RC doesn't believe the gun story? Do you?

[lonetraveler]

Peli! You are fantastic..you found that report. I can't wait to read it..Bring it on...LOL. I had one on the neighbor who saw and heard misty around 3:00am but had never seen the 2:30 scream report.

Now I am confused but very grateful that Peliman found that video of the scream report. I knew that this report was suppose to be different than the report of Misty walking, crying and talking on the phone. I just thought that the Misty on phone report was at 2:15 am??? and not 3:00 am. Is there a timeline where all these little tid bit important events are documented? Again, thanks.

 

[justus4all]

I do believe that there is a gun involved in this case but not the story that is being told.

bolded by me..

Yes, These stories get thrown out there to mislead, confuse, and throw off the investigation..

IMO...Since Ron is now admitting, there was a gun/fight...some evidence has been shown/proven to him...for him to admit it...

IMO...I don't know the popularity of this theory, but I have the stronger opinion that Haleigh died of a gunshot....accidentally...from Ron...

I used to have the opinion that it was drugs that killed her...but have gradually been leaning towards a gun shot..

Hopefully this will soon come to light.and we can get some answers, if Ron is coming forward with this gun story....and IF IT IS to be believed....

as usual...MOO

 

[Emeralgem]

bolded by me..

Yes, These stories get thrown out there to mislead, confuse, and throw off the investigation..

IMO...Since Ron is now admitting, there was a gun/fight...some evidence has been shown/proven to him...for him to admit it...

IMO...I don't know the popularity of this theory, but I have the stronger opinion that Haleigh died of a gunshot....accidentally...from Ron...
I used to have the opinion that it was drugs that killed her...but have gradually been leaning towards a gun shot..

Hopefully this will soon come to light.and we can get some answers, if Ron is coming forward with this gun story....and IF IT IS to be believed....

as usual...MOO

BBM..I don't know how popular the theory is either, but you are more than welcome to sit next to me because I have thought she was accidentally shot due to Ron playing BAD AZZ with a gun for such a long time now, I can't even remember how long ago it was when I first thought it...And I am still maintaining my stance... JMHO

 

[lonetraveler]

BBM..I don't know how popular the theory is either, but you are more than welcome to sit next to me because I have thought she was accidentally shot due to Ron playing BAD AZZ with a gun for such a long time now, I can't even remember how long ago it was when I first thought it...And I am still maintaining my stance... JMHO

Hi Emeralgem, you have been very strong from the start about Haleigh being accidentally shot by her father. I do believe that Ron retrieved the gun from the culvert on the 10th, cleaned it first and then handed it over to LE. This story from Ron's own mouth does point to that gun as being the possible weapon that was involved. I do think that Ron caused Haleigh's death, I just haven't decided if I can say how it happened yet. I will admit however that I have paid more and more attention to your theory since hearing Ron on Cobra's tape. He hid the gun there so that LE would not find it in his possession. I think it had been fired.

 

[lonetraveler]

Peli! You are fantastic..you found that report. I can't wait to read it..Bring it on...LOL. I had one on the neighbor who saw and heard misty around 3:00am but had never seen the 2:30 scream report.

Whisperer, could you please give the link to the neighbor report on Misty. I also trying to find where Peli put the other link about the scream??? Help?

 

[Nonni Brenda]

Yes, this going-there-to-steal-a-gun-but-stealing-a-child-instead story makes no sense to me, but your version does. Their being there to party and sitting around making comments or joking about robbing RC of his stash of drugs or guns to the point of actually doing it is believable. Or, even if there was no attempted theft, Haleigh could have been present during the party and somehow things started happening involving her--without premeditation or intent, but evolved to the point of no return.

If whatever happened was the result of party-goers behaving badly, they all played a part and then conspired to cover.

But even with this easier to swallow theory, we have Ronald Cummings' suspicious behavior/statements. His actions defy explanation. I have not been able to grasp any theory and really go with it, because of him.

I agree. I believe that rc and tn have been involved from the beginning, due to their strange actions. Also, remember, we now have RC's atty saying that RC called the magnolia address that night, but not looking for misty. How does that figure into this theory?:waitasec:

 

[Nonni Brenda]

It is my opinion ....that Ron ....in saying...he does not believe any story/stories about a GUN ...THAT NIGHT....he does not believe an argument ...with ANYONE ...over a GUN..ANY NIGHT...is trying to distance himself...from any connection..to HIS guns..

It seems to me..(correct me if I am in error, please) that all the talk of guns..in this case..has been all....HIS guns...

IF Haleigh died of a gunshot...IMO...it would HAVE to be from Ron's gun/guns..

To me, that would explain him removing all HIS GUNS...out of the MH..Getting rid of the evidence...NOT to "hide" them from the family...

So ...NO...I do NOT see JO or anyone coming into the MH to steal his gun....Not finding it...then...saying...OK Haleigh...I am going to strangle you to death...EVERYONE HIDE!!! "here I come"..NO WAY..Does not make ....ANY..sense...

Then the next day, Misty is hanging up posters with JO!!!! Just that picture of them together, putting up posters...that IS REAL to me...THAT IS FACT!!!
This latest story???? ABSURB!!!!!
IMO..Ron wants to COMPLETELY ...DISS/DENY/DISPUTE...ANY talk...about his guns..someone wanting his guns/ someone hiding his guns....someone looking for his guns/someone taking a life..for his guns....He wants the gun subject to..go away...and disappear...
If Haleigh was shot by Ron with his gun....It would make sense to me..for him to avoid anything and everything relating to his guns.......all in my opinion...

RC has publicly denied the gun fight story BUT in the Cobra tapes he openly admits to there being a gun theft. Like everyone, it's hard to know what to believe, but is it possible that LE did not want the information out there to the public? Is that why he denies it? Cobra on the other hand is a private investigator. When I hear RC talking on those tapes he sounds much more at ease and willing to share info. I find the story he tells there to be closer to the truth than the statements he has given the press. But, I don't think he believes the gun theft had anything to do with Haleigh. I'm not sure I do either. JMO

It seemed to me too that RC trusted Cobra more that he did LE. He did seem to confide in him somewhat. And if he told Cobra info that LE didn't want out to the public, that could be why LE wanted Cobra out of town. It could maybe explain also, the little jaunt when :waitasec:TN carried Cobra into the woods near the hog pens, maybe setting Cobra up to be "hogfood" for fear that RC had told Cobra too much info. just speculating, moo

 

[Nonni Brenda]

The possibility of Ronald Cummings not being involved in any way has bounced around in my head. I have stated before that I have given Ron the benefit of every possible doubt and thus I have had to consider that his strange behavior and statements might not point toward guilt as much as brain damage from drug abuse over the years.

Even if this is the case, I still have a problem with RC not seeming to want to find out what happened that night. I will always have a problem with that; his apparent lack of concern just does not fit for me.

On a good day when I am well-rested and relaxed, I can cut RC some slack and almost convince myself that he may be mentally/emotionally handicapped for whatever reason, and thus unable to react in a way that a normal person might when their child gets "stole."

But most days, I give RC about the same chances of being innocent in every way as I give JO of being guilty of all the things MC and TC have accused him of.

Maybe the truth lies somewhere in between.

BBM...
And still, even if we do give Ron the benefit of the doubt of having brain damage, we still have the strange actions on Mommy TN.:sick:

 

[Nonni Brenda]

Any idea why LE would want that piece of wall?
If they took it for evidence, I wonder why.

Maybe that's where H was shot, and dna evidence was there?

 

[Nonni Brenda]

bolded by me..

Yes, These stories get thrown out there to mislead, confuse, and throw off the investigation..

IMO...Since Ron is now admitting, there was a gun/fight...some evidence has been shown/proven to him...for him to admit it...

IMO...I don't know the popularity of this theory, but I have the stronger opinion that Haleigh died of a gunshot....accidentally...from Ron...
I used to have the opinion that it was drugs that killed her...but have gradually been leaning towards a gun shot..

Hopefully this will soon come to light.and we can get some answers, if Ron is coming forward with this gun story....and IF IT IS to be believed....

as usual...MOO

BBM... Maybe in front of the door that LE took...

 

[Emeralgem]

It seemed to me too that RC trusted Cobra more that he did LE. He did seem to confide in him somewhat. And if he told Cobra info that LE didn't want out to the public, that could be why LE wanted Cobra out of town. It could maybe explain also, the little jaunt when :waitasec:TN carried Cobra into the woods near the hog pens, maybe setting Cobra up to be "hogfood" for fear that RC had told Cobra too much info. just speculating, moo

IMHO..RC never trusted Cobra..And Ronald Cummings didn't feed Cobra anything but alot of BS starting with that reinactment that never took place...And IMHO Cobra knew it was BS..And I suspect Cobra was run out of town because Cobra has a big mouth and LE certainly didn't want anyone investigating what was really going on down there within LE ..BTW.. I'm not Cobra's #1 fan but I do believe TN was trying to get him killed...JMHO

 

[Emeralgem]

Maybe that's where H was shot, and dna evidence was there?

IF dna evidence found in the MH proved Haleigh was shot at 202 Green Lane what reason would LE have for keeping it a secret? JMHO

 

[lil momma]

IF dna evidence found in the MH proved Haleigh was shot at 202 Green Lane what reason would LE have for keeping it a secret? JMHO

or what reason would LE have to keep this a missing persons case for a year and a half?

 

[MADJGNLAW]

bolded by me..

Yes, These stories get thrown out there to mislead, confuse, and throw off the investigation..

IMO...Since Ron is now admitting, there was a gun/fight...some evidence has been shown/proven to him...for him to admit it...

IMO...I don't know the popularity of this theory, but I have the stronger opinion that Haleigh died of a gunshot....accidentally...from Ron...

I used to have the opinion that it was drugs that killed her...but have gradually been leaning towards a gun shot..

Hopefully this will soon come to light.and we can get some answers, if Ron is coming forward with this gun story....and IF IT IS to be believed....

as usual...MOO

I to think it is a great possibility that Haleigh was shot. I have even thought about the possibility of her getting into Ron's gun while being left in the car when he was at work that night. LE never searched Ron's car that we are aware of. We know they searched the van because Misty and Chelsea started throwing Joe under the bus from early on. I also find it interesting that Ron denied a fight over a gun for over a yr and then recants and says oh yeah there was fight give me my plea. But under the same breath is saying that he does not believe the story that Misty and Tommy are telling LE. That is very suspicious to me. :twocents:

Haleigh's Dad Pleads To Drug Charges
Father Of Missing Girl Faces Up To 90 Years In Prison


August 20, 2010 http://www.news4jax.com/news/24700021/detail.html
Video Report/CS speaks out: Cummings Pleads Guilty To Drug Charges http://www.news4jax.com/video/24702620/index.html


Terry Schumaker, told Channel 4's Tarik Minor that Ronald isn't buying Misty or Tommy's account of Haleigh's disappearance.
Terry Schumaker said, that if Haleigh's body is never found and police are able to make an arrest, testimony may be basis of a criminal prosecution.

He said Ronalds' relationships with each party is important in developing a timeline leading up to Haleigh's disappearance, they could ask him to come back and testify on the state's behalf.

 

[MADJGNLAW]

or what reason would LE have to keep this a missing persons case for a year and a half?

:waitasec:I have heard that LE will not tell the family the status of a case if they feel that one or more of the parents may be involved or POI in some cases. Maybe that is why LE kept the case as missing for such a long time. Just a thought.

 

[Whisperer]

I agree. I believe that rc and tn have been involved from the beginning, due to their strange actions. Also, remember, we now have RC's atty saying that RC called the magnolia address that night, but not looking for misty. How does that figure into this theory?:waitasec:

Calling the Magnolia address is news to me. When did Shoemaker say this? Very Interesting..thank you.

 

[lonetraveler]

IMO, Ron did not acknowledge the fight over the gun because he did not want to incriminate himself. There is definitely something about that gun that Ron does not want to get out.

PS. I wish we could find out if the Magnolia Address was ever search or investigated by LE and also, why wasn't Ron car ever examined like the van?

 

[Emeralgem]

Calling the Magnolia address is news to me. When did Shoemaker say this? Very Interesting..thank you.

That information was given out in the last week or so but to my knowledge that information came from AH on either JVM or NG.. I never heard Shoemaker make that statement...JMHO

 

[Whisperer]

Ron's going to help with the timeline? Shoemaker says that ron isn't buying the story of the gun...yeah right. I am sure ron is just sitting there in jail brainstorming. I put Shoemaker in the same pea pod as Baez...always attributing their thoughts as belongint to their clients. I do not believe anything said is in the right order or actually eminated from the defendent's mouth the way Shoemaker presents it and states it.

 

[Emeralgem]

IMO, Ron did not acknowledge the fight over the gun because he did not want to incriminate himself. There is definitely something about that gun that Ron does not want to get out.

PS. I wish we could find out if the Magnolia Address was ever search or investigated by LE and also, why wasn't Ron car ever examined like the van?

We have no information that the residence on Magnolia was searched or was even searched during the SJ river search....
The ONLY vehicle checked and processed to my knowledge was that van with the scratch on it..And maybe that red truck of Tommy's that Tim Miller states he told LE about..
LE has never mentioned searching any of the Cummings/Neves/Sykes residences or their cars..