Raven's comments regarding Janet . . .

[Moxie]

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[OriginalJerseyGirl]

How long does it take to get a divorce? If they had filed by Jan of 04, shouldnt it have been finalized already?

My guess is that they possibly weren't in the middle of a divorce but just a separation. Maybe they were even talking divorce at that time but hadn't officially begun the process.

 

[golfmom]

How long does it take to get a divorce? If they had filed by Jan of 04, shouldnt it have been finalized already?

Heya Timex, if you get a chance check the timeline. There were a number of rumors that they had separated during this time period. The post confirms that there was marital dischord during January of 2004.

 

[Timex]

yes, I knew they had seperated, but this is the first I had heard about an actual divorce. Arent divorce's a matter of public record? Should be easy enough to find out if there was such a filing I would think.

 

[golfmom]

yes, I knew they had seperated, but this is the first I had heard about an actual divorce. Arent divorce's a matter of public record? Should be easy enough to find out if there was such a filing I would think.

Maybe, but I just don't know that they really got that far in the process. It sure would be interesting if they actually had filed some paperwork though.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

I actually find it more interesting if they hadn't filed any divorce paperwork. Often a separation is to see if the two parties want to reconcile and try to work it out. If he was representing himself as nearing divorce when they actually weren't, I wonder why he would say that and for the benefit of whom?

 

[Jenifred]

I actually find it more interesting if they hadn't filed any divorce paperwork. Often a separation is to see if the two parties want to reconcile and try to work it out. If he was representing himself as nearing divorce when they actually weren't, I wonder why he would say that and for the benefit of whom?

I wonder if he's just running his mouth. Trying to fit in with the "boys", becoming yet another victim to the VX curse, basically just bringing the conversation back around to himself. Like he enjoys doing.

 

[Thinkoflaura]

OK, here's what I think probably happened:
Raven and Janet, for their own reasons, separated in early 2004 . right after we saw the Christmas photos from 2003, remember??

Then Janet either became pregnant with Raven's baby or found out that she was pregnant, ( there's a small window of time when either could be true) and he dropped divorce proceedings before the papers were filed.
I am convinced that Kaiden is why they reconciled.
I am also convinced that Janet is the one who wanted the marriage to work.

Both parties wanting a marriage to work is the only reason to stay together, in my experience.
The other reasons, like religion, children, financial need are all setting the scene for anger, a feeling of being trapped with no place to go and a high risk of violence.
Domestic violence cuts across all lines, socio-economic, racial, age, religious. It doesn't matter, when a person feels desperate enough they WILL strike back by hurting either themselves or the other person.

I think we know which path this marriage took. I'm surprised that Kaiden is unhurt.

 

[lauriej]

This is an old cached post on the VX boards that Raven belongs to. I cannot call it up straight-out leading me to believe that it was deleted. RAVEN CLEARLY POSTS THAT HE WAS IN THE PROCESS OF A DIVORCE!

Approximate time period this was posted was early JAN. 2004

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:9mCDezNicqgJ:www.vehicross.info/forums/showthread.php%3Fgoto%3Dnewpost%26threadid%3D2923+NC_VX+for+sale&hl=en

NC_VX
Super Charged VXer

99, Ironman VX, 1455
Chapel Hill
Joined Jun 2003
195 Posts Post# 7
that is so perdy!!! I will keep my ears opened. Everyone wants one once they see mine, but no one really wants one, if you know what I am saying.... talk is cheap, show me some cash!!!

I one day will be in the market for VX#2, and I hope it is in as great as shape as yours. Mine will be paid off next year, and then I want to buy a street one, and get my 99 vx ready for the big stuff!!! Ya know, 4 mies to the gallon type of stuff.....

Anyway, dreams, dreams!! Maybe I will just get a 350Z, they look really nice next to the VX.. The Saint has one, cool!!!! they even match colors!

I am going through a D right now, so I know the feeling! Best of luck!

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-The Rave-
North Carolina

.............excellent digging.........! that would be practically 9 months before kaiden was born..........

... they reconcile ? ( but, as we've heard from acquaintances, he remains unfaithful....)he embezzles $$$'s from their employer july ( not aug. ,while on holiday)through november...( to the tune of $9000, plus merchandise..)

...fired in january 05.........she had no clue about the stealing from hillsborough...........she finds a new job................he doesn't.....their church/landlord kicks in for free rent for 3 months....( while he does NOT put his VX on the maket to help with cash flow...)

...april 05.....writes the web-blog ( plageurized no less) detailing his native roots.....starting over..........new name "Ina’maqki’u wi’dishi’anun".......signs on to 'myspace' april 19th...........as "single" ..with a pic of he and kaiden.....( sure, myspace DOES default to single...............but as JerseyGirl noted: he DID have ample time between april 19 th on to change his profile to married if he chose to do so.......didn't.....even when he was on the day before janet 's murder.....why not ?)

...he's got his vehi-cross forum, ravenstree,his web blog etc. ..and yet more than a month after janet 's murder none of those sites have one sentence posted devoted to her memory.....

..he has NEVER hit the media, to use them as a public forum to plead for public assistance/awareness.....

...the laci/scott peterson case was noted for it's over abundance of media ............this one has to be noted for the opposite.....why ?????

 

[PrayersForMaura]

Is it possible that in
January of 2004, Raven had another woman... he later finds out Janet is pregnant, he comes home to work things out but this other woman is still seeing Raven... in fact, he's suddenly paying for an apartment for this woman. He's not able to keep both life styles up, so he is forced into the extreme: he panics and embezzles money from work... he does this so that Janet has no clue he's paying for another lifestyle. He keeps this all a secret from her and things seem to be working out this way... until he gets caught and in January he is fired. He cannot continue to pay for the girlfriend's rent and his home .... therefore, he must rid himself of one or the other expense... or one or the other woman??

This is purely speculation....

 

[Thinkoflaura]

It's possible, of course, but I don't think it's probable, and here's why.
Raven most likely did have women on the side, and he might have wanted to be around for his baby, but above all, Raven is concerned with Raven's well-being and Raven's needs and Raven's happiness.
I think he's a narcissistic slimeball, and I think he would drop any woman in a heartbeat and never look back, except to gloat, BTW. Obviously that includes Janet, since I am firmly on the record as saying I believe he killed her. ( Of course, the overwhelming majority of voters in our poll believe he is the perp).


IF you are suggesting a woman scorned stalking him and killing Janet instead of him, I don't think so. That's a cliche' from "Fatal Attraction". We've come so far with restricted access to unlisted phone numbers, caller ID, security systems which don't use a land line for phone access, all kinds of relatively inexpensive measures which can be implemented to deter a nut case from following him around. ( I can't imagine why anyone would follow him in the first place, actually). Plus, he has so many vehicles, following him would be a huge task for that reason alone.

If there was one special woman ( which I doubt to be honest)- She would be coming foward for her Amber Frey moment if there was a huge love nest triangle thing going on, IMO.

I think Raven is the ultimate taker. I think he took what he could get from very young and naive women where he could get it. I think he would have gotten the divorce, married the other woman and started making babies with her, also, if there was another woman. A man like him is going to go with what FEELS best, not what is the right thing. Staying in the marriage was probably NOT his idea at all but he was trapped by the unexpected pregnancy, the huge financial problems, Janet being off work with her pregnancy, his embezzlement of funds and/ or merchandise, getting caught stealing, the burden of several large debts for boy toy trucks and motorcycles and designer sportswear, etc..

Obviously things had to be really desperate for them to get free rent then discounted rent for a year. That one thing above all the things the news could have printed tells me how bad things were.
A person his age in his financial condition might let a truck payment go, or a MC payment be late, but to be unable to pay to keep a roof over their heads is hitting bottom, IMO. I think he was desperate, and some thing happened within the household to cause him to lash out, literally. I keep thinking that she was murdered just after the income tax deadline..
.

Is it possible that in
January of 2004, Raven had another woman... he later finds out Janet is pregnant, he comes home to work things out but this other woman is still seeing Raven... in fact, he's suddenly paying for an apartment for this woman. He's not able to keep both life styles up, so he is forced into the extreme: he panics and embezzles money from work... he does this so that Janet has no clue he's paying for another lifestyle. He keeps this all a secret from her and things seem to be working out this way... until he gets caught and in January he is fired. He cannot continue to pay for the girlfriend's rent and his home .... therefore, he must rid himself of one or the other expense... or one or the other woman??

This is purely speculation....

 

[golfmom]

I keep thinking that she was murdered just after the income tax deadline..
.

This is an interesting observation. What if they just got the check and *clashed* over how to spend the money?

 

[LvsAMystry]

I doubt the income tax deadline has anything to do with it, although I suppose who knows. I just want to point out the deadline of April 15 doesn't really matter in terms of what was claimed in this years filing -- she was alive for all of 2004, so it would have been claimed that way if it were Jan. 1, 2005 when she was murdered.

 

[golfmom]

I doubt the income tax deadline has anything to do with it, although I suppose who knows. I just want to point out the deadline of April 15 doesn't really matter in terms of what was claimed in this years filing -- she was alive for all of 2004, so it would have been claimed that way if it were Jan. 1, 2005 when she was murdered.

:waitasec: That wasn't what I was thinking at all. This is just speculation of course, but what if they had just received an income tax return? Couldn't they have *clashed* over how exactly the money should be spent?

eta: I had a daughter born prematurely at the end of December. We joke that we should have given her the middle name of TaxDeduction. Of course she's a teen now and doesn't appreciate our sense of humor.

 

[golfmom]

I received a private pm from someone that has given me permission to post this here.

"Regarding the filing of formal divorce papers, to my knowledge that did not occur. They were separated for several months but when she found out she was pregnant she struggled for quite awhile as whether or not to file for divorce. Ultimately they reconciled, and so no papers were filed."

 

[Thinkoflaura]

This is an interesting observation. What if they just got the check and *clashed* over how to spend the money?

LOL, men and women ALWAYS clash over how to spend money.. No, that isn't what I meant.
I meant- What if this confessed embezzler also failed to file their income tax? I see a very fine line between being nuts enough to steal clothes from a job and defrauding the IRS.

I honestly don't think Janet would have stood for him committing tax fraud.
Not that this is true, just speculation, but both of them had been working and it's not uncommon to owe taxes in that situation.
IF they did owe, what was he going to use to pay the IRS? The " silver change" found at the creek?

 

[golfmom]

LOL, men and women ALWAYS clash over how to spend money.. No, that isn't what I meant.
I meant- What if this confessed embezzler also failed to file their income tax? I see a very fine line between being nuts enough to steal clothes from a job and defrauding the IRS.

I honestly don't think Janet would have stood for him committing tax fraud.
Not that this is true, just speculation, but both of them had been working and it's not uncommon to owe taxes in that situation.
IF they did owe, what was he going to use to pay the IRS? The " silver change" found at the creek?

Now why didn't I think of that!

A very good girlfriend of mine husband is a high powered sales guy who frequently delays (for months and months) getting expense reports turned in. This causes a huge hardship on their family! He also procrastinated the taxes for a number of years, even though they were due a refunds! This caused a huge mess that almost cost them their marriage!!!!

 

[Jenifred]

I received a private pm from someone that has given me permission to post this here.

"Regarding the filing of formal divorce papers, to my knowledge that did not occur. They were separated for several months but when she found out she was pregnant she struggled for quite awhile as whether or not to file for divorce. Ultimately they reconciled, and so no papers were filed."

Does anyone know how long they were separated for? And when it started and when they reconciled?

 

[lauriej]

:waitasec: That wasn't what I was thinking at all. This is just speculation of course, but what if they had just received an income tax return? Couldn't they have *clashed* over how exactly the money should be spent?

eta: I had a daughter born prematurely at the end of December. We joke that we should have given her the middle name of TaxDeduction. Of course she's a teen now and doesn't appreciate our sense of humor.

...............i'm in canada.........( income tax filed by april 30th..) but, is it customary to receive your refund chq. by april 26th ?

...lacking any other info,( begging for an LE update) i'm inclined to look very hard at raven, esp..with the post of TOL regarding the april 25th blog of his, i agree, he could very well be heading off to obscurity and going underground.........

...if they were truly in love, i can't see a couple clashing over a few thousand dollars ( or so ) leading one of them to commit muder over it.......

..i think raven's motive will be a lot of things coming together..............the embezzlement......he and janet arguing over it many times rec ently..........court date coming up.....bills piling up....no definite job......girl on the side ?( yes, girl, 19 or 20 yeas old if she/they DO come fwd.....)

...i know the crime lab is slow ( in real life ) to put forth their findings.............surely we'll hear something vey soon..........

 

[less0305]

How long does it take to get a divorce? If they had filed by Jan of 04, shouldnt it have been finalized already?

Divorces in North Carolina follow a one-year separation. You file the separation papers and then after one full year of having not spent one single night together you can have your divorce finalized. It's not quite as strict as it was several years ago, but once when my brother-in-law divorced - after the year separation he had to have witnesses (my husband - his brother, being one) go into court and swear to a judge that the couple had not spent one single night together in that year. I don't think they call witnesses in anymore to court, but if the couple reconcile during that year - the process starts all over again.