Rape allegations mount against Bill Cosby #3

[LinasK]

He's dead. He died at age 70 in 2013. His obituary noted his distinguished and long career in law enforcement, which ended when he retired, not because he was forced out for being a rapist. His obituary also referenced his 2 Marine Corps combat tours in Vietnam during the 1960's. He was in fact accorded a full honors military burial.

If he had other victims they too were silent, or silenced after speaking up, because he was clearly never held accountable. I'm sorry too, but not for myself. I appreciate the support here, but it is genuinely undeserved. I should have reported him, no matter how difficult or impossible that seemed back then. Who knows how many other women were victimized by him because I stayed silent. The guilt I feel about that remains.

As I said earlier, I'm in awe of Ms. Comstand's courage. What she went through after she reported being raped was terrible, but any "alleged" rapes that occurred after she reported her rapist are not even in the very slightest little bit her responsibility. I'm willing to bet she's very aware of the difference that makes in being able to heal.

You did what you were capable of at the time. The important thing is that you are speaking out now. I too, never reported my uncle because of the shame I felt and I was right in that my family wouldn't believe me. If I didn't fear his daughter suing me, I'd publically name him. But I did get the satisfaction of stomping on his grave, and I donated the wedding money he gave me to a charity for rape victims.:grouphug:

 

[La Louve]

Judd Apatow was on the Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon tonight. He did a standup bit and was hilarious! A lot of his act was about the Cosbys and he does a killer Cosby impression. ETA and his stuff about Cosby was very biting, as I had hoped it would be.

 

[Donjeta]

I agree with you, seems so off! And the pictures they keep showing of the daughter and wife walking out of some event (daughter in white dress) with BC, the daughter has this huge weird smile... every time I see it, I'm just awestruck at how odd and strange it seems, or they seem.

Not sure which picture you mean but they live in an odd and strange world, apparently. Camille said, "The man I met, and fell in love with, and whom I continue to love, is the man you all knew through his work. He is a kind man, a generous man, a funny man, and a wonderful husband, father and friend. He is the man you thought you knew."

And one of the daughters said: "He is the FATHER you thought you knew. The Cosby Show was my today's tv reality show. Thank you. That's all I would like to say "



http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/bill-cosbys-daughter-evin-dad-real-life-cliff/story?id=27637478

I must have missed the episodes in which the father of the Huxtable family obtained date rape drugs to illegally give them to women half his age to have less than consensual sexual experiences with them.

I guess it's too much to ask that one of these women would finally get tired of propping up their fallen patriarch and give a tell-all interview on how he managed to fool people all these years.

 

[Donjeta]

Uncertainty on Whether Cosby Revelations Could Hurt Him in Court

“He could be in the cross hairs,” said David S. Korzenik, a media defense attorney in New York. “If he admitted to statements in the deposition that are being challenged in the defamation case, that could be harmful to his defense.”

He added: “In that case it would suggest that he was making statements that were either negligently or knowingly false.”

The difficulty for his accusers, he said, is that there is a high bar — they need to show Mr. Cosby was deliberately being false, even maliciously so.

Ms. Allred said she has been contacted by more women alleging sexual misconduct by Mr. Cosby since the admissions in the deposition transcript were reported over the weekend, but she could not yet say whether there would be more legal action against Mr. Cosby beyond the existing cases.

In a statement, The Times said it had obtained the transcript legally. “The judge in the case had declined in 2005 to enter a confidentiality order making the depositions confidential so there was no court order sealing the testimony, then or now,” it said. “Once we obtained the transcript, we were free to report on Mr. Cosby’s testimony.”

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_facto...osition_chivalry_as_a_front_for_contempt.html

Bill Cosby’s Deposition Reads Like a Nightmare “Field Report” From the World’s Worst PUA

Cosby took great pains to portray himself as a chivalric hero. “I am a man, the only way you will hear about who I had sex with is from the person I had it with,” he explained. What a rare and exciting opportunity this deposition afforded him! For this consummate gentleman, lady-luring techniques included “seducing a young model by showing interest in her father’s cancer” and “casting himself in the role of an experienced guide and offering [his accuser] the benefit of his contacts, fame and experience.” In a pinch—if, say, you're being accused of sexual abuse—pressure your accuser to tell her mother that she had orgasms with you. Yes, Cosby really did that, and admitted to it.

Researcher David Lisak has found that when interviewing rapists, as long as you avoid calling it rape, you can get them to admit to a whole lot. “In fact, they are eager to talk about their experiences,” he told NPR in 2010. “They're quite narcissistic as a group—the offenders—and they view this as an opportunity, essentially, to brag.”

CNN got the deposition too:
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/07/20/us/bill-cosby-deposition/

In the deposition, Cosby says he first met Constand at a Temple athletic facility where he showed her a back-relaxation technique.

"It's one where she gets on my back with her back and her arms come under mine and I grab her and I say, now you relax," the deposition quotes him as saying. "And her legs are hanging out in the air and I go up and down and I give that jolt and it's supposed to line the vertebrae."

She talked about wanting a tighter butt, he said, so he touched it.

"It wasn't a sexual opening," he said. "It's a woman who is working with basketball players, who used to be a jock, who also got on my back and is like that and she was very comfortable about that."

Barbara Bowman:

"Consent is not the absence of a 'no.' And when you put drugs and alcohol in the mix, and put a person into a state of impairment and incapacitation where they're not able to respond in a normal setting, it's manipulative. It's diabolical. It's controlling. And it's typical behavior and thinking of a sociopath."

 

[Montjoy]

As for Camille's demeanor -- well, who knows. Being married to Bill Cosby could likely drive someone to abundant drink and heavy medication. (That's pretty much the way I felt after watching 10 minutes of 'Leonard Part 6', the movie he wrote, directed, and starred in.)

 

[Donjeta]

July 20, 2015
DEADLINE EXCLUSIVE: Bill Cosby has been cut from an upcoming documentary about black stuntmen. The film, Painted Down, explores the age-old practice of applying blackface to white stuntmen so they can double for black actors. The Black Stuntmen’s Association has also removed a tribute to Cosby from its website.
“Cosby is no longer attached to the project,” said the film’s producer, Nonie Robinson. “We were the last project standing behind him, but now with Whoopi (Goldberg) and CAA pulling the plug, we must also disassociate and cut all ties with Cosby. It’s the right thing to do in light of the recent court deposition being made public. more at link: https://www.yahoo.com/movies/bill-c...men-124594184102.html?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma

“He did a hell of a lot for black stuntmen,” said BSA president Willie Smith, who reluctantly had a lengthy tribute to Cosby removed from the organization’s website recently. “If it hadn’t been for Cosby, I don’t think there would have been a Black Stuntmen’s Association. It’s not that we’re turning our backs on him, but the controversy is getting too much to deal with.”

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/07/20/bill-cosby-painted-down-documentary

Producer Nonie L. Robinson confirmed the decision.

“We have supported Mr. Cosby and stood by him,” said Robinson, noting that she issued a letter of support for the comedian and activist back in November. “But after all the insurmountable evidence along with the deposition, we felt it was the best thing to do. We do not support abuse in any way.”

This is what she said in November:

“It’s all very sad and I support Mr. Cosby, who has been nothing but generous, kind and a mentor to me working in this project,” she told Deadline. “I’ve never experienced anything but kindness from Mr. Cosby. Mr. Cosby gives testament to the ‘painting down’ process, but does not over shadow the project as his account is just one of many in the film. We are still moving forward with the documentary.” Others interviewed for the film include Whoopi Goldberg and Lou Gossett Jr.

http://deadline.com/2014/11/bill-co...ntman-black-actors-nonie-robinson-1201291683/

 

[mister happy]

If you have time, watch this interview with journalist Mark Ebner. Yes, Ebner is a rough-cut character lol, but he gives insight as to why the Cosby rape story didn't gain traction years ago. There's lots of good discussion about the many aspects of this story. For decades Cosby was protected by lawyers and media. Then, oddly, that bubble burst when a relatively unknown comedian called him out on Youtube. Karma and the Internet finally squashed the 'Great Cosby'.

[video=youtube;euXvur4MSeQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euXvur4MSeQ[/video]

 

[Donjeta]

http://www.vulture.com/2015/07/judd-apatow-bill-cosby-stand-up.html

 

[Hope4More]

The mother lode site for court docs and insider info about BC (and MANY other cases/news stories, including Rachel Dolezal.

Check out the memos relating to whether or not to withdraw investor support for a BC show late last year...really fascinating stuff.

https://www.documentcloud.org (then enter search words).

 

[Donjeta]

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/bill-cosbys-lawyers-judge-settlement-sealed-32602971


Bill Cosby's Lawyers Ask Judge to Keep Settlement Sealed

Cosby's lawyers are attacking the weekend release of his deposition by a court reporting service. They say the deposition and other filings unsealed this month have led to inaccurate reports branding the Philadelphia native a rapist.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/entertainment/a-look-back-through-bill-cosby-over-the-decades-1.2479888
A look back through Bill Cosby over the decades

 

[Quiet Time]

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/bill-cosbys-lawyers-judge-settlement-sealed-32602971


Bill Cosby's Lawyers Ask Judge to Keep Settlement Sealed



http://www.ctvnews.ca/entertainment/a-look-back-through-bill-cosby-over-the-decades-1.2479888
A look back through Bill Cosby over the decades

No way!! I want to see that settlement!

 

[rosemadderlake]

What kind of car did you have in mind?" Cosby asked.

"Gee, Dad, I think it would be really nice to have a Corvette," Ennis said.

"I'd like to buy you a Corvette — but not when you don't do your homework and you bring home Ds on your report card. So I'll make you a deal: For the next two years, you make every effort to fulfill your potential in school, and even though Corvettes will then cost about $50,000, I'll buy you one. And I won't even care if you do bring home Ds if your teachers tell me you tried as hard as you could."

Ennis grew very quiet. "Dad," he said, "what do you think about a Volkswagen?"

Cosby advised Ennis to apply to Morehouse, which had graduated generations of distinguished African-Americans from Martin Luther King Jr. to Spike Lee. Cosby confided his own mixed feelings about having been one of few blacks at Temple University and how much he envied the bonds forged by his friends who had gone to historically black colleges. Ennis took his father's advice, but in his freshman year he could manage no better than a 2.3 grade point average. In his sophomore year, one friend asked if he had been tested for dyslexia. When Ennis shared that possibility with his parents, they arranged for him to undergo a battery of tests. The diagnosis came back positive. That summer, he took classes designed to help dyslexics and his grades began to improve.

Cosby was so thrilled about Ennis' breakthrough that he decided to share it with his 30 million viewers. But Cosby also wanted to blow the whistle on himself for having suggested for so long that the problem was a character flaw in Ennis, rather than a mental "glitch," as the script called it.

When Theo delivers the news to his sister Vanessa, she turns on Cliff. "To think all these years Dad called you lazy!" she says.

"I know!" Theo says.

During his junior year, Ennis spent three days a week as a student teacher at an elementary school in one of Atlanta's blackest and poorest neighborhoods. After just two weeks, the teacher told him that she had noticed that the boys in the class, particularly the ones who didn't have fathers at home, performed better when he was around. By the time he graduated in the spring of 1992, he had made the Dean's List and been accepted into his dream school, Columbia University's Teachers College. Theo's growth in self-confidence and maturity, entirely borrowed from what happened to Ennis, became the dominant theme of the last three years of The Cosby Show. In the final season, he turns down a corporate job to go to graduate school to become a teacher dedicated to helping kids with learning disabilities.


Cosby’s experiences with son Ennis (left, at a New York Knicks game in 1994) turned into Cosby Show storylines with onscreen son Malcolm-Jamal Warner.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/bill-cosbys-untold-story-agony-726162

Whoa - I really feel for his daughters - maybe their experiences became story lines, like Ennis's? IDK, but WTH are they thinking now? Never mind Camille, so difficult to even imagine your Dad doing what has been revealed in the exposed 2005 civil suit docs which I have a feeling they knew nothing about, and were faithfully defending their father in this scandal, until now?...

 

[IzzyBlanche]

I must be missing something here. Can someone explain it to me?

How exactly is Andrea Constand somehow responsible for the NY Times obtaining the deposition from a court reporting service? :waitasec:

Comedian Bill Cosby filed legal papers on Tuesday calling for court sanctions against a woman accusing him of sexual assault, saying she breached their confidentiality agreement in the leak of his full deposition from a 10-year-old civil case to the New York Times.

...

The New York Times has since obtained its own record of Cosby's deposition and posted additional excerpts on its website, revealing testimony in which the entertainer described how he had pursued women and how he obtained Quaaludes.

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

heck if I know....I'm lost.

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

Maybe BC is sweating blood over the Constand settlement possibly becoming public? Stall tactic?

 

[Donjeta]

Because she's got her own posse of hired court reporter services, doncha know... She's the Empress.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/22/bill-cosby-sanction-accuser-sexual-assault-case

The memorandum goes on to call Constand’s request to open the entire Cosby settlement to public scrutiny an “obvious attempt to smear” the performer and says she should be sanctioned for leaking the nearly 1,000-page deposition transcript to the New York Times through her “own hired court reporter”.

If Cosby's deposition contains merely benign admissions that he's had consensual sex, how is a request to unseal an obvious attempt to smear?

 

[Donjeta]

NYT:

The court reporting service said in a letter filed in the court that it had released the entire transcript to The New York Times and other news media, beginning last week, because it believed the judge’s order had made the deposition public.

Mr. Cosby’s lawyers argued Tuesday, though, that the court reporting service’s decision was in error and that Ms. Constand had been required, as part of the settlement, to ensure that the court reporters understood the documents remained confidential.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/19/a...-young-women-using-fame-drugs-and-deceit.html

This is just a distraction. Don't look at me and the drugs I admitted giving people illegally, look at this shameless woman who didn't camp at the doorstep of court reporter services to make sure no documents exit the building.

 

[Donjeta]

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/22/business/media/cosby-team-complains-of-a-smear.html

´The papers filed by Mr. Cosby acknowledged that Ms. Constand had been paid a sum of money as part of the settlement and suggested that Mr. Cosby would not have agreed to pay money except for believing the dispute would remain a private matter. Now, the lawyers argued, Ms. Constand wanted to publicize everything and keep the money, calling it an “obvious attempt to have her cake and eat it, too.”

The papers said Mr. Cosby will seek “relief for Plaintiff’s violations” but did not detail what he would seek.

The court reporting service, Kaplan Leaman & Wolfe, in its letter to the judge, Eduardo C. Robreno, sought advice on whether it could continue to release the transcripts.

It said it had received an email from Mr. Cosby’s law firm, Cozen O’Connor, in which the law firm had said, “Please ensure that any further releasing of the deposition ceases immediately.”

In a letter to Cozen O’Connor, Ms. Constand’s lawyer, Dolores M. Troiani, said she had “had nothing to do with the release of the deposition.”

It argued that the judge in the case had already allowed the release of partial testimony and found that Mr. Cosby had “diminished his right to privacy” by responding to allegations against him.

The NYT, CNN, and The Associated Press already have the deposition.


https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documentcloud.org/documents/2170329/cosby.pdf

Cosby's lawyers say that there was a clause in the settlement that required the parties to mediate privately with a Judge Rueter before making any court filings that could become public and Constand violated that clause by filing a motion, and because they said they sought permission from the Jane Does to seek to unseal the deposition. Supposedly this violates the agreement because the Jane Does should not have been told that they were mentioned in the deposition, and Troiani should not have even made comments about who was a Jane Doe and who wasn't.

 

[mister happy]

It would be outrageous if Constand was held personally responsible for a court reporting service's decision. If this is supposed to be a clever tactic from Cosby's legal team, I think it misfired and could even backfire. Crazy stuff. You know, I can hardly look at Cosby anymore. His mug has become so damn ugly.. like the blob or something..

 

[Trino]

How can Camille continue to stay in this marriage?