Rape allegations mount against Bill Cosby #2

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  • #481
Didn't you say your uncle is deceased? If so, he can't be defamed. It's also very possible he abused his adopted daughter and she carries as much a burden as you carry after so many years.
So theoretically, if I were to name him publicly, since it's been 40 years, would you believe me now or claim that because it happened in the 70's and I'm just now naming him, it didn't happen???
 
  • #482
So a woman has to be likeable to be raped?
 
  • #483
The boys made accusations. The Catholic Church made a monetary settlement. I think it highly unlikely BC is going to offer one dime in monetary settlement to these latest accusers.

You are assuming BC alleged victims want money, some maybe want an apology and I'm not going to read into what they want more than public statements. For me, I think it is unfortunate that these priests were not criminally punished. I suppose there is punishment in the afterlife, but I worry more that these two will sexually assault more children. Sexual assault is a serious criminal matter, and looking at a situation like the two priests who admitted it and are still free to commit more crime, society is failing. So if the allegations are true against BC, this is a serious problem in the grander scheme of things than just money. I hope LE thoroughly investigates all the allegations against BC regardless. JMO
 
  • #484
I have avoided this thread since page one thread one, back when all this started to break in the press. Mainly because I have for so many years held BC in such high regard. So I sat back. And watched as week after week more and more women came forward with similar tales. I was at war within my own mind. One side of me thinking "well it's not hard to come up with a similar story and jump on the bandwagon, with the press covering each story and each detail offered giving someone new more to work with." The other side of me thinking "but there is so so much smoke here, musn't there be fire somewhere?"

When Janice Dickenson jumped in with her story I began to swing heavily toward the bandwagon theory. I intensely dislike her and that probably played a role in my inner debate. I do not believe one word out of that woman's mouth. Period.

But I am tending to believe that not all those other women are not lying. I do feel a couple may be jumping on a bandwagon because they can. But I have just about concluded that there would be no wagon on which to jump if at least some of these women were not telling the truth.

Add to that, executives and other hollywood insiders who are not claiming rape but are offering a pretty ugly picture of America's favorite dad, and I admit with great disappointment, that I think BC is not at all who I wished he was. I hope his victims have found some sense of healing by telling their stories at long last. But I will never believe Janice was one of his victims.
Actually that may be exactly why Janice Dickinson should be believed. He would've targeted women with a credibility problem, what a great cover for him! Then noone would believe her. That's what Michael Jackson did. And there are prostitutes who get raped...
 
  • #485
I understand your point LinasK. I am just not there with Janice. I may never be. It has been a tough journey for me to get where I am on this one. Maybe down the road I will find her more credible. As I said. My own personal opinion of her gets in the way of that at this time.
 
  • #486
So a woman has to be likeable to be raped?

Not at all. Horrible people are raped too. I personally do not find Janice Dickenson either likeable OR credible. that is simply my very own opinion. I freely admitted I have a hard time finding her credible and that my personal opinion of her may be interfering with that process. I am not being argumentative and have finally reached a point where I can accept that BC is likely a horrible man. That is all.
 
  • #487
So theoretically, if I were to name him publicly, since it's been 40 years, would you believe me now or claim that because it happened in the 70's and I'm just now naming him, it didn't happen???

With all due respect, I am not here to believe or not believe you. The topic of this thread is the rape allegations made against Bill Cosby. If you are a crime victim, I empathize. I believe Mr. Cosby is also a crime victim. Years ago his son was murdered.
 
  • #488
With all due respect, I am not here to believe or not believe you. The topic of this thread is the rape allegations made against Bill Cosby. If you are a crime victim, I empathize. I believe Mr. Cosby is also a crime victim. Years ago his son was murdered.

Yes, but one of your claims I believe is that why should we suddenly believe these victims when they are only coming forward after 30 years. There are many reasons that victims don't come forward, it doesn't mean the crimes didn't take place.
 
  • #489
Hamilton actress, model who accused Cosby in 2000 wants to leave it in the past

It first came out in the New York Post in March of 2000, while Covington was a 20-year-old ingénue with a bit role as a waitress on Cosby’s television celebration of family values and clean living.

Covington filed a complaint with the New York police alleging the “hanky panky” of forcing her hand inside his pants during a career counseling session at his Manhattan apartment on Jan. 25, 2000.

“The only thing we have to say at this point is that the story is not true,” Cosby’s spokesman David Brokaw said at the time.

In those days, Covington was living with her mother, brother and twin sister in the family home, where the mother was sweeping up outside when approached by the newspaper for a comment on the Cosby story for the first time in more than 12 years.

With the star’s “Doc Huxtable’’ face on the cover of People magazine this week, she said it was hard to ignore all the talk about Cosby casting couches and magic potions.

Diane Covington said too many of the woman now coming forward years later are telling the same story of being somehow drugged into submission.

From the beginning, Covington has said she had “no reason to doubt my daughter. If he did it, he did it, and it doesn’t matter who he is.”

Then a 20-year-old graduate of Trenton Central High, class of 1998, Lachele Covington was deluged by national media after the National Enquirer got a hold of the story.

“Bill Cosby scared her half to death!” Covington’s grandfather was quoted as saying in the National Enquirer.

Lachele Covington, who was home for the Thanksgiving weekend, specifically told the mother she would not be joining in the new challenges to Cosby because had moved on long ago.

http://www.trentonian.com/general-n...d-cosby-in-2000-wants-to-leave-it-in-the-past

Bbms: Pasting some of the Trentonian article that Donjeta previously linked-because a couple things come to light for me-


Covington, this young woman with a small television part on Cosby show, did file a report with NYPD in 2000.

I think for Covington (2000) and Constand (2002), Cosby was not just “an older man” he WAS their grandfather’s age when this happened to them. Covington’s grandfather’s comment is most telling –“Cosby scared her half to death”. – I would have felt the same way at 20 years old.

The media is now running with this story full throttle. Covington’s mother was approached by the press for the first time in 12 years – not the other way around.


So, some of the “out of the woodwork” feeling about this story that seems like a run-away train is the handiwork of the press (imo) –not because it is truthful, or not, but because it sells. I respect Covington, who is still young, for not wanting to participate in it.
 
  • #490
If allegations are true in general, I think there may be one or more alleged victim(s) that may be "copycat" but I haven't dismissed any of them and Janice Dickinson is someone that doesn't present any problems/credibility issues for me. There may be others, but I don't want to speculate because could very well be wrong and sexual assault victims/survivors go through a lot anyway. I also want to point out that just because some of the alleged victim(s) went to LE, it doesn't necessarily mean they are more trustworthy than those alleged victims that didn't. This is because I know someone who was falsely accused of something and LE questioned him/others about non-happening. I am not directing it at anyone in BC case.

There are many things involved in determining credibility, but honestly I am not dismissing any of the alleged victims or BC because obviously not privy to other facts/information.
 
  • #491
One thing that I wonder about for those who were drugged is why did no one go to a doctor? I haven’t seen any reports of any of these women trying to find out what they were drugged with. I keep thinking if something like that happened to me, I could easily beat myself up about my bad choices, hotel room with a married man, casting couch episode, I probably asked for it, who would believe me – all this would keep me from going to the police or a lawyer. -But if I was drugged? If my coffee was spiked, or was offered an antihistamine for a cold, and blacked out -I sure as hell would want to know what was in my system.

I just wonder about this piece because in coming of age in the 70’s, I was hyper-aware, knowing about some devastating consequences of friends, OD, death of an upper-classman in high school, and bad reactions in the playground of illegal drugs. I was knocked out at a Springsteen concert (missed the whole concert) for smoking weed – which unbeknownst to me had been laced with PCP. I found this out later because I made the friend who offered the weed find out exactly what the hell we smoked.

Maybe it is just me – but seeing a doctor for a blood test & STD tests would have been #1 on my list.
 
  • #492
You are assuming BC alleged victims want money, some maybe want an apology and I'm not going to read into what they want more than public statements. For me, I think it is unfortunate that these priests were not criminally punished. I suppose there is punishment in the afterlife, but I worry more that these two will sexually assault more children. Sexual assault is a serious criminal matter, and looking at a situation like the two priests who admitted it and are still free to commit more crime, society is failing. So if the allegations are true against BC, this is a serious problem in the grander scheme of things than just money. I hope LE thoroughly investigates all the allegations against BC regardless. JMO

I'm not assuming Cosby's accusers want money. I'm basing my opinion on the fact that women have been filing lawsuits against him for a decade. Such lawsuits are always about money. He settled one in 2006, probably to get rid of it but I doubt he caves this time around. The latest one was filed by a woman who is an attorney yet she claims she wasn't aware of the statute of limitations. I just don't find her or Janice Dickinson or some of the women coming out of the woodwork to be credible. I didn't find Paula Jones credible, either.

Why did Green wait so long to file suit, given the one-year statute of limitations on defamation? Cammarata says Green, a retired lawyer, didn't know she had that option

http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/...-new-accuser-lawsuit-for-defamation/20205051/
 
  • #493
Yes, but one of your claims I believe is that why should we suddenly believe these victims when they are only coming forward after 30 years. There are many reasons that victims don't come forward, it doesn't mean the crimes didn't take place.

I have never claimed that "we" must believe anything. I speak only for myself and I don't believe the accusations against Mr. Cosby.
 
  • #494
One thing that I wonder about for those who were drugged is why did no one go to a doctor? I haven’t seen any reports of any of these women trying to find out what they were drugged with. I keep thinking if something like that happened to me, I could easily beat myself up about my bad choices, hotel room with a married man, casting couch episode, I probably asked for it, who would believe me – all this would keep me from going to the police or a lawyer. -But if I was drugged? If my coffee was spiked, or was offered an antihistamine for a cold, and blacked out -I sure as hell would want to know what was in my system.

I just wonder about this piece because in coming of age in the 70’s, I was hyper-aware, knowing about some devastating consequences of friends, OD, death of an upper-classman in high school, and bad reactions in the playground of illegal drugs. I was knocked out at a Springsteen concert (missed the whole concert) for smoking weed – which unbeknownst to me had been laced with PCP. I found this out later because I made the friend who offered the weed find out exactly what the hell we smoked.

Maybe it is just me – but seeing a doctor for a blood test & STD tests would have been #1 on my list.

Thanks for articulating it so well. I simply do not believe anyone would take a pill willingly yet not know what they took and not try to find out what it was.
 
  • #495
I'm not assuming Cosby's accusers want money. I'm basing my opinion on the fact that women have been filing lawsuits against him for a decade. Such lawsuits are always about money. He settled one in 2006, probably to get rid of it but I doubt he caves this time around. The latest one was filed by a woman who is an attorney yet she claims she wasn't aware of the statute of limitations. I just don't find her or Janice Dickinson or some of the women coming out of the woodwork to be credible. I didn't find Paula Jones credible, either.

Why did Green wait so long to file suit, given the one-year statute of limitations on defamation? Cammarata says Green, a retired lawyer, didn't know she had that option

http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/...-new-accuser-lawsuit-for-defamation/20205051/

I apologize, but let me re-phrase my point: So what if some of the alleged victims want money. Even if ALL of the alleged victims were seeking money the bigger issue if the allegations are true, is that a serial rapist will not be incarcerated/institutionalized because SOL has passed. If allegations true and BC serial rapist, what is the problem with women seeking civil relief. Do you have a problem with victims seeking money if proven to be victims in court?
 
  • #496
Bbms: Pasting some of the Trentonian article that Donjeta previously linked-because a couple things come to light for me-


Covington, this young woman with a small television part on Cosby show, did file a report with NYPD in 2000.

I think for Covington (2000) and Constand (2002), Cosby was not just “an older man” he WAS their grandfather’s age when this happened to them. Covington’s grandfather’s comment is most telling –“Cosby scared her half to death”. – I would have felt the same way at 20 years old.

The media is now running with this story full throttle. Covington’s mother was approached by the press for the first time in 12 years – not the other way around.


So, some of the “out of the woodwork” feeling about this story that seems like a run-away train is the handiwork of the press (imo) –not because it is truthful, or not, but because it sells. I respect Covington, who is still young, for not wanting to participate in it.

Covington did file a police report. The problem was she didn't include the details she shared with the National Enquirer. The news media isn't responsible. The tabloids pay for stories.

And her father, Joe, told the newspaper: “Lachele ran out of the house. She was traumatized and didn’t even tell her mother for two days.”

Law-enforcement sources said she never mentioned these details in her report.


http://nypost.com/2000/03/02/actress-bombshell-cos-rubbed-me-the-wrong-way/
 
  • #497
Yes, but one of your claims I believe is that why should we suddenly believe these victims when they are only coming forward after 30 years. There are many reasons that victims don't come forward, it doesn't mean the crimes didn't take place.

Rape, coupled with regret and humiliation, can be debilitating and mutes one's self-respect. Self preservation takes over. Sometimes it's easier to live in denial. Facing the truth can be excruciating. Nothing wrong with coming forward years later, imo, it's liberating.
 
  • #498
I apologize, but let me re-phrase my point: So what if some of the alleged victims want money. Even if ALL of the alleged victims were seeking money the bigger issue if the allegations are true, is that a serial rapist will not be incarcerated/institutionalized because SOL has passed. If allegations true and BC serial rapist, what is the problem with women seeking civil relief. Do you have a problem with victims seeking money if proven to be victims in court?

If they want money, they'll have to persuade a Judge and jury they are credible. I wish them luck in succeeding.
 
  • #499
I'm not assuming Cosby's accusers want money. I'm basing my opinion on the fact that women have been filing lawsuits against him for a decade. Such lawsuits are always about money. He settled one in 2006, probably to get rid of it but I doubt he caves this time around. The latest one was filed by a woman who is an attorney yet she claims she wasn't aware of the statute of limitations. I just don't find her or Janice Dickinson or some of the women coming out of the woodwork to be credible. I didn't find Paula Jones credible, either.

Why did Green wait so long to file suit, given the one-year statute of limitations on defamation? Cammarata says Green, a retired lawyer, didn't know she had that option

http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/...-new-accuser-lawsuit-for-defamation/20205051/



I don't necessarily find the claims that a lawyer wasn't aware of her legal options or able to find out credible either, but her lawyer's got to argue something to get around the statute of limitations issue. Similarly I am not quite convinced that the claims that someone realized 40 years later that they got drugged and raped or psychologically harmed by the rape are legit.

But that issue of what and when they knew and realized things is separate from the issue whether they really were raped or drugged or whatever they claim Cosby did to them.

JMO I don't believe Green ever expected to get rich from this lawsuit. Proving that anyone lied in such a case as this gets tricky, and I don't think "I didn't know that I could sue" is reason enough to get past the statute of limitations. She and her lawyer know that as well as anyone I think. And even if the case got past that she'd still have to cross some hurdles to get awarded enough damages to make it worthwhile. And I think Huth realized the chances of winning the SOL debate were extremely slim too.

It's just legal posturing I think. The hassle of being sued might prevent Cosby from making further negative claims about Green. On the other hand, if the case got to the stage where depositions and testimony was collected it could give them an opportunity to pin him down on some kind of a statement. And the act of suing might be an empowering gesture somehow, showing him that finally there'd be some fighting spirit there, not just a victim.

If money was the primary objective Green could have sued a long time ago.
 
  • #500
Covington did file a police report. The problem was she didn't include the details she shared with the National Enquirer. The news media isn't responsible. The tabloids pay for stories.

And her father, Joe, told the newspaper: “Lachele ran out of the house. She was traumatized and didn’t even tell her mother for two days.”

Law-enforcement sources said she never mentioned these details in her report.


http://nypost.com/2000/03/02/actress-bombshell-cos-rubbed-me-the-wrong-way/

I think what makes Covington credible for me is her police report was filed in 2000, before Constand.

And, in 2000, six months later, Cosby's show in Trenton was cancelled due to poor tix sales. I think she was believed in her hometown area.

MOO - In 2000, BC was way beyond DOM to make any kind of unwanted sexual advance to a 20 year old.
 
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