Rape allegations mount against Bill Cosby #2

[Slebby]

Well Cosby is wrong in saying "and never complain" because you know what? Beverly Johnson did finally say something.

Let's change the names here. "Oprah Winfrey, you can't say you were raped when you were a child, then got famous, and never complained" Oprah Winfrey was very successful before she revealed the fact she has been raped as a child. Should we disbelieve her because she waited many years to say what happened to her?

It sounds to me like Cosby is saying BJ, if she had truly had such an experience, could not have carried on and had such a successful life but instead might have fallen into a life of dysfunction, drugs, bad relationships, etc. On the other hand, BC and his lawyers are happy to dig up any details of drugs or alcohol abuse or any other form of dysfunction in his alleged victims and use it to discredit their claims that he raped them. BC is just digging himself into a deeper hole every time he or his lawyers comment.

IMO


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[screecher]

Cosby is slag.

 

[waitin'4thewrld2chg]

Not to put too fine a point on things (or maybe I am lol) but, if the quote is accurate, "You can’t say that I put something in your coffee, threw you in a cab...."

We throw trash and baseballs, but not usually humans. I know it's a figure of speech, but threw you in a cab? Not 'hailed you a cab" but threw you in? Hmmm, there he goes again, saying more IMO than he planned.

 

[Donjeta]

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...continue-standup-shows-in-canada-report-says/

Despite a flurry of recent rape accusations, embattled comedian Bill Cosby has decided that the shows must go on.

The 77-year-old comedian is scheduled to perform three standup shows in Ontario, Canada, next week, according to the company that is managing the events, the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation reported on Friday.

 

[Slebby]

http://www.lfpress.com/2015/01/02/mayors-want-cosby-axed?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter


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[kimi_SFC]

http://www.lfpress.com/2015/01/02/mayors-want-cosby-axed?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter


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From your link:

(snip)

But Chicago’s Innovation Arts & Entertainment (IAE) says it can’t cancel because, under its contractual obligations, it would have to pay Cosby if it nixed the shows.

In a news release Friday, promoter Adam Epstein said and it’s up to Cosby, not IAE, to cancel.

“As recently as this morning, IAE has been informed by Mr. Cosby’s representatives that he has every intent to perform at these events.” the release said.

(snip)

Epstein told The Free Press the company “is legally bound” by a contract. “There’s no cancellation option for us in any contract.”

“If the artist is prepared and willing to perform, we’re obligated to perform our responsibilities that are outlined in the contract,” he said. “We don’t have any sort of option at this point.”

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[BirdycatNY]

Well Cosby is wrong in saying "and never complain" because you know what? Beverly Johnson did finally say something.

Let's change the names here. "Oprah Winfrey, you can't say you were raped when you were a child, then got famous, and never complained" Oprah Winfrey was very successful before she revealed the fact she has been raped as a child. Should we disbelieve her because she waited many years to say what happened to her?

It sounds to me like Cosby is saying BJ, if she had truly had such an experience, could not have carried on and had such a successful life but instead might have fallen into a life of dysfunction, drugs, bad relationships, etc. On the other hand, BC and his lawyers are happy to dig up any details of drugs or alcohol abuse or any other form of dysfunction in his alleged victims and use it to discredit their claims that he raped them. BC is just digging himself into a deeper hole every time he or his lawyers comment.

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Great point. "Complain" is the word that stood out to me for a different reason. I was thinking "and never complained" but to WHO?
- complain to us (public/media), word doesn't seem to fit;
- complain to LE, word still doesn't seem to fit;
- complain to him (BC), that makes more sense to me Jmo. If BC meant complain to him, then what would have happened if Beverly J. complained to him first?

"Complain" also may be used in more proper contexts like: complain to an employer, or complain to university (like HR harassment/student complaints/grievances). It made me wonder if there has been any employer or university related complaints lodged against him and those would not necessarily be publicly disclosed.

Obviously reading into it, but for some reason the word "complain" stood out at me for the reasons mentioned above. Jmo

 

[BirdycatNY]

Not to put too fine a point on things (or maybe I am lol) but, if the quote is accurate, "You can’t say that I put something in your coffee, threw you in a cab...."

We throw trash and baseballs, but not usually humans. I know it's a figure of speech, but threw you in a cab? Not 'hailed you a cab" but threw you in? Hmmm, there he goes again, saying more IMO than he planned.

That's a great point, hadn't thought of that. Beverly J. said BC allegedly shoved her in cab too. http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2014/12/bill-cosby-beverly-johnson-story

"Throwing" someone out of one's home is also another way to use word throw/threw in context of person(s). Jmo

 

[Snoopster]

Right off the top I will admit that I haven't followed this case closely. Cosby is scheduled to perform here in London Ontario this week. I have no idea what the attendance will be.

A few thoughts are rattling around in my head right now. While, I have to admit, that I suspect that BC is guilty of impropriety, I really have difficulty getting past the "innocent until proven guilty" stage. I personally wouldn't feel comfortable going to his performance, yet I don't want to throw away the legal system. When did we revert to the lynch mob system?

I have a gut feeling that many (likely most) of his accusers are telling the truth, but it still bothers me that he hasn't even had his day in court. Once he has...and presuming he is found guilty... then the gloves are off!

I have seen an environment where the higher ups don't want to disrupt the cash cow, and will do practically anything to protect that prized "asset". I am not completely naive. I have absolutely hated some of what I've seen. But, I'm not willing, yet, to throw the judicial system out in favour of the lynch mob mentality.

For the record, I wouldn't be caught dead at BC's show this week, as I suspect the accusations are true.

I also respect the venue's stance that they can't (and shouldn't) cancel the performance.

 

[SStarr33]

Well Cosby is wrong in saying "and never complain" because you know what? Beverly Johnson did finally say something.

Let's change the names here. "Oprah Winfrey, you can't say you were raped when you were a child, then got famous, and never complained" Oprah Winfrey was very successful before she revealed the fact she has been raped as a child. Should we disbelieve her because she waited many years to say what happened to her?

It sounds to me like Cosby is saying BJ, if she had truly had such an experience, could not have carried on and had such a successful life but instead might have fallen into a life of dysfunction, drugs, bad relationships, etc. On the other hand, BC and his lawyers are happy to dig up any details of drugs or alcohol abuse or any other form of dysfunction in his alleged victims and use it to discredit their claims that he raped them. BC is just digging himself into a deeper hole every time he or his lawyers comment.

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I believe nothing from Oprah. Zero. She, IMO, has been a VERY bad influence on our country.

 

[SStarr33]

Cosby is slag.

What is a slag?

 

[wendiesan]

What is a slag?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=slag

 

[wendiesan]

Another article re Cosby show in London ON.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamil...protest-bill-cosby-show-in-hamilton-1.2889489

A few local politicians are planning to protest the performances.

Hamilton city councillor Aidan Johnson says he plans to attend a protest outside the Bill Cosby show..."I'm hoping to attend the protest outside the venue to stand in solidarity with the protesters and with victims of sexual assault," Johnson, the councillor for Ward 1, said Sunday. Councillors Sam Merulla and Jason Farr both said they may also attend the protest, though they have scheduling conflicts. Coun. Judi Partridge said she also supports the protest, but doesn't plan to attend.

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

Bill Cosby’s name overshadows ‘Celebrity Apprentice’ premiere in strange storyline

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ity-apprentice-premiere-in-strange-storyline/

 

[tlcya]

"Ultimately, they're just that, allegations," she said. "You know, it's very much been played out in the court of public opinion. But we're still in America, where ultimately you're innocent until proven guilty. I wasn't there. That's just not the man I know. So I can't speak to it."

Interview at Today show this morning with Kiesha. http://www.today.com/popculture/kes...ice-firing-talks-bill-cosby-sexual-1D80401398

 

[tlcya]

Another fact to note: NBC delayed this season of “Celebrity Apprentice” for awhile, so the premiere was taped about a year ago, way before the disturbing allegations went mainstream and Cosby’s downfall. But that makes the episode even more bizarre. Given the amount of time the network and producers had to edit, why would they keep Cosby’s name as such an integral part of the storyline — especially when NBC is one of the many places to distance itself from Cosby, dropping his upcoming TV project less than two months ago? No one thought it might seem odd to viewers?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ity-apprentice-premiere-in-strange-storyline/

 

[chlban]

Bill Cosby’s name overshadows ‘Celebrity Apprentice’ premiere in strange storyline

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ity-apprentice-premiere-in-strange-storyline/

Yes, I watched this last night. Although I detest the Donald I have always enjoyed this show for some odd reason.
At any rate, it was strange when his name came up. Of course, it was filmed almost a year ago before all of this blew up, but you couldn't help but cringe a bit whenever his name was mentioned as it was, quite a few times.

 

[chlban]

Another fact to note: NBC delayed this season of “Celebrity Apprentice” for awhile, so the premiere was taped about a year ago, way before the disturbing allegations went mainstream and Cosby’s downfall. But that makes the episode even more bizarre. Given the amount of time the network and producers had to edit, why would they keep Cosby’s name as such an integral part of the storyline — especially when NBC is one of the many places to distance itself from Cosby, dropping his upcoming TV project less than two months ago? No one thought it might seem odd to viewers?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ity-apprentice-premiere-in-strange-storyline/

In all fairness, it would have been even more odd had they edited out the comments. Spoiler alert if anyone cares:

The "celebrity" (and this show is really stretching that term) that was eliminated was eliminated, in part, for not using her celebrity contacts and there is no question that Cosby was the best known and probably the richest of those contacts. His "deep pockets" were mentioned. If they had cut out all references to Cosby, it would have seemed really odd.

It's not like he was being praised or anything. Just mention of his name, wealth and the fact that he has been known to give generously to charity. That, in itself, is a true enough statement and has nothing really to do with the rape accusations.

As I said though, it was slightly jarring hearing his name mentioned in just "regular" conversations. That in itself does show that he is paying a price for his behavior.

Before I am jumped, I understand that it may seem little punishment for what he has done, but OTOH, to have a man that has always been so proud of his image, now looked at the way he is today, is certainly some punishment.

I know it's hard to remember now, but OJ was once greatly admired. Until the infamous Bronco Chase everyone I knew was insisting he could not have committed such a brutal double murder, he was just such a great guy, yada, yada. After the chase, not so much.

I find it somewhat ironic. Cosby has long been critical of young African American males and has been especially critical of some young African American comics going back as far as Eddie Murphy. Cosby has criticized their use of the "F" word and what he has considered vulgar routines. I don't think it's for nothing that he was "outed" by a young African American comic.

 

[BirdycatNY]

Thanks for the re-cap, chlban, didn't watch so don't mind the spoilers. And I'm embarrassed to say, that the first thing I thought of is "Why didn't she call BC for donations, then she wouldn't have been kicked off?" So I fell for Trump's little t.v. schtick...

 

[BirdycatNY]

...Before I am jumped, I understand that it may seem little punishment for what he has done, but OTOH, to have a man that has always been so proud of his image, now looked at the way he is today, is certainly some punishment....

Here is old article on "BC and the media" that I recently read; I think it was referenced in recent media/somewhere. It's an interesting read. Jmo


"Control crucial to comedian Cosby"
Kentucky New Era
By Dana Kennedy
February 3, 1992
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=b90rAAAAIBAJ&sjid=VGQFAAAAIBAJ&pg=2475,2829957