Rape allegations mount against Bill Cosby #2

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Of course the statements are structured by their attys and pr people. This is a tough situation. If you pay people to take care of you, you follow their advice.
What I am most bothered about it is that I feel like the media has just thrown all the stories out there, and so more people come forward with the same story so how do we know they are telling the truth?

I don't know. I am still erring on fairness. Until there are charges Im not biting.

 

[Trino]

Cosby's daughter weighs in:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/16/bill-cosby-daughter-statement_n_6334700.html

 

[Slebby]

Cosby's daughter weighs in:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/16/bill-cosby-daughter-statement_n_6334700.html

Her statement means nothing. How many rapists share the details with their kids??


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[Donjeta]

The reasoning appears to be, "he's been kind to us so he couldn't be a rapist"

But I don't think those two rule each other out. I mean, allegedly he was kind to the 20+ women too, before he raped them. He'd have to have the ability to act decent to commit the kind of crimes he's said to have committed; if he behaved like a raging monster all the time he wouldn't have had the opportunity to mentor so many young women.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/dec/16/bill-cosby-wife-camille-who-the-real-victim-is
Bill Cosby's wife wants to know who the real victim is. There are all too many options

People tell themselves the most outrageous stories, just so they can keep living their lives – even just to make it to the next day

I’m not sure what kind of magical thinking it takes to convince yourself that more than 20 women with very similar stories are lying or part of some huge media misstep, but I am sure it has something to do with being married for as long as the Cosbys have been. Because believing the women who have come forward would mean admitting that almost your whole life had been built on quicksand.

Indeed, Camille Cosby’s statement feels like a desperate plea for people to hold on to the untouched “Cliff Huxtable” narrative so that she can, too:

The man I met, and fell in love with, and whom I continue to love, is the man you all knew through his work ... He is the man you thought you knew.

I’m sure the women who Cosby allegedly attacked thought they knew him, too. That’s why they trusted him.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/act-four/wp/2014/12/16/camille-cosbys-sad-request-to-the-press/

Describing the women who have come forward with their stories as “individuals and organizations whom many in the media have given a pass,” Cosby bemoaned that “There appears to be no vetting of my husband’s accusers before stories are published or aired.”

In some cases, the women accusing Cosby have been frank about the kinds of details that Camille Cosby seems to be looking for.
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Maybe knowing Johnson used drugs is supposed to discredit her, but in Vanity Fair, she uses her experience to bolster her own account. Cosby’s request that the press dissect her husband’s accusers as people, rather than their accounts of sexual assault, relies on the ugly and persistent idea that women who have lived certain kinds of lives cannot be raped or molested because they have forfeited their right to say no.
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She appeals to us, insisting that “The man I met, and fell in love with, and whom I continue to love, is the man you all knew through his work.” But the truth is that we don’t know Bill Cosby. We knew Alexander Scott, or Chet Kincaid, or Hilton Lucas, or most of all, Cliff Huxtable

http://onpoint.wbur.org/2014/12/16/bill-cosby-beverly-johnson-assault
Podcast with Beverly Johnson.
Cosby was invited to comment but his spokesman issued the statement: "the media have committed journalistic malpractice. they have not checked the facts, they have been grand jury and the court"

 

[Donjeta]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...f-bill-cosby-allegations-isnt-like-u-va-mess/

Indeed, Rolling Stone’s story on the alleged gang rape of a then-freshman named Jackie in September 2012 at a University of Virginia fraternity has unraveled in the past couple of weeks, as this blog has discussed. As to whether there’s a similarity between the two stories, let’s have a look:

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/a156.../cosby-wont-be-charged-over-molestation-claim

LOS ANGELES (AP) — Los Angeles prosecutors on Tuesday declined to file any charges against Bill Cosby after a woman recently claimed the comedian molested her around 1974.

The rejection of a child sexual abuse charge by prosecutors came roughly 10 days after the woman, Judy Huth, met with Los Angeles police detectives for 90 minutes.

The Los Angeles County District Attorney's Office rejected filing a misdemeanor charge of annoying or molesting a child under the age of 18 because the statute of limitations had passed.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/16/bill-cosby-black-media-sexual-assault_n_6334336.html

Butler had a similar response when speaking with The Huffington Post.

"I believe reporters have to be neutral and have an open mind when covering a story like this, but being neutral doesn't mean telling one side of the story. Being neutral means telling both sides. And as far as I can see, reporters have been doing that," he said.

He also noted that the Associated Press was right to push Cosby on the issue in its Nov. 6 interview: "If you have more than a dozen people saying the same thing, it gives you pause. You have to ask the questions and the question deserves an answer."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...write-an-article-that-bill-cosby-appreciates/

As Brown chatted with Cosby in the brief call, he pointed out that the Washington Informer, which recently celebrated its 50th anniversary, “has treated [Cosby] fairly. In fact, the Washington Informer had published two stories that used his fans and their response to the allegations — they were pro-Bill Cosby, and he said he appreciated that very much; he said he would have his team treat me like royalty because of it.”

Under Brown’s byline, the Washington Informer on Nov. 19 published a piece titled “D.C. Residents Defend Bill Cosby.” To substantiate that claim, the piece cites the feelings of three District residents:
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To its credit, the story details the case against Cosby and gives plenty of space to the allegations of Barbara Bowman, who accused Cosby of drugging and raping her in the mid-1980s. But it doesn’t wrap up without a sunny note from one of those three fans: “He’s never been arrested. He’s never been charged,” the story quotes Hooks as saying. “Just because someone says he did something, doesn’t mean that he did, and the only thing we do have to go on is all of the good [Cosby’s] done, which is enough for me.” That’s some pro-Cosby neutrality.

 

[BirdycatNY]

My question is, why doesn't Bill Cosby come out and make his OWN statement?

He's hiding behind his wife, that's why.

And she's letting him.

So I don't feel sorry for her, not one bit. And I'll save my prayers for Bill Cosby's rape victims.

You bring up such excellent points: BC hasn't exactly ever come out and said "I don't know these women or I didn't have sex with these women" or "I didn't give these women drugs and then had sex with them"...it seems as though he's said he's not going to cry over spilled milk and gave broad denial, but to what? Rape? Drugging? Sex? JMO but I think BC may continue with ambiguity/evasiveness and will never directly address the allegations, ever. In some way he may be showing a poker "tell" idk.

I wonder (if allegations true) if BC talked to his wife and tailored his "story" to fit a consensual narrative or if he denies having sex or drugging or knowing the women?

I also was thinking about Whoppee Goldberg calling him COZ and it reminds me of the Great OZ from the Wizard of OZ..."Pay NO attention to the man behind the curtain, just do as the great OZ (COZ) says" as the Great OZ fooled all the munchkins, ha.

 

[BirdycatNY]

No, Camille Cosby, media’s handling of Bill Cosby allegations isn’t like U-Va. mess
By Erik Wemple December 16 at 1:50 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ions-isnt-like-u-va-mess/?tid=pm_opinions_pop

"Camille Cosby is entitled to point out the discrepancies between the husband she knows and the husband in recent reports. What she isn’t entitled to do is the following..."

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

Bill Cosby WON'T be charged over claims he attacked 15-year-old at Playboy Mansion in 1974

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...5-year-old-Playboy-Mansion.html#ixzz3M75CYioB

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Bill Cosby WON'T be charged over claims he attacked 15-year-old at Playboy Mansion in 1974

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...5-year-old-Playboy-Mansion.html#ixzz3M75CYioB

As well he shouldn't be. There is no proof that could support the claims, other than her account and it has been 40 years since the alleged event took place.

I still believe this is way more smoke than fire.

 

[BirdycatNY]

As well he shouldn't be. There is no proof that could support the claims, other than her account and it has been 40 years since the alleged event took place.

I still believe this is way more smoke than fire.

Or could be like winning the battle but losing the war...my guess is there will be stronger cases maybe even more recent, but I am totally speculating. People don't just stop their fetish(es) or alleged criminal behavior (I mean Constrand was in 2005, so maybe there is no one else, who knows?)This isn't some conspiracy of women getting together to badger an elderly man who really for all intents and purposes hasn't been important to Hollywood since "The Cosby Show". This isn't media fodder or a money grab, this is really serious. And it's a dangerous message that we are sending to youth/men/women if something like this is ignored. IMO.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Or could be like winning the battle but losing the war...my guess is there will be stronger cases maybe even more recent, but I am totally speculating. People don't just stop their fetish(es) or alleged criminal behavior (I mean Constrand was in 2005, so maybe there is no one else, who knows?)This isn't some conspiracy of women getting together to badger an elderly man who really for all intents and purposes hasn't been important to Hollywood since "The Cosby Show". This isn't media fodder or a money grab, this is really serious. And it's a dangerous message that we are sending to youth/men/women if something like this is ignored. IMO.

It just does not mean any of them are factual events. I was just watching Beverly Johnson on the view, And there is something that just does not sit right. And she is changing the story as she is telling it. I just think there is something fishy there.

She says " I was thinking was that a dream? or did that happen??"

Why would she say that? Im sorry, I just think there is something up.

https://tv.yahoo.com/news/view-whoopi-goldberg-questions-beverly-johnson-over-bill-204019252.html

 

[Nova]

“I think he's probably guilty,” Trump told me in an exclusive interview Monday. “I think his defense has been horrible because he keeps going-- nothing, I'm not going to talk. When a person doesn't talk, that usually doesn't mean good things.”

Apparently, Trump has never heard of the Fifth Amendment. And this clown (Trump, not Cosby) wanted to be president!

 

[CuriousPortlander]

As well he shouldn't be. There is no proof that could support the claims, other than her account and it has been 40 years since the alleged event took place.

I still believe this is way more smoke than fire.

BBM - that is NOT why they didn't press charges. From the dailymail link above:

DA didn't file molestation charge because statute of limitations had passed

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

BBM - that is NOT why they didn't press charges. From the dailymail link above:

DA didn't file molestation charge because statute of limitations had passed

Actually there are cases where if there was a minor involved they can bring charges if there is sufficient evidence even after the SOL is over.
I bet it is a little of both.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

As well he shouldn't be. There is no proof that could support the claims, other than her account and it has been 40 years since the alleged event took place.

I still believe this is way more smoke than fire.

Actually, there are pictures of her with Cosby at the Playboy mansion. That doesn't prove the claims but it certainly supports them.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Actually, there are pictures of her with Cosby at the Playboy mansion. That doesn't prove the claims but it certainly supports them.

All that proves is that they were both there. Not that anything happened. I have a picture of me and Rod Stewart. It doesn't mean anything.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

The Los Angeles County District Attorney’s Office rejected filing a misdemeanor charge of annoying or molesting a child under the age of 18 because the statute of limitations had passed.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...937140-8591-11e4-abcf-5a3d7b3b20b8_story.html

Prosecutors concluded allegations that "The Cosby Show" star sexually molested a 15-year-old girl at the Playboy Mansion were too old and surpassed the state's statute of limitations for either a felony or misdemeanor charge.

"Given that 40 years have passed since the alleged incident, prosecution ... is declined due to the expiration of the statute of limitations," the official charge evaluation document states.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/16/us-people-billcosby-idUSKBN0JU2EX20141216

 

[IzzyBlanche]

All that proves is that they were both there. Not that anything happened. I have a picture of me and Rod Stewart. It doesn't mean anything.

I clearly stated that it doesn't prove the claims but it certainly supports them. If you claimed Rod Stewart committed a crime against you, your photo would make your claims a bit more believable than no photo. It would certainly corroborate that the two of you were in the same place at the same time, and therefore the opportunity existed for the crime to take place.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Apparently, Trump has never heard of the Fifth Amendment. And this clown (Trump, not Cosby) wanted to be president!

Well, you are right, and I'm certainly no Trump fan. However, just like "innocent until proven guilty," the Fifth Amendment does not apply to the court of public opinion.

 

[Trino]

Her statement means nothing. How many rapists share the details with their kids??
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Her statement, without total verification/evidence, is probably as valid as his accusers.