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[UKGuy]

But what is the simplest explanation? I agree that condensed milk in the bowl makes it unlikely it was set out buffet style. Still, we don't know that it was prepared after arriving home from the party.

I agree that we need to look at the probabilities but just what is the most probable scenario?

If the snack were prepared after the party, and was intended for both kids, then I'd expect at least 2 spoons, and IMO it's more probable there would be 2 bowls.

Speaking of qualifications and choppiness.

JB's prints are not on the bowl or the glass. So, if we assume momentarily that both kids sat down to a post-party pineapple snack, one was not able to eat w/o leaving prints, and the other was able to eat w/o leaving any. Though we cannot be sure what the gaggle of guests touched, cleaned up etc. before the crime scene photos were taken, as far as we know, there is no separate cup for the tea, no 2nd spoon for the second child, and only one bowl for them to eat from jointly. To me it's not very probable that PR set out one bowl and one spoon for two kids. One bowl and two spoons would, IMO, be stretching credibility. If she was going to bother cutting up fresh pineapple after the party, how much more trouble is it to put some in a 2nd bowl with it's own spoon?

It seems more probable to me that the snack was either prepared for one child, who had complained of being hungry, (while the other declined) or that it had been prepared prior to the party and was not cleaned up - thus still on the table and accessible.

Regardless of what time the pineapple was prepared, we have PRs prints to suggest she prepared it, and BRs to suggest he handled the bowl and glass -and presumably ate some pineapple, but we have nothing to link JB to the bowl, except of course the fact that pineapple was in her small intestine. We must then accept that she ate pineapple, post-party, but we must also struggle to explain the circumstances.

We have a bowl with PR/BR prints, and a glass with BR prints, and nothing with JB prints. (Too bad the spoon was not tested) So what really is the probability? Did JB share a bowl and spoon with BR? I think this unlikely, if they were under PRs supervision. Did she have her own spoon, sharing from the same bowl? I regard this as somewhat unlikely too, and it raises the question - where's the second spoon?

Was the pineapple prepared for one child - Burke- and JB decided she just wanted a little and was fed a few pieces with BRs spoon? Possible. But I'd imagine PR would frown on sharing a spoon. Did she just pick a few pieces from the bowl with her fingers? It seems likely to me, as we have no 2nd spoon, and no JB prints on the bowl.

Somehow, she ate pineapple, and as far as we know, the only pineapple is in the one bowl, with the one spoon. Is it really much of a stretch to suggest she ate a few pieces with her fingers?

If she did take a few pieces with her fingers then she might have eaten it at the same time BR was eating "his" pineapple snack, or she might have taken from a bowl left out from earlier in the day. If one is willing to consider that the glass was there from earlier in the day, why not the bowl of pineapple?

Would she have been more likely to have taken a few pieces from a bowl left out, or from BR's bowl as he sat eating "his" snack, with PR overseeing events?

I'd suggest the simplest explanation is that the bowl had been left out, and JB slipped into the breakfast room and helped herself to a few pieces. She may have used the spoon - we can't know at this point, or she may simply have used fingers, as 6 year olds are prone to do.

There is of course no certainty, and I don't offer it as the only plausible explanation. Certainly it's no choppier or more convoluted than 2 children sharing from one bowl with one spoon, or a missing 2nd bowl/spoon, with BR making hot tea in a cup that was never found and depositing the tea bag in a glass which he definitely handled.

Chrishope,

But what is the simplest explanation? I agree that condensed milk in the bowl makes it unlikely it was set out buffet style. Still, we don't know that it was prepared after arriving home from the party.

Applying occam and KISS vigorously, at its simplest: Patsy prepared the pineapple and either placed it on the table or handed it to Burke so to do?

JonBenet's fingerprints might be on the spoon, similarly with her dna, since she is the victim, the absence of this information is not critical. Also the spoon is in the bowl suggesting it had been used?

Alternatively Burke picked up the bowl and selected a piece of pineapple for snacking? Burke may have had his own bowl, who knows but absence of any forensics does not prevent us from generating a basic scenario.

Maybe it was prepared by Patsy and left in the fridge, who knows, but that again is a qualification that does not invalidate the simplest scenario.

Now the way I see it is if Patsy is cutting up Pineapple late at night and fetching condensed milk for JonBenet, then she is being attentive to her, this does not seem to demonstrate any underlying tensions or a sense of conflict?

Also JonBenet never finished the bowl off, this might be important or just a minor detail, e.g. JonBenet was interrupted somehow?

That Burke's fingerprint is on the bowl and the glass, seems to place him in the breakfast bar. Another scenario is Burke fetched pineapple , already prepared by Patsy, from the fridge, whilst Patsy was engaged on some other task?

Alternatively as above, BDI, except John and Patsy are in bed, and Burke and JonBenet go down to the breakfast bar, for a pineapple snack. All leading to JonBenet's death.

In the latter scenario, Patsy is ignorant about who fed JonBenet, but not that she could have been fed, so putting her denials regarding the pineapple to one side. BDI is one scenario where Patsy may not have knowledge that JonBenet snacked on pineapple, so as Patsy institutes the wine-cellar staging, she does not know to cleanup the breakfast bar, and of course for Burke, its a minor detail long forgotten?

So if you allow the assumption that Patsy prepared the pineapple as some earlier stage, then the breakfast bar might be consistent with a BDI?


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[Chrishope]

Chrishope,

Applying occam and KISS vigorously, at its simplest: Patsy prepared the pineapple and either placed it on the table or handed it to Burke so to do?

JonBenet's fingerprints might be on the spoon, similarly with her dna, since she is the victim, the absence of this information is not critical. Also the spoon is in the bowl suggesting it had been used?

Alternatively Burke picked up the bowl and selected a piece of pineapple for snacking? Burke may have had his own bowl, who knows but absence of any forensics does not prevent us from generating a basic scenario.

Maybe it was prepared by Patsy and left in the fridge, who knows, but that again is a qualification that does not invalidate the simplest scenario.

Now the way I see it is if Patsy is cutting up Pineapple late at night and fetching condensed milk for JonBenet, then she is being attentive to her, this does not seem to demonstrate any underlying tensions or a sense of conflict?

Also JonBenet never finished the bowl off, this might be important or just a minor detail, e.g. JonBenet was interrupted somehow?

That Burke's fingerprint is on the bowl and the glass, seems to place him in the breakfast bar. Another scenario is Burke fetched pineapple , already prepared by Patsy, from the fridge, whilst Patsy was engaged on some other task?

Alternatively as above, BDI, except John and Patsy are in bed, and Burke and JonBenet go down to the breakfast bar, for a pineapple snack. All leading to JonBenet's death.

In the latter scenario, Patsy is ignorant about who fed JonBenet, but not that she could have been fed, so putting her denials regarding the pineapple to one side. BDI is one scenario where Patsy may not have knowledge that JonBenet snacked on pineapple, so as Patsy institutes the wine-cellar staging, she does not know to cleanup the breakfast bar, and of course for Burke, its a minor detail long forgotten?

So if you allow the assumption that Patsy prepared the pineapple as some earlier stage, then the breakfast bar might be consistent with a BDI?


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Applying occam and KISS vigorously, at its simplest: Patsy prepared the pineapple and either placed it on the table or handed it to Burke so to do?

Quite reasonable, but there is still no reason to assume it was done post-party. PR could have prepared the snack several hours prior, and BR could have handled it several hours prior.

If we really want to use Occam's razor wrt preparing the pineapple after the party we have to admit the most likely answer is that no post-party snack was prepared as no snack was needed. The kids had returned from a party where ample food and drink was available, it was relatively late at night -for kids that age- and the family had to get up to fly to MI. Cutting up fresh pineapple (as opposed to opening a can) isn't the easiest snack to prepare.

There's not much doubt the spoon was used, but by whom? Since it wasn't tested we will never know.

The other scenarios are all possible.

A BDI scenario where BR/JB come down later, getting it out of the 'fridge, would indeed be a situation where PR is unaware that JB had pineapple.

Now the way I see it is if Patsy is cutting up Pineapple late at night and fetching condensed milk for JonBenet, then she is being attentive to her, this does not seem to demonstrate any underlying tensions or a sense of conflict?

Very true. This is one of the reasons I'm spending so much time on seemingly small details. If we can understand how JB came to eat pineapple (and we can never really be sure) then we get some insight into the R's state of mind wrt to JB. In the scenario you just pointed out, there is no hostility, at least at that time, so it's likely a rage killing -per ST- or an accident as per BDI.

So if you allow the assumption that Patsy prepared the pineapple as some earlier stage, then the breakfast bar might be consistent with a BDI?

It might very well be. It would also be consistent with JB simply helping herself. It would not be hard for her to walk into the breakfast room, grab some pineapple and eat it, w/o necessarily being observed by the Rs.

Also JonBenet never finished the bowl off, this might be important or just a minor detail, e.g. JonBenet was interrupted somehow?

Or she never intended to have more than a few pieces. e.g., she was not interrupted but simply ate a relatively small amount. But yes, it's possible she was interrupted.

It's too bad we don't really know how much was in her intestine. The autopsy report says something on the order of 10ccs in her stomach. The more she ate, the more likely (it seems to me) that she sat down and had a snack specifically prepared.

It's also too bad we can't verify who else in the household did/did not have pineapple that night, after the party.

 

[DeeDee249]

The pineapple was still in her small intestine, which the stomach empties directly into. At that point, it would have been further broken down and passed into the large intestine, then colon and into the rectum for excretion. The "soft green fecal material" further down represented whatever she ate earlier that day including at the White's. The fact that it was still identifiable as pineapple is what indicates that she died not long after it was eaten. All digestion, like all metabolic processes, stop at death, so it would have not been digested any further. If any other matter was in her stomach, it wasn't mentioned specifically, and any food would have still been identified. So we know nothing was eaten after the pineapple. The 10cc could have been a combination of liquid she drank and stomach juices.

 

[Chrishope]

The pineapple was still in her small intestine, which the stomach empties directly into. At that point, it would have been further broken down and passed into the large intestine, then colon and into the rectum for excretion. The "soft green fecal material" further down represented whatever she ate earlier that day including at the White's. The fact that it was still identifiable as pineapple is what indicates that she died not long after it was eaten. All digestion, like all metabolic processes, stop at death, so it would have not been digested any further. If any other matter was in her stomach, it wasn't mentioned specifically, and any food would have still been identified. So we know nothing was eaten after the pineapple. The 10cc could have been a combination of liquid she drank and stomach juices.

"The stomach contains a small amount (8-10 cc) of viscous to green to tan colored thick mucous material without particulate matter identified"

There was particulate matter, though unidentified. The description does sound much like the description of the contents of the small intestine.

"The proximal portion of the small intestine contains fragmented pieces of yellow to light green-tan apparent vegetable or fruit material which may represent fragments of pineapple."

Both descriptions refer to the contents as green-tan. Rather strangely, the matter in her intestine is identified as veg/fruit material, that may be pineapple. The contents of the stomach are simply referred to as particulate matter not identified. One might suppose that the stomach contents would be easier to ID than the intestinal contents.

So, I wonder if this is just sloppy reporting, or if the stomach particulate matter is something other than pineapple. Or is it just that the stomach contents are of such small volume the contents can't be identified.

It takes a bit over 2 hours for pineapple to move from the stomach to the small intestine, (different foods move at different rates) so she had to have eaten it a bit over two hours prior to death. As you point out since it was not broken down much in the intestine, she had to have died shortly after it passed from the stomach.

 

[UKGuy]

"The stomach contains a small amount (8-10 cc) of viscous to green to tan colored thick mucous material without particulate matter identified"

There was particulate matter, though unidentified. The description does sound much like the description of the contents of the small intestine.

"The proximal portion of the small intestine contains fragmented pieces of yellow to light green-tan apparent vegetable or fruit material which may represent fragments of pineapple."

Both descriptions refer to the contents as green-tan. Rather strangely, the matter in her intestine is identified as veg/fruit material, that may be pineapple. The contents of the stomach are simply referred to as particulate matter not identified. One might suppose that the stomach contents would be easier to ID than the intestinal contents.

So, I wonder if this is just sloppy reporting, or if the stomach particulate matter is something other than pineapple. Or is it just that the stomach contents are of such small volume the contents can't be identified.

It takes a bit over 2 hours for pineapple to move from the stomach to the small intestine, (different foods move at different rates) so she had to have eaten it a bit over two hours prior to death. As you point out since it was not broken down much in the intestine, she had to have died shortly after it passed from the stomach.

Chrishope,

It takes a bit over 2 hours for pineapple to move from the stomach to the small intestine, (different foods move at different rates) so she had to have eaten it a bit over two hours prior to death. As you point out since it was not broken down much in the intestine, she had to have died shortly after it passed from the stomach.

This site quotes 2h 15m, and with JonBenet being so young, with a high metabolism, 2h, seems a nice estimate?
http://www.unani.com/digestion_time_of_foods.htm


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[DeeDee249]

I am wondering if it also may have moved more quickly because there was likely nothing else consumed. It's not like she had a heavy meal and then ate the pineapple for dessert. I doubt she at much at the White's. You know how kids are at dinner parties. Maybe they were busy playing- Christmas is a pretty exciting day. Daphne (White) also had gotten some fun gifts from Santa and the girls were playing with them. That was the main reason why JR asked PW to "hold out some cracked crab for JB", later reversing it and saying it was "strange that PW suggested holding out a plate of cracked crab for JB".
The soft green fecal material was whatever she ate at the White's or even earlier in the day if it had not already been excreted.

An interesting point from a forensics aspect- in properly functioning kidneys, there is always some urine in the bladder. At the moment of death, the bladder releases urine in almost every case, even if in life the bladder is not full enough to stimulate the urge to urinate. However, even though the sphincter in the anus also relaxes at death, feces will not be released at death unless there is fecal material in the rectum about to be excreted. Feces present in the colon or large intestine does not get released at death. There will often be an area of greenish discoloration seen on the abdomen of a corpse, and this represents feces in the intestinal tract which has begun to putrefy because of the inherent bacterial action of bacteria normally present in the intestinal tract in life. That is why there was no fecal release with JB. Interestingly, there was no mention by the coroner of any fecal matter in the rectum or anus, or anywhere that might have indicated she had recently had a bowel movement (even in her pants) shortly before death. I know a "toilet rage" aspect exists in this case, but that may have been urine and not feces. Even if that happened, her bladder would still release urine at death for the reasons I mentioned.

 

[Chrishope]

I am wondering if it also may have moved more quickly because there was likely nothing else consumed. It's not like she had a heavy meal and then ate the pineapple for dessert. I doubt she at much at the White's. You know how kids are at dinner parties. Maybe they were busy playing- Christmas is a pretty exciting day. Daphne (White) also had gotten some fun gifts from Santa and the girls were playing with them. That was the main reason why JR asked PW to "hold out some cracked crab for JB", later reversing it and saying it was "strange that PW suggested holding out a plate of cracked crab for JB".
The soft green fecal material was whatever she ate at the White's or even earlier in the day if it had not already been excreted.

An interesting point from a forensics aspect- in properly functioning kidneys, there is always some urine in the bladder. At the moment of death, the bladder releases urine in almost every case, even if in life the bladder is not full enough to stimulate the urge to urinate. However, even though the sphincter in the anus also relaxes at death, feces will not be released at death unless there is fecal material in the rectum about to be excreted. Feces present in the colon or large intestine does not get released at death. There will often be an area of greenish discoloration seen on the abdomen of a corpse, and this represents feces in the intestinal tract which has begun to putrefy because of the inherent bacterial action of bacteria normally present in the intestinal tract in life. That is why there was no fecal release with JB. Interestingly, there was no mention by the coroner of any fecal matter in the rectum or anus, or anywhere that might have indicated she had recently had a bowel movement (even in her pants) shortly before death. I know a "toilet rage" aspect exists in this case, but that may have been urine and not feces. Even if that happened, her bladder would still release urine at death for the reasons I mentioned.

Very interesting

 

[Olivia&Eve]

That is why there was no fecal release with JB. Interestingly, there was no mention by the coroner of any fecal matter in the rectum or anus, or anywhere that might have indicated she had recently had a bowel movement (even in her pants) shortly before death.

I remember reading that there was an open bag of "pullups" or nighttime diapers in the open closet. Was the garbage ever looked at? Maybe for soiled sheets/diaper? Something that would suggest they had gotten up in the night?

 

[DeeDee249]

I remember reading that there was an open bag of "pullups" or nighttime diapers in the open closet. Was the garbage ever looked at? Maybe for soiled sheets/diaper? Something that would suggest they had gotten up in the night?

If the house was checked according to proper police protocol, the garbage SHOULD have been checked. The police did take note of the Pull-Ups and asked Patsy about them. Patsy claimed that JB used to use them but she didn't want to wear them and Patsy simply had the sheets changed each day. As far as JB pooping her pants- as evidenced by the FACT that ALL her panties (except the ones she was wearing when she was found- and they weren't HER panties anyway) had fecal stains in them- Patsy dealt with that however she dealt with that. We really don't know. There was a mention that Patsy used to douche JB when she pooped her pants. There were no hampers in the house. The family simply dropped dirty clothes on the floor wherever they took them off. In the crime photos, police discussed with Patsy a pair of black child's pants that had fecal matter/staining in them lying on the floor. Patsy denied they were the black pants JB wore to the White's that day. Without seeing them in person, it would be impossible to tell whether they were the black velvet pants she wore. You'd have to look at the fabric, check to see if they matched the black velvet vest that she also wore that day and which was part of the set, and also see if those pants had a "Gap Kids" tag in them. The entire outfit JB wore that day to the White's was a set purchased recently at Gap Kids. It consisted of black velvet pants and vest and a white sweatshirt with a silver sequin star. This shirt was found on the body.
There was a laundry chute, which according to the housekeeper, only JR used. No word on whether it was checked. I doubt it- the police were pretty lax.

 

[UKGuy]

If the house was checked according to proper police protocol, the garbage SHOULD have been checked. The police did take note of the Pull-Ups and asked Patsy about them. Patsy claimed that JB used to use them but she didn't want to wear them and Patsy simply had the sheets changed each day. As far as JB pooping her pants- as evidenced by the FACT that ALL her panties (except the ones she was wearing when she was found- and they weren't HER panties anyway) had fecal stains in them- Patsy dealt with that however she dealt with that. We really don't know. There was a mention that Patsy used to douche JB when she pooped her pants. There were no hampers in the house. The family simply dropped dirty clothes on the floor wherever they took them off. In the crime photos, police discussed with Patsy a pair of black child's pants that had fecal matter/staining in them lying on the floor. Patsy denied they were the black pants JB wore to the White's that day. Without seeing them in person, it would be impossible to tell whether they were the black velvet pants she wore. You'd have to look at the fabric, check to see if they matched the black velvet vest that she also wore that day and which was part of the set, and also see if those pants had a "Gap Kids" tag in them. The entire outfit JB wore that day to the White's was a set purchased recently at Gap Kids. It consisted of black velvet pants and vest and a white sweatshirt with a silver sequin star. This shirt was found on the body.
There was a laundry chute, which according to the housekeeper, only JR used. No word on whether it was checked. I doubt it- the police were pretty lax.

DeeDee249,
Is this the black velvet pants on this bed?

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[mountvernoncc]

IIRC, one one page I read somewhere, one of the detectives mentioned something about a strong odor coming from the bathroom in Jonbenet's room. He said it reminded him of some cleaning materials. Can anyone verify this?

 

[UKGuy]

IIRC, one one page I read somewhere, one of the detectives mentioned something about a strong odor coming from the bathroom in Jonbenet's room. He said it reminded him of some cleaning materials. Can anyone verify this?

mountvernoncc,
Yes, some have thought it might be bleaching highlights for JonBenet's hair or some kind of bleach to remove forensic staining?


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[Olivia&Eve]

mountvernoncc,
Yes, some have thought it might be bleaching highlights for JonBenet's hair or some kind of bleach to remove forensic staining?


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Regular chlorine bleach will not remove hemoglobin, so luminol would detect any forensic blood staining. Oxygen bleach however, will remove any trace. Did they go as far as too "scan" the bathroom? I guess my facts are not up to snuff--I best get reading some more.

 

[DeeDee249]

Regular chlorine bleach will not remove hemoglobin, so luminol would detect any forensic blood staining. Oxygen bleach however, will remove any trace. Did they go as far as too "scan" the bathroom? I guess my facts are not up to snuff--I best get reading some more.

They reported a "bleach odor" but I am wondering if it might have been peroxide.

 

[DeeDee249]

DeeDee249,
Is this the black velvet pants on this bed?

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I don't think so. The fecal-stained pants were discussed as being seen on the floor. Possibly her bathroom. It's in the interviews somewhere. I don't think it is in any photos available to us. It was discussed as having the fecal staining clearly visible.

 

[UKGuy]

I don't think so. The fecal-stained pants were discussed as being seen on the floor. Possibly her bathroom. It's in the interviews somewhere. I don't think it is in any photos available to us. It was discussed as having the fecal staining clearly visible.

Yes you are correct, the bathroom floor, with fecal staining present.


I think the pants lying on the bed are the black velvet pants, otherwise ST would have queried Patsy about them in the following interview excerpt?

The only evidential item I could find to match the velvet pants was:
Clothing pants black & gray, girls 1 64 BAB

Patsy on the black velvet pants 1997 BPD Interview Excerpt

PR: Well she wore this little outfit that I had gotten her at the Gap. We had a little, little riff over that, cause I wanted her to wear, I was wearing a red sweater and I wanted her to wear this red sweater with her black velvet pant, cause I was wearing black velvet paths and it was Christmas and all that.

TT: Um hum.

PR: And she didn’t want to wear the red shirt just because I was wearing it. She wanted to wear the shirt that went with the outfit which was a Gap outfit that I had bought her when we went shopping for her and it was a little white, kind of neck like this, kind of a . . .

TT: Kind of a crew neck?

PR: . . .crew neck and it had a little, little rhinestone, little kind of sequin kind of star thing on it.

TT: Okay.

PR: So I just left that on her.

TT: Okay. And I’m sorry. What kind of pants, what color of pants. . .

PR: They were black velvet . black velvet jeans, kind of like, from the Gap. Some little black velvet vest.

TT: And what were you wearing Patsy, a, a red turtleneck and black. . .

PR: Velvet jeans, yeah.

TT: Okay.

PR: Velvet pants. And I have a Christmas sweater I was wearing.

TT: And what color was that?

PR: Red with all kinds of . . .

TT: And that was over the turtleneck.

PR: Yeah.

TT: Okay. Okay. What did, what did Burke wear over to the White’s house that day?

PR: Oh, I don’t remember. I don’t remember.

Patsy on the Ponytail, 1997 BPD Interview Excerpt

T: Did JonBenet normally sleep in addition to her jewelry with any hair ties in her hair.

PR: Usually, uh, a rubberband.

ST: Pulled back into a single ponytail.

PR: Back, ponytail, yeah.

ST: When JonBenet would undress, uh, either pajamas or out of her normal clothes, uh, what would she do with those clothes? Would they be discarded on the floor where they hit . . .

PR: Um hum.

ST: . . .or go to a hamper? Just hit the floor.

PR: (Inaudible) hit the floor.

Yet, remember our discussion over this? JonBenet had two ponytails. I thought with different colors of band, but the autopsy says otherwise?

Autopsy: External Examination
Hair on Scalp. "The scalp is covered by long blonde hair which is fixed in two ponytails, one on top of the head secured by a cloth hair tie and blue elastic band, and one in the lower back of the head secured by a blue elastic band.

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[DeeDee249]

Mothers of girls with long hair will understand what I am talking about here: If you see some pics of JB from her parents' party on the 23rd or one of her school pics that I have seen on the internet, she wears the sides of her hair pulled up into a topknot, and the rest of her hair down her back loose. Usually a little girl might wear a bow, ribbon, or decorative elastic in a color to match her outfit to secure this topknot. It is entirely possible that JB wore her hair in the topknot for the White's party, with the red/black/white hairtie, which would have matched her black and white Gap outfit and the red, of course, for Christmas. Then- when she arrive home, the topknot was left in place and the long strands of hair was pulled back into a ponytail just as Patsy mentions here., This definitely accounts for the seemingly odd asymmetrical ponytails found on the body. They could simply have been nothing more that Patsy pulling JB's hair into her usual bedtime hairdo while leaving the "party hairdo" in place- not hard to imagine with readying a sleepy child for bed. There was nothing sinister or odd about her hairdo- and I would not expect male police officers (or Arndtm who had no kids) or a male coroner to have been familiar with this. Her hairdo when she was found had nothing to do with the crime. I put my own little girl's hair into this type of stye for sleeping all the time, frequently leaving in other barrettes or hairties while at the same time pulling her long hair back with a different (and not necessarily matching) hair fastener.

 

[anne11]

That scenario makes sense DeeDee, but JBR surely must've been awake for the hair to be rearranged

 

[DeeDee249]

That scenario makes sense DeeDee, but JBR surely must've been awake for the hair to be rearranged

Many feel she was awake when she got home and did not go to sleep at all. BUT- this hairdo can be arranged on a sleeping child- I have done it myself. You just have to roll them on their tummies if they are not already, and pull the hair back into a hairtie. The topknot can remain in place without disturbing the child. It is the loose long hair that tangles while sleeping.
Of course, this depends on how soundly the child is sleeping, but it can be done on a sleeping child.

 

[UKGuy]

Mothers of girls with long hair will understand what I am talking about here: If you see some pics of JB from her parents' party on the 23rd or one of her school pics that I have seen on the internet, she wears the sides of her hair pulled up into a topknot, and the rest of her hair down her back loose. Usually a little girl might wear a bow, ribbon, or decorative elastic in a color to match her outfit to secure this topknot. It is entirely possible that JB wore her hair in the topknot for the White's party, with the red/black/white hairtie, which would have matched her black and white Gap outfit and the red, of course, for Christmas. Then- when she arrive home, the topknot was left in place and the long strands of hair was pulled back into a ponytail just as Patsy mentions here., This definitely accounts for the seemingly odd asymmetrical ponytails found on the body. They could simply have been nothing more that Patsy pulling JB's hair into her usual bedtime hairdo while leaving the "party hairdo" in place- not hard to imagine with readying a sleepy child for bed. There was nothing sinister or odd about her hairdo- and I would not expect male police officers (or Arndtm who had no kids) or a male coroner to have been familiar with this. Her hairdo when she was found had nothing to do with the crime. I put my own little girl's hair into this type of stye for sleeping all the time, frequently leaving in other barrettes or hairties while at the same time pulling her long hair back with a different (and not necessarily matching) hair fastener.

DeeDee249,
OK, we have an innocent explanation for JonBenet's asymmetric ponytails. Just wonder why Patsy never said she fashioned them?


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