Rape allegations mount against Bill Cosby #2

[rosemadderlake]

I believe it was George Carlin who talked about how sometimes the” rush of drug addiction” was “the being in the closet” piece more than the drugs. Imo--Interesting insight about a facet of addiction.

And, I think there is a parallel facet in BC modus operandi –an addiction, the rush of deception. -And, the getting over on people, and getting away with it.

 

[Morag]

If Cosby is being maligned, libeled and slandered by any or all of these women, he's surely free to sue any or all of them, one at a time.

Like those posters who refuse to believe the women who failed to file complaints in a timely manner, I refuse to believe that an innocent and vastly wealthy man would not take these women to court, one at a time, and ASAP.

 

[La Louve]

One thing that I wonder about for those who were drugged is why did no one go to a doctor? I haven’t seen any reports of any of these women trying to find out what they were drugged with. I keep thinking if something like that happened to me, I could easily beat myself up about my bad choices, hotel room with a married man, casting couch episode, I probably asked for it, who would believe me – all this would keep me from going to the police or a lawyer. -But if I was drugged? If my coffee was spiked, or was offered an antihistamine for a cold, and blacked out -I sure as hell would want to know what was in my system.

I just wonder about this piece because in coming of age in the 70’s, I was hyper-aware, knowing about some devastating consequences of friends, OD, death of an upper-classman in high school, and bad reactions in the playground of illegal drugs. I was knocked out at a Springsteen concert (missed the whole concert) for smoking weed – which unbeknownst to me had been laced with PCP. I found this out later because I made the friend who offered the weed find out exactly what the hell we smoked.

Maybe it is just me – but seeing a doctor for a blood test & STD tests would have been #1 on my list.

I'm a little confused by your post. You say seeing a doctor would have been #1 on your list, but yet when you were knocked out at a Springsteen concert you did not immediately go see a doctor. Do I have that right?

 

[MyBelle]

I think what makes Covington credible for me is her police report was filed in 2000, before Constand.

And, in 2000, six months later, Cosby's show in Trenton was cancelled due to poor tix sales. I think she was believed in her hometown area.

MOO - In 2000, BC was way beyond DOM to make any kind of unwanted sexual advance to a 20 year old.

The police didn't pursue Covington's police report because her encounter with Cosby was consensual and he didn't try to prevent her from leaving. Conjuring up details later to the National Enquirer that she failed to tell police doesn't add to her credibility, imo.

 

[MyBelle]

If Cosby is being maligned, libeled and slandered by any or all of these women, he's surely free to sue any or all of them, one at a time.

Like those posters who refuse to believe the women who failed to file complaints in a timely manner, I refuse to believe that an innocent and vastly wealthy man would not take these women to court, one at a time, and ASAP.

They are taking him to court. I think all he has to do is file a counter-claim.

 

[MyBelle]

I don't necessarily find the claims that a lawyer wasn't aware of her legal options or able to find out credible either, but her lawyer's got to argue something to get around the statute of limitations issue. Similarly I am not quite convinced that the claims that someone realized 40 years later that they got drugged and raped or psychologically harmed by the rape are legit.

But that issue of what and when they knew and realized things is separate from the issue whether they really were raped or drugged or whatever they claim Cosby did to them.

JMO I don't believe Green ever expected to get rich from this lawsuit. Proving that anyone lied in such a case as this gets tricky, and I don't think "I didn't know that I could sue" is reason enough to get past the statute of limitations. She and her lawyer know that as well as anyone I think. And even if the case got past that she'd still have to cross some hurdles to get awarded enough damages to make it worthwhile. And I think Huth realized the chances of winning the SOL debate were extremely slim too.

It's just legal posturing I think. The hassle of being sued might prevent Cosby from making further negative claims about Green. On the other hand, if the case got to the stage where depositions and testimony was collected it could give them an opportunity to pin him down on some kind of a statement. And the act of suing might be an empowering gesture somehow, showing him that finally there'd be some fighting spirit there, not just a victim.

If money was the primary objective Green could have sued a long time ago.

The basis of Green's lawsuit is that Cosby defamed her by denying her version of events. I find that to be pretty laughable. The statute of limitations was about defamation.

 

[rosemadderlake]

I'm a little confused by your post. You say seeing a doctor would have been #1 on your list, but yet when you were knocked out at a Springsteen concert you did not immediately go see a doctor. Do I have that right?

No, I didn’t. I was not the only one with a bad reaction wondering what we smoked – “angel dust” laced pot. I was with a group of friends. They kindly carried me out of the theater – and I came to enough to find my bed and slept for a long time. -And was fine next day.

If I didn’t know a man, or his intentions, and blacked out, and If my clothes were ripped off my body, and I didn’t know what happened, I would have gone to a doctor, asap.

 

[BirdycatNY]

I'm a little confused by your post. You say seeing a doctor would have been #1 on your list, but yet when you were knocked out at a Springsteen concert you did not immediately go see a doctor. Do I have that right?

And jmo speaking from college days, being "roofied"/drugged without consent (or under false pretenses/misrepresentations) adds a whole other level of fear because someone who does that is very disturbed/it's seriously creepy. It may make one less likely to go to doctor and the fact that one is disoriented for up to day or so (it literally incapacitates victims physically/knocks them out) depending on drug, and trying to remember events so it doesn't register immediately one was drugged. It's quite scary and embarrassing and like many rape victims, the last thing they want to do is go to a doctor for probing. Easier to try to pretend/forget it ever happened and bury it, but it's important for people feel safe going to LE/hospital and maybe it would be good to have rape counselor at LE's (idk does LE have specialists?).

 

[ontheclock]

I'm a little confused by your post. You say seeing a doctor would have been #1 on your list, but yet when you were knocked out at a Springsteen concert you did not immediately go see a doctor. Do I have that right?

Drug fog adds to the mo. I doubt many women seek drug testing/std analysis the day after. Not in the "date rape" scheme. Jmo. What a good defense for the perp. I can't blame a potential Vic for not seeking diagnostics soon afterward. I just can't.

 

[ontheclock]

And jmo speaking from college days, being "roofied"/drugged without consent (or under false pretenses/misrepresentations) adds a whole other level of fear because someone who does that is very disturbed/it's seriously creepy. It may make one less likely to go to doctor and the fact that one is disoriented for up to day or so (it literally incapacitates victims physically/knocks them out) depending on drug, and trying to remember events so it doesn't register immediately one was drugged without consent. It's quite scary and embarrassing and like many rape victims, the last thing they want to do is go to a doctor for probing. Easier to try to pretend/forget it ever happened and bury it, but it's important for people feel safe going to LE/hospital and maybe it would be good to have rape counselor at LE's (idk does LE have specialists?).

You are spot on with this post.

 

[rosemadderlake]

The police didn't pursue Covington's police report because her encounter with Cosby was consensual and he didn't try to prevent her from leaving. Conjuring up details later to the National Enquirer that she failed to tell police doesn't add to her credibility, imo.

It would be interesting to see the police report & back articles (who knows where the truth is in tabloid press - they do plenty of embellishing). - but I think not getting involved now, and retreading what, granted may have been a big learning experience for her is wise.

To file a report does put something on record. The woman in CA at Playboy club in '74 could have filed when she learned about Constand. I wonder why she didn't?

 

[IzzyBlanche]

:gaah: I am so tired of hearing what drugged and raped victims shoulda/coulda done and what one woulda done in the same circumstances.

Unless you've been there yourself, you have NO IDEA what you would have done. And you have no platform from which to pass judgment on what those actually in those circumstances did.

 

[rosemadderlake]

Drug fog adds to the mo. I doubt many women seek drug testing/std analysis the day after. Not in the "date rape" scheme. Jmo. What a good defense for the perp. I can't blame a potential Vic for not seeking diagnostics soon afterward. I just can't.

Yes, agree drug fog adds to the MO - Bbm: for some of the women in this case it seems even more traumatic because they were not out on "a date" with Cosby. And because of that deception I am curious about why a woman wouldn't want to know what was in that herbal pill. And maybe some did find out but did not want to get into medical disclosures with the press - so I don't judge them but do notice it is not part of "their conversation".

 

[IzzyBlanche]

I understand your point LinasK. I am just not there with Janice. I may never be. It has been a tough journey for me to get where I am on this one. Maybe down the road I will find her more credible. As I said. My own personal opinion of her gets in the way of that at this time.

I respect your honesty regarding your bias against JD. I initially shared your skepticism about her claims, but no longer do. Have you listened to her 2006 interview with Howard Stern in which she comments on Cosby? The link is posted somewhere upthread but is probably more easily found with a google search.

This was eight years ago. She sounds believable to me.

 

[MyBelle]

It would be interesting to see the police report & back articles (who knows where the truth is in tabloid press - they do plenty of embellishing). - but I think not getting involved now, and retreading what, granted may have been a big learning experience for her is wise.

To file a report does put something on record. The woman in CA at Playboy club in '74 could have filed when she learned about Constand. I wonder why she didn't?

I guess she thought trying to sell her story to a tabloid and, when that failed, to just have her attorney go straight to Cosby and extort the $250,000 she wanted was a better route to take back then. Didn't work and a decade later, she again pops out of the weeds.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

To be convicted of a crime requires evidence. Without a prompt report and a rape kit, nothing can be done. Making accusations 30 years later in order to ruin someone's reputation can be considered as defamation, which is likely where this case will end up, imo.

BBM for focus.

Interesting statement.

Please provide support that any of the accusers' motive is to ruin BC's reputation.

 

[ontheclock]

Yes, agree drug fog adds to the MO - Bbm: for some of the women in this case it seems even more traumatic because they were not out on "a date" with Cosby. And because of that deception I am curious about why a woman wouldn't want to know what was in that herbal pill. And maybe some did find out but did not want to get into medical disclosures with the press - so I don't judge them but do notice it is not part of "their conversation".

I understand where you're coming from. I put "date rape" in quotes only because I wanted to distinguish between stranger rape and acquaintance rape. Two totally diff scenarios in my opinion. Not questioning the herbal pill contents makes more sense in an acquaintance situation. Jmo. It was bc, Americas first dad. I can only guess, really just guess, that no Vic willing took an incapacitating drug.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

It would be interesting to see the police report & back articles (who knows where the truth is in tabloid press - they do plenty of embellishing). - but I think not getting involved now, and retreading what, granted may have been a big learning experience for her is wise.

To file a report does put something on record. The woman in CA at Playboy club in '74 could have filed when she learned about Constand. I wonder why she didn't?

BBM for focus

Maybe because she never heard about Constand? I'm a bit behind but has it been established that she did?

It seems that a lot of people disregarded or ignored the little media coverage that was given to Constand's case at the time.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

They are taking him to court. I think all he has to do is file a counter-claim.

Yet he hasn't. He has handsomely paid lawyers who, I have no doubt, would do so instantly if warranted.

Yet he hasn't. Why do you think that is?

 

[rosemadderlake]

:gaah: I am so tired of hearing what drugged and raped victims shoulda/coulda done and what one woulda done in the same circumstances.

Unless you've been there yourself, you have NO IDEA what you would have done. And you have no platform from which to pass judgment on what those actually in those circumstances did.

Bbm: respectfully disagree. I know exactly what I would do, and would never do.

--If none of the alleged victims went to a doctor to verify what happened to them after a drugged/rape blackout, I do wonder why? Not to press charges at the time necessarily -but for their own peace of mind in knowing all they could find out.

We can only speculate unless someone here is one of BC's alleged victims. The high profile, fame, power, & money give this case another set of dimensions.