Read this and tell me the Ramseys aren't hiding something ...

[Nehemiah]

They trusted the BPD to handle the kidnapping properly; they didn't.
They trusted the BPD to investigate the murder properly; they didn't.
Soon they were advised that they were the targets and the only targets of the investigation; so they accepted the necessity for the lawyers.

They supposedly lawyered up on the evening of the 26th, or at least by the 27th. How did anyone know that early that the Rs were going to be the "targets"?

 

[Imon128]

They trusted the BPD to handle the kidnapping properly; they didn't.
They trusted the BPD to investigate the murder properly; they didn't.
Soon they were advised that they were the targets and the only targets of the investigation; so they accepted the necessity for the lawyers.

They WANTED the BPD to handle the fake kidnapping properly...in order to facilitate the lie.

They had no idea of everything the BPD/LE were doing to investigate the murder...unless they were heading up the investigation, and I think they wanted to control it, yes.

Who advised them they were the only targets? Also, on a TV show, they said they weren't ticked to be looked at, however, I think they secretly were really ticked as the note was supposed to present a red herring. JMO, though.

 

[Toth]

Who advised them they were the only targets?

Mike Bynum received a phone call from "an authoritative source whom he trusted implicitly". I'm pretty sure I know who the caller was, but until he reveals the role he played, I'm not going to.

 

[Barbara]

Mike Bynum received a phone call from "an authoritative source whom he trusted implicitly". I'm pretty sure I know who the caller was, but until he reveals the role he played, I'm not going to.

Baloney! Ridiculous!

I don't believe that for one minute

Who needs a "secret" source to tell the parents that under these circumstances, they would be the initial "targets" to be interrogated, sampled and would have to be cleared before discounting them as suspects and going further outside the immediate family circle? Obviously not the Ramseys, because they have stated those exact sentiments on more than one occasion; however, still refused to cooperate.

Any lag time in the investigation elsewhere is the Ramseys own doing and as such, should never complain. It is common sense to understand why the police stayed focused on the Ramseys, as they made it pretty obvious that they must have something to hide, and plenty of it!

 

[Maxi]

Mike Bynum has also said that he knew right away that the parents would be considered the first suspects. I don't think he needed someone to tell him that. Heck, the only people who have claimed NOT to know that were the Ramseys.

The Ramsey also claim that they relied on the BPD to handle the investigation properly, and the BPD let them down. Yet their actions prevented the BPD from following normal investigative procedures from the moment JBR's body was discovered, and the Ramteam hired private investigators within days.

 

[Toth]

Who needs a "secret" source to tell the parents that under these circumstances, they would be the initial "targets" to be interrogated, sampled and would have to be cleared before discounting them as suspects and going further outside the immediate family circle?

Your views on law enforcement are frightening. I can just see someone dialing 911 and saying my house is on fire only to hear "as soon as we clear you of suspicion of arson, we will send the firetrucks out there". Or ''someone just took my kid and drove of in an old green car": as soon as we clear you of any involvement we will sent out a car to look for your kid.

 

[LovelyPigeon]

Mike Bynum was a former prosecutor. He knew where investigations focus. As a friend of the Ramseys, he wanted to be sure they had legal representation. It wasn't something the Ramseys quickly thought of on their own--it was recommended to them by a lawyer friend they trusted.

If you've read PMPT and ST's book you can deduce that Bynum learned of JonBenét's death by way of a phone call & message left from the Whites. The Whites called friends of the Ramseys after the body was found to tell them what had happened.

 

[Imon128]

I read both books and never deduced that the Whites called Mike Bynum to let him know about JB's death. Did I miss it? I don't recall reading exactly how Mike Bynum knew, only that he showed up the night of the discovery of JB's body. Also, I think others were calling friends to let them know, too, if the Whites did.

Edited to add that I believe it was Fleet White who had a message from a lawyer left on his machine. It didn't say that Fleet initiated a call to that lawyer, but I guess it's possible. I believe this info is in Steve's book?

 

[LovelyPigeon]

Do you recall that the Whites "began to notify the Ramseys' other friends that JonBenét had died"? That's PMPT p20

Remember that Pam Griffin heard a message from Priscilla White on her answering machine? PMPT p21

Remember that Bynum said in interview that he was out snowshoeing and learned of the murder only when he returned home?

I have no problem deducing from those facts that the Whites calling & leaving a message are probably how Bynum learned of the tragedy.

 

[Imon128]

Bynum wasn't a close friend of the R's. Why would somebody 'just call' him? I don't want to dig through all my books, but I do believe others called friends, too. Pam Griffen, perhaps? Bynum, nor any lawyer, wasn't a close friend of John and Patsy, per John's testimony in the Miles case.

 

[sissi]

I can't believe anyone who has watched this "parade" could suggest the parents weren't the initial suspects. Has anyone not watched the Linda Arndt interview,the one where she counted her bullets when she saw the evil in John's face? When she felt as though she was in the middle of a "Rosemary's Baby" scene?
How about when the officer said,"Patsy splayed her fingers",peaking through,ohhhh so guilty! Then the HUGE LIE,"snow surrounded the house,there were no footprints".
The Ramseys were given the right advice,perhaps not the best in follow up,but the initial advice to gain counsel was correct,IMO.

 

[Barbara]

Your views on law enforcement are frightening. I can just see someone dialing 911 and saying my house is on fire only to hear "as soon as we clear you of suspicion of arson, we will send the firetrucks out there". Or ''someone just took my kid and drove of in an old green car": as soon as we clear you of any involvement we will sent out a car to look for your kid.

Wrong againToth.

My views on law enforcement are based in real life, real time. Yes, as soon as they put out the fire in my house and look for my kid, anybody with an ounce of common sense, would EXPECT to be looked at first before they look anywhere else. I live in the real world where those distasteful, but necessary investigation procedures are to be expected. That's why every other parent in the world has NOT done what the Ramseys have done during this investigation.

Is it really possible that the Ramseys are the only parents of a murdered child in the whole world who did the RIGHT and MORAL thing by refusing to cooperate with the police unless their "conditions" were met?

I'll come back to Susan Smith. Every expert in the country who has commented on that case agrees (prosecutors and defense) that if Susan Smith had gotten an attorney, she would be a free woman today. She would have refused to speak with police and therefore, could not have been tricked into confessing by the police. Personally, that is how I feel about the Ramseys. They will never be in prison for the murder/cover up of their daughter because they did in fact hire attornies and refuse to speak with police until they had everything well rehearsed and "forgotten" with all their dim memories and such.

That is a double edged sword that evokes different viewpoints for different people. Should Susan Smith have hired an attorney? That's a personal dilemma for each person to decide for themselves based on their own morals. It's the American way.

LP,

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make in your post. I think it is pretty clear that LE was focused on the Ramseys, but in the real world, they have to be ruled out first. The point that LE focused in on the Ramseys is not denied. You and others can resent that, but hey, that's the unfairness of life. Sometimes, egos and personal resentment have to take a back seat to the things that are really important in life, like the murder of one's child.

It may not be pretty, but few things in a murder investigation are.

 

[Imon128]

Isn't that NORMALLY where investigations of this sort start? With the inner circle and Patsy and John were the core of the inner circle. Humor me a little, say it were another family and they WERE involved, lied and led the police on a wild goose chase, and got away with it. Would the police be looked at as silly because they didn't look first at the family?

 

[Jayelles]

Sissi- I can't believe anyone who has watched this "parade" could suggest the parents weren't the initial suspects.

Are you really suggesting that they should not have been then initial suspects?

All it took was for them to allow the investigating officers to investigate them, clear them and move on. Murder isn't nice. The Ramseys behaved exactly as though they had something to hide and that ensured that the police kept the focus on them. John Ramsey wanted police to give them a pass, not to bother them with interviews - just accept his word that they weren't that kind of people and look elsewhere. Nice defence!

 

[Imon128]

Jayelles, they probably were secretly thinking...'don't you know you're supposed to believe that hinky note, darn it!?! That's why we wrote it in the first place...what part of it don't you believe? We can spruce it up, you know.' LOL

 

[Jayelles]

You and others can resent that, but hey, that's the unfairness of life. Sometimes, egos and personal resentment have to take a back seat to the things that are really important in life, like the murder of one's child.

Hear hear! And here I believe may lie the fundamental key behind the mindset of RST.

 

[Imon128]

For some reason, the RST seems to think the R's comfort should have come before anything else. Comfort for them was to not be 'scrutinized'. Wouldn't every criminal like that luxury? Oh, my.

 

[BlueCrab]

The Ramseys were lying their heads off that morning.

The Ramseys were lying about what time they had gotten out of bed. They would have never made it to the airport, a 20-minute drive, by 6:30 A.M. if they didn't get out of bed until 5:30. That's one lie.

Another lie was when they said Burke was asleep in bed when the enhanced 911 call proved he was up and talking to the parents at 5:52 A.M. They were lying to shield Burke from something.

I think the Ramseys got up around 4:00 A.M.

Mike Bynum"s law firm represented Access Graphics and John Ramsey, IMO, called Bynum immediately after discovering JonBenet's body around 4:00 A.M. and realizing that Burke and one or two other underage kids were involved in her grisly and embarrassing death. Bynum would have been the first attorney John could think of who might be able to help. He was right.

Bynum called the powerful and politically connected Bryan Morgan of Haddon, Morgan and Foreman, and the coverup was in place before the morning was over.

JMO

 

[LovelyPigeon]

Imon, was Pam Griffin named as a "close friend" in that deposition? I don't recall that she was.

And the quotation doesn't say that the Whites called only "close" friends, it says that the Whites called other friends..."other" meaning other than themselves, I think.

I don't recall that Pam Griffin called friends for the Ramseys.

I don't blame you for not wanting to search through books (it gets old, year after year), but do you recall from somewhere a report that Priscilla White took Patsy's Daytimer? It seems like I remember that, and it would probably have been the source for numbers called if she did.

 

[Imon128]

If I recall correctly, John's testimony as to who Patsy's close friends were, John was hesitant to name Patsy's friends. Is that your recall as well?

I don't know if Pam Griffin called folks, I was asking, more or less. I only recall that there were others making calls. Perhaps even Pam Paugh or Polly, my memory is foggy on that and I'd have to dig. As you can tell, I'm not wont to dig these days, LOL.