that he has admitted to the two "infidelities" I noted above.

Please, woman, don't insult my intelligence by claiming that an admitted multiple cheater, at best, is a wonderful husband.

IMO of course.

 

[Donjeta]

Uh, oh, journalistic standards expert Bill Cosby is now upset with Stacy Brown. I guess he can't get a fair shake even from the black media.

“Mr. Brown did not indicate that he was interviewing Mr. Cosby for publication, did not say that he was reporting for the New York Post, and did not tell Mr. Cosby that the conversation was being recorded,” John P. Schmitt, an attorney for Cosby, said in a statement Monday. “In a discussion of journalistic standards, Mr. Brown failed to adhere to the most basic standards of his profession.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifest...e6c_story.html

Whaa? he knew it was the media, he hung up saying his people didn't want him talking to the media?

Brown said that Cosby clearly knew he was speaking to a reporter because he ended the brief conversation by saying he wasn’t supposed to speak to the media. But Brown also said he did not identify himself as a New York Post reporter, because the conversation was so short. (The entire call, Brown says, was less than two minutes.) When he spoke with Cosby last year, though, it was clear to Cosby’s representatives that he often freelanced for the New York Post.

Is NYP too white to bother with? What does it matter which paper he works for, the story is in all of them within four hours.

Brown, 46, interviewed Cosby 18 months ago for a story published by the Informer and the black-owned Baltimore Times, as well as the New York Post. The story was about Cosby’s criticism of African Americans for not taking responsibility for antisocial behavior.

Like, um, drugging and raping people...? My wife says I'm the victim, so there.


IDK, I do feel sorry for Camille, what a dreadful position to be in. But it appears quite well documented that her wonderful husband has been a serial philanderer throughout his life. (Unless he's convinced her to agree to some sort of free arrangement that gives him leave to grope Bunnies at will so that makes it OK, sort of?)

But I can't see much in that statement to convince me he did not do anything. It does not even SAY he did not do anything, it just implies a lot of things but never comes out and states...

I met my husband, Bill Cosby, in 1963, and we were married in 1964. The man I met, and fell in love with, and whom I continue to love, is the man you all knew through his work

Funny, but sort of sanctimonious, judgmental and holier than thou?

He is a kind man, a generous man, a funny man, and a wonderful husband, father and friend. He is the man you thought you knew.

What kind of a mentor is he?

The man you thought you knew argument isn't really working because we all just seen the scripted side of him.

A different man has been portrayed in the media over the last two months. It is the portrait of a man I do not know.

Option 1. It's all lies.
Option 2. You didn't know him as well as you thought. Would he tell his wife about any of that? "Hi honey, how was your day?" "Nothing special, had a gig in Las Vegas, ate sushi, raped a model..."

It is also a portrait painted by individuals and organizations whom many in the media have given a pass. There appears to be no vetting of my husband's accusers before stories are published or aired. An accusation is published, and immediately goes viral.

Yes, that's so unfair. It should not go viral, it should be silenced and ignored and forgotten like the Andrea Constand case largely was until now.
I suppose vetting means she wants the media to dig up dirt about the accusers to discredit them but a lot of the dirt that you can dig up about people is not really relevant in proving they never got drugged and raped.

We all followed the story of the article in the "Rolling Stone" concerning allegations of rape at the University of Virginia. The story was heart-breaking, but ultimately appears to be proved to be untrue. Many in the media were quick to link that story to stories about my husband - until that story unwound.

Not relevant to me. The truth value of the UVA rape case has nothing to do with the truth value of any other rape case. It's just an attempt to confuse the issue.

None of us will ever want to be in the position of attacking a victim. But the question should be asked - who is the victim?

Don't ask him that. Ask him, "Did you do it?"

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Whaa? he knew it was the media, he hung up saying his people didn't want him talking to the media?

Snipped for focus

More and more I think he and his lawyers/handlers/wife believe the public is too stupid to put two and two together.

They may be right in some cases, but it appears to me--I hope so anyway--that the public is a bit less gullible than that.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Insomniac speculation:

If Bill Cosby thinks that only the "black media" will uphold journalistic standards of excellence, why isn't he making a beeline to Oprah asking for the chance to tell his story?

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

Good question izzy!

 

[Sonya610]

My question is, why doesn't Bill Cosby come out and make his OWN statement?

Maybe because their are a LOT MORE victims out there and he doesn't want to kick the hornets nest by saying they are all lying and he is being victimized?

Either that or he is simply too egotistical to admit any sort of failing.

 

[Donjeta]

Yes. I mentioned this a few posts back. If 30 came forward there could easily be hundreds that were victimized and I would think the odds are pretty good that it DID cause a death or two. Somehow I think Mr. Crosby could justify that too, he didn't MEAN to kill her and he DOES give a lot to society so all things considered he would likely see any "accidental" deaths as just bad luck.

Some of these incidents apparently happened at wild parties (Playboy Mansion etc...) which means he likely had no idea what recreational drugs were already being used when he doped them up.

The possibility that HH knew about it came up before and many of us thought that was an unfair accusation, but it seems there are more stories about playmates being raped (including a rumor about one named Paige who killed herself, that was alluded to in an interview someone posted). One incident can be explained away (maybe HH never heard about it) but multiple incidents imply that HH had to suspect and he kept ALLOWING it to happen even in his own home.

He'd be pretty stupid not to suspect anything...wouldn't he?
I mean, here he is, the owner of a place called Playboy Mansion where he entertains large, wild parties famous for the centerfolds and the ladies in short bunny costumes and the orgy rumors, and he thinks everyone comes to his parties just to be a good husband and father and nothing inappropriate ever happens?

IDK but I wondered if Hef's statement was more of an "OMG that's horrible, I can't believe Cos did something like that" or "OMG that's horrible we're so busted now"
From the Paige Young article:

Myers said she often went to the Playboy Mansion with Young and says the model often entered the infamous Playboy grotto, where orgies were said to prevail.
‘If you got invited to the Playboy Mansion and you didn’t go in to the grotto, your days were numbered, you’d get kicked.
‘I went two, three times to the mansion but got kicked because I wouldn’t enter the grotto.
‘One of the nights, I was up there with Paige, she was in the grotto that night.
‘When you’re in the grotto, this dingy, cave like place, it’s a sex free-for-all.
‘There were a lot of celebrities up there, celebrity men and young pretty girls.’

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ing-men-took-gun-shot-head.html#ixzz3M3ALustL

Hopefully most people were there voluntarily and not convinced or coerced to enter while completely out of it and unable to make reasoned decisions...but well, anyway, if Hef has such a facility on his premises he can't be surprised if some bad people occasionally are attracted to his parties and some bad things happen.

Personally I think pressuring anyone to "take part in this orgy or else" is not quite morally OK even if it's not legally rape and they're free to leave if they'd rather take part in "or else". If it's not "Take part in this orgy if you want to" but there are conditions attached "you can leave but you will lose your job here if you do" it might get uncomfortably close to coercion and manipulation.

HH probably has a rather original view of what kind of sexual boundaries should be respected and what all are rich and famous guys entitled to so I wouldn't necessarily even take his word that Bill Cosby didn't do anything wrong in his presence. Would he even recognize the same wrongs most regular people would?

 

[Sonya610]

Hopefully most people were there voluntarily and not convinced or coerced to enter while completely out of it and unable to make reasoned decisions...but well, anyway, if Hef has such a facility on his premises he can't be surprised if some bad people occasionally are attracted to his parties and some bad things happen.

Personally I think pressuring anyone to "take part in this orgy or else" is not quite morally OK even if it's not legally rape and they're free to leave if they'd rather take part in "or else". If it's not "Take part in this orgy if you want to" but there are conditions attached "you can leave but you will lose your job here if you do" it might get uncomfortably close to coercion and manipulation.

Seemed the implication was if you never participate you won't be invited back; the same as if you wanted to attend swingers parties. If you never participate chances are they will stop inviting you.

Seeing as how the Playboy mansion had a reputation for orgies and free sex, they ALL knew it so that attitude does not seem surprising, plus you can be sure inviting celebrities was a hook to bring girls in. Many of the girls WANTED the chance to hook up with the rich and famous to advance their careers or find a rich sugar daddy so they participated to further their OWN goals.

It is in fact a lot like running a brothel, the management is responsible for ensuring the safety of the workers and there are rules; if a client is dangerous or violates the terms the management has an obligation to get rid of them. It appears HH may have failed in that respect.

 

[Donjeta]

Seemed the implication was if you never participate you won't be invited back; the same as if you wanted to attend swingers parties. If you never participate chances are they will stop inviting you.

Seeing as how the Playboy mansion had a reputation for orgies and free sex, they ALL knew it so that attitude does not seem surprising, plus you can be sure inviting celebrities was a hook to bring girls in. Many of the girls WANTED the chance to hook up with the rich and famous to advance their careers or find a rich sugar daddy so they participated to further their OWN goals.

It is in fact a lot like running a brothel, the management is responsible for ensuring the safety of the workers and there are rules; if a client is dangerous or violates the terms the management has an obligation to get rid of them. It appears HH may have failed in that respect.

Yeah, the girls who wanted it would fall into the voluntary category in my mind and that wouldn't present a problem, at least in terms of being a victim of a sexual crime. If you think an orgy improves your career chances so much that it's worth it, go ahead, none of my business. I'm sure there were a lot of girls there who had just the sex and never the career but I guess it falls under the potential mistakes that adults are allowed to make.

Then there are the girls who didn't want it and said no and got kicked out and were never invited back again or never entered the place in the first place. They would probably be OK, I doubt that there are too many elderly women these days who are regretting never becoming Bill Cosby's casual fling at the Playboy Mansion in the 1960s.

But I think there must have been many girls in the middle who liked the idea of being a film star and a model but thought the whole grotto idea sounded horrible and really didn't want it and said no at first and the second time but then they got offered more champagne and look, if you come with me you could become a star and here's a pill that will make you feel good, don't worry, it's not dangerous, and you're really pretty and have some more champagne and do you want a job as a bunny because Hef is a really good friend of mine if you know what I mean... and I know some people, if you don't have sex with me I'll make sure you never work in this town again and don't be like that, it's 1969 now, we've got the sexual freedom, don't be so uptight, hey, you've got hair like silk, it would look really good on the cover of Vogue, I know a photographer, and wow, you're kind of woozy, there's a nice little couch inside here, I'll take you in and make you really comfortable...

Some of them may very well have caved in after a load of manipulation and ended up taking part in something that they didn't truly want to happen at all while not quite sober, and I think these people are likely to end up getting the most emotionally damaged from the experience (and never get the Hollywood role either).

I suppose we could have an endless personal responsibility discussion about the decisions that lead the girls to the position that they were vulnerable to manipulation, I'm assuming they could have freely refused the invitation to the Playboy parties.

But well, in terms of personal responsibility, if I was the person trying to talk an intoxicated girl into taking part in an orgy that she didn't want to go to, using veiled threats, unfounded promises and all that, I'd think I was doing something wrong.

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

TMZ: Bill Cosby suggesting white journalists are giving him the short end of the stick is a bunch of crap -- and that's according to the head of a black journalists organization.

Bob Butler, President of the National Association of Black Journalists ... tells TMZ almost all reports on the sexual assault allegations against Cosby have been unbiased -- despite Cosby alleging white media (whatever that means) have it out for him.

In fact, Butler says black reporters should actually be pissed at Cosby's claim because ... "You don’t go easier on a person with color. Its wrong for journalism period."

He adds, "This not a color issue, this is a journalism issue … black people happen to be reporters."

Cosby -- not winning friends in the media ... of any race.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com#ixzz3M3wbOoSv

 

[IzzyBlanche]

It isn’t clear to me what Mr. Cosby means by “neutral mind.” One can report on the scandal objectively, as many in the black press and the so-called mainstream media have, but that doesn’t mean black journalists are somehow obliged to ignore the story. That would be a dereliction of their journalistic duty.

...

If there’s one lesson Mr. Cosby has pounded into the heads of black folks for the past decade, it is the importance of accountability. It is more than a little ironic that the man who embodied black respectability more than any other entertainment figure would suggest that black institutions do the opposite of due diligence when covering a major story about a fallen icon.

http://www.post-gazette.com/opinion...an-column-for-Opinion-16/stories/201412160066

 

[Trino]

Insomniac speculation:

If Bill Cosby thinks that only the "black media" will uphold journalistic standards of excellence, why isn't he making a beeline to Oprah asking for the chance to tell his story?

Most likely because his attorney told him not to do so.

 

[Slebby]

http://verysmartbrothas.com/the-10-...cosby-asking-tha-black-media-to-stay-neutral/

http://gawker.com/bill-cosbys-call-for-neutrality-from-black-journalists-1671648664


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[rosemadderlake]

The statements made by Cosby and his wife this week is a carefully crafted PR move. (imo)

I doubt Cosby will do any in-depth interviews acknowledging anything that would jeopardize dismissing the California lawsuit. If it is dismissed, that would be a big statement all by itself. Could a dismissal hamper any future civil litigation? I don’t know.

Bill Cosby may win one case in court

Cosby and his attorneys are not going quietly into the good night. They have filed a "demurrer", which challenges the legal sufficiency of the claims or the complaint itself. A demurrer essentially says the complaint is so defective as written, that it should be dismissed His attorneys have also gone on the offensive, asking the court to impose sanctions against the attorneys who filed this lawsuit.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/15/opinion/cevallos-cosby-complaint/

What Beverly Johnson did successfully in her piece for Vanity Fair was expose BC's M.O. - especially with BC's invitation and meeting with her and her young daughter, thereby securing trust and admiration.

Bbms below: -But I think Beverly Johnson may have discredited herself in the interview on The View where she said she 'didn’t think Cosby raped her', yet remembers other very specific details while drugged.
If Goldberg's questions made her nervous, I wonder why? These inconsistencies will work in Cosby’s favor – (imo)

'The View': Whoopi Goldberg questions Beverly Johnson's Cosby allegations

…”Unlike the other allegations, the supermodel says she blacked out but was removed from the house before any kind of sexual assault could transpire.

When Johnson recounts the story on the ABC program she is visibly nervous, especially when Goldberg questions her. When the model says she didn't think Cosby raped her when she was passed out, Goldberg, a longtime friend of Cosby's, jumps in to clarify whether or not she was sure. Goldberg then questions her about the details of her blackout and tries to pry out every memory out possible.”

http://www.zap2it.com/blogs/the_vie...erly_johnsons_cosby_allegations_video-2014-12

 

[Donjeta]

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2014/12/15/bill-cosby-stacey-brown-black-media-remain-neutral

Brown joined Dr. Drew on Monday to elaborate on his discussion with Cosby. When asked if he came away with any surprises, Brown answered, "I came away thinking that this guy is either totally innocent or totally insane. Nothing seems to affect him at all."

Insane is more likely then...? If you're innocent wouldn't it affect you somehow to have two dozen women accusing you of things you didn't do?

In the video they're talking about when you talk to a journalist nothing is off the record unless it's officially off the record.

 

[Donjeta]

If Cosby’s understanding of “the standards of excellence in journalism” requires reporters to get comment from all parties to a story, should Cosby’s repeated refusal to respond to the allegations against him mean that outlets can’t report on those allegations at all?

Or does neutrality mean weighing Cosby’s value against that of Beverly Johnson, who is also black? Against that of Cosby’s white accusers? Or against Hannibal Buress, a young black comedian who reminded audiences of the allegations against Cosby in a stand-up routine that went viral?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...l-cosbys-dishonest-call-for-press-neutrality/

A lawyer for a woman who says Bill Cosby sexually abused her when she was 15 stated in a recent court filing that he has interviewed two witnesses who corroborate her story.
Attorney Marc Strecker wrote in a sworn declaration filed in Los Angeles Superior Court on Friday that he has reviewed photographs of his client, Judy Huth, with Cosby at the Playboy Mansion in the mid-1970s, the place and time she says the abuse happened.

Strecker's filing also includes a declaration from Dr. Anthony E. Reading, a clinical psychologist who interviewed Huth and stated there is "a reasonable basis to believe that Ms. Huth has been subject to childhood sexual abuse." Reading's statement does not mention Cosby. Strecker didn't return a call from AP.

Even Donald Trump weighs in
http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/27635552/donald-trump-bill-cosby

“I think he's probably guilty,” Trump told me in an exclusive interview Monday. “I think his defense has been horrible because he keeps going-- nothing, I'm not going to talk. When a person doesn't talk, that usually doesn't mean good things.”

Bill, you're fired.

Kathie Lee Gifford has been a staunch defender of Bill Cosby's character for weeks — but the "Today" show co-host revealed Tuesday that the scandal-plagued comic did try to kiss her once in the late '70s.

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/bill-cosby-kiss-kathie-lee-gifford-article-1.2047010

http://www.post-gazette.com/opinion...an-column-for-Opinion-16/stories/201412160066

It isn’t clear to me what Mr. Cosby means by “neutral mind.” One can report on the scandal objectively, as many in the black press and the so-called mainstream media have, but that doesn’t mean black journalists are somehow obliged to ignore the story. That would be a dereliction of their journalistic duty.

Readers of The New Pittsburgh Courier and every other black newspaper in the country expect full and comprehensive coverage of the Cosby scandal until it is resolved. I don’t know about other black newspapers, but the Courier has not dodged its responsibility in reporting on and editorializing about the scandal.

If there’s one lesson Mr. Cosby has pounded into the heads of black folks for the past decade, it is the importance of accountability. It is more than a little ironic that the man who embodied black respectability more than any other entertainment figure would suggest that black institutions do the opposite of due diligence when covering a major story about a fallen icon.

 

[Donjeta]

http://news-briefs.ew.com/2014/12/1.../?hootPostID=b3fd5222d2eb92f466a6bf54a5bcb81f

Bill Cosby’s daughter Evin Cosby released a statement to Access Hollywood Tuesday regarding the recent allegations against her father made by women who claim the comedian sexually assaulted them.
“He is the FATHER you thought you knew,” Evin’s statement reads. “The Cosby Show was my today’s tv reality show. Thank you. That’s all I would like to say

Somebody tweeted:
Rob Dixon ‏@dixon5000 10 min
#BillCosby Camille, leaving all rape allegations aside, the married father I knew on TV didn't frequent the Playboy Mansion.