Raven's Mission

[BirdHunter]

Wow, obviously you didn't look at the site very closely. You have to register yourself in order to be listed. Jacob registered himself. Derek did not. How do I know this besides the obvious website? I tried to look up my husband, who I know served a successful 2-year mission-- I've met his mission president, gone to missionary reunions, even been to the country he served, and he isn't listed. I also tried several of his friends. Not listed. I also tried my father-- not listed. Maybe you're the one who needs to check your facts before you start making accusations about truth.

Look, the only information I can offer is what I know. I know Derek went on a mission because I remember seeing him the day before he went in the MTC. I remember hearing updates on his progress from my father and ward members. I've seen pictures of him there. I saw his name and mission address listed on the back of the ward programs at church where they list all the missionary locations so you can write to them. And I remember when he got home. So, you may not be able to find evidence, but I KNOW he went on a mission. I will do my best to track down some kind of listing or see if I have one of the church programs in a scrapbook or something.

As far as him going off the deepend, I feel it's very sad. I too think it's disturbing. And Shiloh too, who was such a cute and good girl growing up. Yes, they have their problems, but they were active at one time-- very active in the church. Not eveyone that has ever been a member of the church is still a member. My husband has an uncle who went on a mission, got married in the temple, graduated from BYU, and now he also lives a quite alternative life.

In a way you are right, I jumped to conclusions when I assumed that all mormons who went on missions would want to register. So, what you are saying through your example is that is not the case. My bad. However, if you were able to come up with evidence that Derek went on a mission, it would most likely make me even more cynical. So maybe it is best you can't.:truce:

 

[terminatrixator]

Wow, so Derrek went on a mission, it obviously didn't help him very much to be more than a mushroomed out pothead. I really hope nobody thinks that Derek's problems or Shiloh's problems have anything to do with Janet's Murder because they were both screwed the hell up before their brother murdered Janet.

Where's the friggin sympathy, where's the outrage, where's the empathy, where's the care that Janet was murdered, where's the love and support here? What's wrong with these people?

Why not try talking to the family and get Raven to take a polygraph? Why not make a plea for information? Investigate and then Report. We've done quite a job here investigating and are sharing what we know, where's the Ravenites? Out playing soccer, out having fun, out trying to get money for a trust fund.

Speaking of the trust fund, I am seriously hoping there is an accounting for this money that was collected in Utah. It best be going to Kaiden for his future and not to Raven to spend on women, toys and trips.

Reportergirl, please contact LE and do some investigating. You want a scoop, you want a story, why not contact LE.

I can't wait to see the spin on how Raven is STONE COLD INNOCENT.

 

[reportergirl]

In a way you are right, I jumped to conclusions when I assumed that all mormons who went on missions would want to register. So, what you are saying through your example is that is not the case. My bad. However, if you were able to come up with evidence that Derek went on a mission, it would most likely make me even more cynical. So maybe it is best you can't.:truce:

Well, I don't need evidence, because I know he went, and if it's just going to make you think worse of him, I will definetly keep any evidence I find to myself

 

[terminatrixator]

Well, I don't need evidence, because I know he went, and if it's just going to make you think worse of him, I will definetly keep any evidence I find to myself

He is insignificant to me, except the fact that his SISTER-IN-LAW AND NIECE OR NEPHEW WAS BRUTALLY MURDERED and he doesn't seem to give two craps. I don't care if he smokes his brains out, sleeps on the street, but he is out and about traveling the country and does he spread the word about his SISTER-IN-LAW and unborn niece/nephews murder? Does he even care? His Angst is pitiful.

 

[reportergirl]

He is insignificant to me, except the fact that his SISTER-IN-LAW AND NIECE OR NEPHEW WAS BRUTALLY MURDERED and he doesn't seem to give two craps. I don't care if he smokes his brains out, sleeps on the street, but he is out and about traveling the country and does he spread the word about his SISTER-IN-LAW and unborn niece/nephews murder? Does he even care? His Angst is pitiful.

Well, good, he should be insignificant to you because he's not involved, just like the rest of Raven's family, whether you agree with their mourning actions or not.

 

[terminatrixator]

Well, good, he should be insignificant to you because he's not involved, just like the rest of Raven's family, whether you agree with their mourning actions or not.

What Mourning Actions? :doh:

Hey have you contacted Durham LE yet?

 

[ewwwinteresting]

He is insignificant to me, except the fact that his SISTER-IN-LAW AND NIECE OR NEPHEW WAS BRUTALLY MURDERED and he doesn't seem to give two craps. I don't care if he smokes his brains out, sleeps on the street, but he is out and about traveling the country and does he spread the word about his SISTER-IN-LAW and unborn niece/nephews murder? Does he even care? His Angst is pitiful.

Term:
The only thing that the Abaroas have done is begged for money. IMO, they are trying to financially benefit from this horrific crime. Whether they know raven is guilty or not, I don't know. Why they don't help LE with this crime, I don't know. Why they haven't offered a reward, I don't know. Maybe this is their "way" of mourning:sick:

 

[ewwwinteresting]

Well, yes, I've seen it all, and it does make me sad about Shiloh and Derek. As far as Karyn, I don't know of any pyramid schemes or get rich quick schemes, and Jacob couldn't be a better guy with his cute new family. He's a really quality person. And, if you look at the Bolton side of the family, they have some great people who were raised in similar circumstances. Every family has problems and black sheep. What are ya gonna do?

You seem to know the Abaroas and the Boltons RG. What do the Bolton children think of all this? Do you know if they ever talk about it and wonder or try and figure what could have happened? What about the rumor we heard that they all stopped going to their church...do you know why they would have done this?

 

[Jenifred]

Where's the friggin sympathy, where's the outrage, where's the empathy, where's the care that Janet was murdered, where's the love and support here? What's wrong with these people?

Hey, trix, don't you remember the song that Derek wrote in rememberance of Janet? Something about playing shuffleboard with the big guy? :sick: That was such a memorable tribute. And I think that Raven posted a thank your or something with the little tag saying that Janet really loved him. Double :sick::sick:

RG--I think that everyone is just trying to point out the differences between the two families. The Christiansens are genuinely greiving and they are in contact with LE as much as possible to figure out what needs to be done next, what LE is working on, etc. Then we have the Abaroas in stark contrast, Raven included, looking as if they have thrown their arms up in the air, shrugged their shoulders all the while saying "oh well, this is life and this is what happens sometimes." They show absolutely no interest in finding out who killed Janet. It's very sad.

 

[reportergirl]

You seem to know the Abaroas and the Boltons RG. What do the Bolton children think of all this? Do you know if they ever talk about it and wonder or try and figure what could have happened? What about the rumor we heard that they all stopped going to their church...do you know why they would have done this?

I don't feel comfortable speaking for the Abaroas or the Boltons and their actions.

 

[reportergirl]

Hey, trix, don't you remember the song that Derek wrote in rememberance of Janet? Something about playing shuffleboard with the big guy? :sick: That was such a memorable tribute. And I think that Raven posted a thank your or something with the little tag saying that Janet really loved him. Double :sick::sick:

RG--I think that everyone is just trying to point out the differences between the two families. The Christiansens are genuinely greiving and they are in contact with LE as much as possible to figure out what needs to be done next, what LE is working on, etc. Then we have the Abaroas in stark contrast, Raven included, looking as if they have thrown their arms up in the air, shrugged their shoulders all the while saying "oh well, this is life and this is what happens sometimes." They show absolutely no interest in finding out who killed Janet. It's very sad.

Jenifred-- I think his family members have done more than you or anyone else give them credit for. In fact, I believe there are family members here posting without you all realizing it.

 

[ewwwinteresting]

I don't feel comfortable speaking for the Abaroas or the Boltons and their actions.

No problem, just wondering.

 

[Jenifred]

Jenifred-- I think his family members have done more than you or anyone else give them credit for. In fact, I believe there are family members here posting without you all realizing it.

Probably so, but the fact still remains that they are not in contact with LE. And if they are posting here incognito, what's that going to do to further the investigation?

 

[ewwwinteresting]

Probably so, but the fact still remains that they are not in contact with LE. And if they are posting here incognito, what's that going to do to further the investigation?

Hmmm....maybe they are trying to figure out a way to beg for more money for the HMBMTKUMITCTCKMOOJ fund?

 

[juliagoulia]

That is precisely what bothers me. I have always believed there are Raven supporters/family members/friends reading here and perhaps even posting. They seem to only do this to DEFEND each other and NOT to futher the case. If they are willing to spend the hours it can take to keep on top of all of these threads, why aren't they willing to make a phone call to LE and ask for updates? Why will they spend so much energy keeping tabs on what we are saying and not do anything proactive on their end?

 

[lauriej]

Jenifred-- I think his family members have done more than you or anyone else give them credit for. In fact, I believe there are family members here posting without you all realizing it.

..excellent, i hope that family members are reading/posting here ------but the last contact i had from LE suggested that THEY had not heard from raven's side of the family------------and THAT is the troubling part----------why on earth would raven not be absolutely all over LE demanding justice ? wanting answers? do they have a suspect ? are they close to an arrest ?

..it's almost as if raven/and family never wanted the truth.

..(from a strangers point of view------------that's quite odd.)

 

[BirdHunter]

Jenifred-- I think his family members have done more than you or anyone else give them credit for. In fact, I believe there are family members here posting without you all realizing it.

Oh, we know that. They just aren't posting anything worth reading.

 

[Moxie]

He is insignificant to me, except the fact that his SISTER-IN-LAW AND NIECE OR NEPHEW WAS BRUTALLY MURDERED and he doesn't seem to give two craps. I don't care if he smokes his brains out, sleeps on the street, but he is out and about traveling the country and does he spread the word about his SISTER-IN-LAW and unborn niece/nephews murder? Does he even care? His Angst is pitiful.

I think Derek cares more than Raven does that Janet was murdered.

 

[Moxie]

That is precisely what bothers me. I have always believed there are Raven supporters/family members/friends reading here and perhaps even posting. They seem to only do this to DEFEND each other and NOT to futher the case. If they are willing to spend the hours it can take to keep on top of all of these threads, why aren't they willing to make a phone call to LE and ask for updates? Why will they spend so much energy keeping tabs on what we are saying and not do anything proactive on their end?

This is a great question. Why not provide answers to specific questions, why not sit down with LE and cooperate extensively with them to help solve Janet's murder???

I don't have an answer, but my opinion is that Raven was involved in Janet's murder, and he is as far away (both physically and mentally) from the scene of the crime as possible.

 

[BirdHunter]

I think Derek cares more than Raven does that Janet was murdered.

That's a thought Mox. Maybe that is why he doing all of these self destructing things. He can't stand reality! The reality that his own brother committed murder.