Rape allegations mount against Bill Cosby #3

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  • #801
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...ressley-rape-culture_55bbb13ce4b0d4f33a02abda

The Way Bill Cosby's Lawyer Talks About Assault Is Peak Rape Culture
Victim-blaming is alive and well.

http://www.salon.com/2015/08/03/how_not_to_talk_about_bill_cosby_this_weeks_edition/
How not to talk about Bill Cosby: This week’s edition
Victim blaming and legacy speculating: Nope!

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/122440/camille-cosbys-loyalty-confounds-new-generation
Camille Cosby’s Loyalty Confounds a New Generation

Monique is nothing more that a hired tool, and at this point she's just preaching to the choir. IMO, only Cosby's most ardent supporters are buying into her eloquent BS.. "Wow, what a great lawyer!" Of course, Monique thinks this will be her claim to fame, and she will become one of those "talking head" lawyers opining about big cases on TV. Well, I'm hoping the whole Cosby gig backfires on her greedy 🤬🤬🤬. We will see.
 
  • #802
I'm not victim blaming but I am victim blaming, because these women were very wrong and stupid and irresponsible not to come forward 40 years ago when they were raped... but they were not raped, they wanted it, and you can't prove it in court because it happened too long ago, so it never happened at all, but it's all the women's fault, although I'm not victim blaming because there are no victims, this is a witch hunt.
 
  • #803
Has anyone read anything about Iman? She played a pregnant woman in an episode.

http://freeyourmindandthink.com/model-iman-says-no-way-did-bill-cosby-drug-beverly-johnson/

Not sure how legit the above quotes/article is, but in it Iman doesn't believe Beverly Johnson's report of being drugged by Bill Cosby. I don't think Cosby would have been crazy enough to try and drug and rape Iman, she does not seem like the type of woman who would ever have been quiet about it.
 
  • #804
I'm not victim blaming but I am victim blaming, because these women were very wrong and stupid and irresponsible not to come forward 40 years ago when they were raped... but they were not raped, they wanted it, and you can't prove it in court because it happened too long ago, so it never happened at all, but it's all the women's fault, although I'm not victim blaming because there are no victims, this is a witch hunt.

Am I understanding you right? You think this is their fault, and not Cosbys?
 
  • #805
Pretty sure that was sarcasm.
 
  • #806
Yes, Donjeta was satirizing Cosby's new PR game of not blaming the victims, BUT....
 
  • #807
Am I understanding you right? You think this is their fault, and not Cosbys?

That was just my recap of the Pressley interview/ Cosby's defense strategy, sorry if it wasn't clear.
 
  • #808
Yes, Donjeta was satirizing Cosby's new PR game of not blaming the victims, BUT..

Come to think of it, the satire is pretty close to the reality!
 
  • #809
Come to think of it, the satire is pretty close to the reality!

The reality of saying "I'm not blaming the victim" while saying everything was the victim's responsibility while never mentioning BC's responsibilities.

Reminds me of the way the phrase "some people say" is used to introduce a lie into a conversation as though it was a fact.
 
  • #810
FWIW
A former cast member of The Cosby Show, Joseph C. Phillips, is a long time admirer of BC. He's looked up to BC, it seems, for most of his life and continues, IMO, to defend BC even while he admits to knowing that the image BC projected was much different than the man himself. In a blog entry that he posted on July 13, JP confirms what has been said about BC in other articles and blogs. IMO, JP is really full of himself and condescending, but even he has had to face the reality of at least some of the accusations. However, his solution, that BC should just go live in the country, is pretty far away from any justice for the victims.

That being said, I am excerpting a few paragraphs from his blog as information and observations from someone who was part of the cast.

When I joined the cast of the Cosby Show in 1989, it seemed to be common knowledge that Bill played around. When I say common knowledge, I mean that it was just something that people seemed to know without anyone saying anything. Bill sleeping around was a “fact” that, like, the air, seemed to just be. You didn’t have to see it or hear it to know that it existed.

There was also the seeming unending parade of pretty young women that streamed through the studio. In fact, that is what some of us called it – the parade. Light skinned. “Good” hair. One prettier than the next. I was 28, healthy, single, and horny as hell! You will forgive me if I wasn’t really focused on Bill during the parades.

So, in 1989, my attitude was that if Bill was cheating on Camille, I am fairly certain Camille knew. Hey, if everyone who claimed to know actually knew, then certainly Camille knew, and had long ago made her peace with it. At any rate, it was none of my business. I never saw Bill engage in any inappropriate behavior. I certainly never saw him drug anyone. So, all I have is the same gossip as everyone else.

JP goes on to set the scene for a conversation he had with an actress who had worked on the show, someone he recalled being mentored by BC.

“Back in the day,” I started. “I remember that you knew Bill – that he was like your mentor or something. Did he ever…”

Before I finished the sentence, she began to cry.

http://josephcphillips.com/2015/07/of-course-bill-cosby-is-guilty/
 
  • #811
I think this article has been quoted before on the thread, but I hadn't read the whole thing until now.

He lost me at the last paragraph. It should have read, "Please, Bill, admit what you did to those women you victimized. Just once try to act like the honorable Cliff Huxtable in your real life."
 
  • #812
I think this article has been quoted before on the thread, but I hadn't read the whole thing until now.

He lost me at the last paragraph. It should have read, "Please, Bill, admit what you did to those women you victimized. Just once try to act like the honorable Cliff Huxtable in your real life."
Which article hon? 😀
 
  • #813
  • #814
I think this article has been quoted before on the thread, but I hadn't read the whole thing until now.

He lost me at the last paragraph. It should have read, "Please, Bill, admit what you did to those women you victimized. Just once try to act like the honorable Cliff Huxtable in your real life."

He won't. He has a new mouthpiece, and she's keeping the old team's playbook, just a higher pitch and a heartless scolding superiority that I can't stomach.

The blogger's perspective is unpalatable, and the responses he's had to this article are more than deserved, but I think his view echoes that of many people who do not want to believe that they've been so completely fooled by BC.
 
  • #815
FWIW
A former cast member of The Cosby Show, Joseph C. Phillips, is a long time admirer of BC. He's looked up to BC, it seems, for most of his life and continues, IMO, to defend BC even while he admits to knowing that the image BC projected was much different than the man himself. In a blog entry that he posted on July 13, JP confirms what has been said about BC in other articles and blogs. IMO, JP is really full of himself and condescending, but even he has had to face the reality of at least some of the accusations. However, his solution, that BC should just go live in the country, is pretty far away from any justice for the victims.

That being said, I am excerpting a few paragraphs from his blog as information and observations from someone who was part of the cast.





JP goes on to set the scene for a conversation he had with an actress who had worked on the show, someone he recalled being mentored by BC.



http://josephcphillips.com/2015/07/of-course-bill-cosby-is-guilty/

J. Phillips, like the rest of the cast, knows Cosby personally. This has to be very difficult for them. If you spend your life admiring someone and then the person you know suddenly turned out to not be that person, it is a complete shock. None of us know Cosby personally as a friend or industry peer, so it is much easier for us.
There's a reason why his former Cosby cast members haven't spoken out against him, and I don't believe it is because they are in denial or don't think he's guilty. It's difficult to throw someone under the bus when you know someone personally and that person is one of the reasons for your success in life. It's not a good position to be in. I really believe they are struggling with all of this internally. I believe that they are confused, shocked, and hurt. We aren't, because we have no relationship with Bill Cosby.
J. Phillips knows it's unlikely that Cosby will ever be sent to jail, so of course he would advise bill to just disappear. I wish Cosby would disappear as well. I don't think these women want to see his face all over the media either.
 
  • #816
http://www.thewrap.com/bill-cosby-is-waging-a-thinly-veiled-defamation-campaign-accuser-claims/
Bill Cosby accuser Andrea Constand and her attorneys threw more incendiary accusations at the scandal-plagued comedian and his legal team in court papers filed Monday, accusing Cosby of waging a “thinly veiled defamation campaign” and one of his attorneys of displaying “open hostility.”


Constand and her lawyers are also asking for sanctions against Cosby’s counsel.


http://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/...out-Bill-Cosby-s-honorary-degree-6422512.php7
Terrible allegations about comedian Bill Cosby and sexual abuse continue to surface, and several organizations and educational facilities around the country have found themselves in an awkward spot. Among them is the University of San Francisco, which invited Cosby to be a commencement speaker in 2012 and gave him an honorary degree. Local residents are asking pointed questions about what USF plans to do about it.

What's the point... when he was given that honorary degree it was already known that he was accused of rape or sexual abuse by 13 women


http://www.goodfood.com.au/good-foo...rename-bill-cosby-burger-20150805-giq2n1.html
Melbourne burger outlet Huxtaburger says it won't change its Bill Cosby-inspired menu because most of its customers don't get the reference.

http://blogs.indiewire.com/thompsononhollywood/bill-cosby-scandal-stalls-legacy-biodoc-20150804
New revelations are coming out about Bill Cosby every day. Mark down yet another casualty of the ongoing Cosby scandal: an extended portrait of the comedian, eight years in the making, costing untold thousands of dollars, remains unseen.

This one doesn’t come from an accuser. It is an untitled documentary film that tracks the intersecting journeys of Cosby and the Civil Rights movement from Mississippi to Philadelphia and beyond.

This project was apparently started in 2007 so the allegations can't have come as such a great shock just now... if you plan an adoring biopic of someone who has already been accused of serial rape, that's the risk you take :P.
 
  • #817
FWIW
One of BC's alleged victims, "Kacey", worked for the then William Morris Agency for BC's agent, Tom Illius. Illius's was named in the 1995 deposition in the Constand lawsuit. Although Gloria Allred has already said she has no plans to sue the company now known as William Morris Endeavor for the actions of one of its employees in enabling Cosby's rapes (Illius died in 2011), I found it interesting to have a window into how the agency that represented BC for 48 years, and made hundreds of millions of dollars from his TV shows, dealt with the star during his time there.

It seems that Ilius would never have asked the reason for a cheque to be drawn or sent. He would have just acted on BC's request/demand and seen it was done immediately.

Dick Alen, now an 84-year-old retired William Morris agent who worked alongside Illius for more than 30 years in the personal-appearances department, doesn't remember ever hearing any allegation that Cosby drugged or assaulted women and says he cannot believe his longtime colleague knowingly facilitated or covered up that kind of wrongdoing. Alen, whose clients included Rod Stewart, Aretha Franklin and Julio Iglesias, says he and Illius "were very friendly, and I never, ever heard him mention drugs and Cosby in any shape or form, … and I never heard anything about a coercive thing with girls."

At the same time, Alen says if Cosby asked Illius to send money to women, the agent would have followed orders. "Cosby or any artist could call us — who were longtime friends as well as agents — and say: 'Hey, do me a favor. Give $100 to this [person], I'll reimburse you,' " says Alen. "You don't ask why. Your big client wants you to do a favor, you do it. Why is none of your business. You never ask." (In fact, in Cosby's deposition, he said Illius did not ask questions about the payment and was not told the purpose of it.)

According to Alen, Illius' job was to handle bookings, from specifics of the contract and venue to the smallest details. "Tom would be responsible that everything was done the way Cosby wanted," he says. "Is the dressing room the way Cosby wanted it? Was there a television set to show the football games on Sunday?" (Alen remembers this as a key concern.) Another member of the Cosby camp remembers being in the star's dressing room once as Cosby ate a well-sauced sandwich and seeing Illius dart over to lay a napkin in his lap.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/bill-cosbys-enablers-did-william-813230
 
  • #818
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...5c2a7dce4b0d9b743dadaf6?kvcommref=mostpopular

The latest order, made public on Wednesday, a day after a Los Angeles Superior Court judge entered it, requires Cosby to submit under oath to questions from the lawyer of his Los Angeles accuser, Judy Huth, on Oct. 9. Now in her 50s, Huth must likewise answer questions from his attorneys on Oct. 15.

Huth gained somewhat of a tactical advantage from the judge's decision compelling Cosby to go first.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...eaks-silence-on-cosby-exhibition-controversy/
Smithsonian African Art director breaks silence on Cosby exhibition controversy

http://www.theroot.com/articles/cul...t_owned_by_bill_cosby_why_i_kept_it_open.html

She says that although she was a personal friend of the Cosbys for decades, she supposedly had never heard of the allegations about Cosby when the exhibition was agreed upon.

MOO but I don't believe her.

However:
http://fox6now.com/2015/08/05/wauwa...by-whose-face-is-on-safety-town-certificates/
WAUWATOSA — The Wauwatosa School District is distancing itself from comedian Bill Cosby.
 
  • #819
Hollywood's Bill Cosby Amnesia: Gavin Polone Has a Cure (Guest Column)
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/hollywoods-bill-cosby-amnesia-gavin-813202

The Cosby Show producers Marcy Carsey and Tom Werner’s statement, after the story broke, that the allegations against Cosby were “beyond [their] knowledge and comprehension” is possibly true but I don’t believe it. I’ve worked on many film and TV sets, and keeping secrets is almost impossible.
In a 1986 article published in Life magazine, an incident is recounted where Cosby had a violent physical altercation with a crew member. Included in the article was a scary picture of Cosby using an “Eric Garneresque” headlock on the man. In reference to this incident, Carsey-Werner executive Caryn Mandabach (then Caryn Sneider) said, “it was just nothing.” A Spy magazine article from that year recounts incidents on the set of Cosby bullying costumers and making an unflattering and public pronouncement about a guest star’s breasts. It would seem that Cosby wasn’t trying too hard to hide the ugly side of his personality and that there was an established precedent for ignoring and/or discounting his behavior. Further, NBC’s programming and publicity executives, and the heads of the network, would have been at the show often during its long run, talking to the producers and kowtowing to the star whose giant hit show saved their jobs.
 
  • #820
Cosby was the golden goose. Of course they would downplay his unsavory behavior. And of course they knew about it at the time. Just goes to show you how little they care about the audience that put Cosby on that pedestal to begin with.
 
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