Reasons why you think it could be suicide

[inthedark14]

An overturned chair can be overturned rather easily without a struggle. I wonder if Dr. Wecht was aware the child's mother felt his death was a homicide at the time he made his analysis. I bet not. He certainly went fairly mute after learning her suspicions.

I think it would be impossible for Dr. Wecht to conclude wounds were inflicted as a result of a struggle vs. self-inflicted.

JMO

He certainly was aware of it on the second Dr. Phil show, you know the one where he publicly scolded Dr. Melnick, the expert DS hired? It doesn't seem like knowing (the whole world knew at that point) that DS thought her child was murdered changed his mind about RZ's death.

 

[Gilgamesh]

We haven't heard much from Dina since her "Max was murdered by RZ" accusations went over like a lead balloon.

 

[Inparadise]

We haven't heard much from Dina since her "Max was murdered by RZ" accusations went over like a lead balloon.

I honestly wonder why Dina didn't hire Gloria Allred to represent her rather than Hallier........maybe they had a falling out over the divorce settlement?

 

[Carioca]

Originally Posted by MyBelle
I've seen no expert who examined her body say that the head wounds would have knocked her out or were of such severity she was incapable of hanging herself.

JMO

Actually Dr Wecht, a renown expert, DID examine Rebecca's body during the second autopsy. If she had been unconscious, she could hardly have carried out such an intricate suicide hanging... alone:

"You have to have blunt force trauma. You have to have the head impacting against some object four times; or be struck by something four times in a round, blunt force nature," said Dr. Wecht.

"I would like to hear from them how you get four separate impacts to the top of the head in a vertical hanging," Wecht continued. "And, the significance of that is that those kinds of impacts might lead to a concussion and could lead to temporary unconsciousness."

http://www.760kfmb.com/story/16049618/pathologist-hanging-would-have-broken-zahaus-neck

 

[minazoe]

well I hope you all don't think I don't see the potential for a homicide, I can see both sides and have caught up on the Anne Rule book,

I think she could have hit herself in the head, some people do this when they are hysterical. and I disagree about the chair, It only needed to be in the doorway, look at the pictures of the balcony itself.

what bothers me is the rope, the very intricate knot, even at the bedpost...the mud...does evidence show a path from her possibly going to retrieve the rope? muddy prints in the house? when did she get these mud caked feet?

where did she learn to hang herself with such skill???

I wonder if they consulted with a bondage expert?

 

[MyBelle]

I'm not sure how the mother's feelings about her childs accidental death would make the evidence in a suicide/homicide case become any different than what it was before the feelings of the mother was known. The facts of the case remain the same. There are unexplained things that would still be unexplained no matter what the mother feels or believes. The head wounds do not suddenly make sense now, the tape residue on Rebecca's legs do not now present a clear cut reason for being there, etc.

There has still been no answer as to how Rebecca could have self-inflicted 4 wounds on the top of her head during a suicidal hanging. And yes, people have been known to shoot and/or stab themselves. However, how many of them do so four times to the top of their head, strangle themselves and then hang themselves all during the course of the same short time frame?

MOO

The time frame remains unknown. Injuries to the top of the head could easily be self-inflicted, not much time required.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

Actually Dr Wecht, a renown expert, DID examine Rebecca's body during the second autopsy. If she had been unconscious, she could hardly have carried out such an intricate suicide hanging... alone:

"You have to have blunt force trauma. You have to have the head impacting against some object four times; or be struck by something four times in a round, blunt force nature," said Dr. Wecht.

"I would like to hear from them how you get four separate impacts to the top of the head in a vertical hanging," Wecht continued. "And, the significance of that is that those kinds of impacts might lead to a concussion and could lead to temporary unconsciousness."

http://www.760kfmb.com/story/16049618/pathologist-hanging-would-have-broken-zahaus-neck

Dr. Wecht was unable to offer his opinion with a necessary degree of certainty. "might lead" and "could lead" are useless mumblespeak.

JMO

 

[Inparadise]

Dr. Wecht was unable to offer his opinion with a necessary degree of certainty. "might lead" and "could lead" are useless mumblespeak.

JMO

IMO, Wecht is a heck of a lot more believable and credible than Melinek.......especially where a jury is concerned.

 

[Carioca]

Dr. Wecht was unable to offer his opinion with a necessary degree of certainty. "might lead" and "could lead" are useless mumblespeak.

JMO

There is not enough room here to list the master of investigation bias mumblespeak himself Gore's "we thinks" "we assumes" "message was erased" "might haves" "dismissals of evidence" etc etc etc etc

This thread is reasons why one might think it could be suicide. I can't come up with a single one. Based on evidence put forth by the most botched investigation ever, there are ziltch, nyet, zero reasons why.

 

[MyBelle]

IMO, Wecht is a heck of a lot more believable and credible than Melinek.......especially where a jury is concerned.

Wecht has nothing to do with Max's case. Melinek hasn't offered an opinion on RZ's case. I'm not sure why you keep insisting they are competing.

Even if the two were competing for credibility before a jury, Wecht has been prosecuted, isn't from California and his credibility easily challenged.

In stark contrast, Dr. Melinek has never been prosecuted, is from California and has testified for California prosecutors.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

There is not enough room here to list the master of investigation bias mumblespeak himself Gore's "we thinks" "we assumes" "message was erased" "might haves" "dismissals of evidence" etc etc etc etc

This thread is reasons why one might think it could be suicide. I can't come up with a single one. Based on evidence put forth by the most botched investigation ever, there are ziltch, nyet, zero reasons why.

I'm comfortable and confident the ruling of over a year ago is correct. The case remains closed and the ruling of suicide stands.

JMO

 

[Inparadise]

Wecht has nothing to do with Max's case. Melinek hasn't offered an opinion on RZ's case. I'm not sure why you keep insisting they are competing.

Even if the two were competing for credibility before a jury, Wecht has been prosecuted, isn't from California and his credibility easily challenged.

In stark contrast, Dr. Melinek has never been prosecuted, is from California and has testified for California prosecutors.

JMO

And just what does being from California or not have to do with anything related to either death? And by the way, Wecht was acquitted on the one charge, the rest were dropped....lots of people are prosecuted but acquitted.

 

[MyBelle]

And just what does being from California or not have to do with anything related to either death? And by the way, Wecht was acquitted on the one charge, the rest were dropped....lots of people are prosecuted but acquitted.

Where exactly do you believe Wecht will be called to testify and by whom? RZ's case isn't being prosecuted. It's been ruled a suicide in California. Wecht isn't from California so I doubt he will be called by the prosecution as a witness.

Judges determine whether a witness is expert or not. Juries determine credibility. Doesn't matter if Wecht was acquitted or not, the fact that he was charged is still is part of his credentials and it damages his reputation and credibility. His "expert" opinion in this case at this point is irrelevant.

JMO

 

[Inparadise]

Where exactly do you believe Wecht will be called to testify and by whom? RZ's case isn't being prosecuted. It's been ruled a suicide in California. Wecht isn't from California so I doubt he will be called by the prosecution as a witness.

Judges determine whether a witness is expert or not. Juries determine credibility. Doesn't matter if Wecht was acquitted or not, the fact that he was charged is still is part of his credentials and it damages his reputation and credibility. His "expert" opinion in this case at this point is irrelevant.

JMO

As is Melinek's: Dina and her so-called expert presented what they termed "new evidence" to LE, and they were turned down. Max's death was ruled as an accident.

 

[MyBelle]

As is Melinek's: Dina and her so-called expert presented what they termed "new evidence" to LE, and they were turned down. Max's death was ruled as an accident.

Coronado police do not have a homicide unit so it isn't surprising that the request to investigate Max's death was turned down. That said, Dr. Wecht had absolutely nothing to do with the request.

The topic is RZ's suicide not Max's death. Dr. Wecht, offered only an opinion about RZ's death and apparently the so-called "expert" didn't impress LE. He certainly doesn't impress me, either.


JMO

 

[Inparadise]

Coronado police do not have a homicide unit so it isn't surprising that the request to investigate Max's death was turned down. That said, Dr. Wecht had absolutely nothing to do with the request.

The topic is RZ's suicide not Max's death. Dr. Wecht, offered only an opinion about RZ's death and apparently the so-called "expert" didn't impress LE. He certainly doesn't impress me, either.


JMO

The Coronado police turned down the request because through the course of their investigation, which included assistance from SDSO (as documented on page 4 of the Coronado Police Department PowerPoint presentation at the PC in Sep, 2011), they determined that it was in fact an accident, and Dina and her experts provided no new/additional evidence to disprove their initial findings. Their decision not to reopen the case has nothing to do with their not having a full-time homicide division. All of the LEOs at CPD have had extensive training in all aspects of LE, including homicides.

 

[K_Z]

Coronado police do not have a homicide unit so it isn't surprising that the request to investigate Max's death was turned down. That said, Dr. Wecht had absolutely nothing to do with the request.

The topic is RZ's suicide not Max's death. Dr. Wecht, offered only an opinion about RZ's death and apparently the so-called "expert" didn't impress LE. He certainly doesn't impress me, either.


JMO

BBM.

Dr. Wecht, btw, did offer an opinion on Max's death, on his most recent Dr.Phil apperance. He felt (paraphrasing) that the evidence of Max's rambunctious indoor play with soccer balls and scooter was evidence that contributed to the finding of accidental fall.

Even with all of the missteps/ mistakes the CPD had made in investigating both these cases, I do not for a minute believe that if compelling evidence of assault or homicide of Max had been brought to them by Dina and her paid experts, that they would have ignored it, SIMPLY because they have no official “homicide unit.”

CPD has said on many occasions that they have a collaboration agreement with SDSO in cases of homicide. If, for example, Dina had “discovered and disclosed” direct evidence, something like a cell phone video of the events immediately preceding Max’s fall, I do believe that CPD would have seriously examined that evidence, asked for help from collaborating agencies, and possibly reopened Max’s investigation.

But what she did bring to them was not any kind of “real” evidence. What she paid for, and brought to CPD, was all pure opinion, from the “many” interviews she engaged in with Dr. Melinek, the memory books, to the highly speculative ideas (fantasies, imo) about assault she paid Drs. Melinek, and then Bove to flesh out in their “what if” reports, to the hateful commentary/ opinions on an obscure and sparsely populated anonymous, non-professional internet forum, Wikipedia, and People Magazine. Opinion is not evidence.Opinion is not even circumstantial evidence. Saying ANYthing on a forum or blog does not “make it so”, lol!

The case was not reopened, imo, because there was no new evidence, nor any evidence of impropriety in the investigation of Max’s death. It had absolutely nothing to do with CPD “not having a homicide unit.”

However, there WAS clearly impropriety and undue influence in the investigation of Rebecca’s death. So there is still a slim possibility that her death investigation may be reopened (or has been quietly reopened) by the California AG office.

 

[Inparadise]

BBM.

Dr. Wecht, btw, did offer an opinion on Max's death, on his most recent Dr.Phil apperance. He felt (paraphrasing) that the evidence of Max's rambunctious indoor play with soccer balls and scooter was evidence that contributed to the finding of accidental fall.

Even with all of the missteps/ mistakes the CPD had made in investigating both these cases, I do not for a minute believe that if compelling evidence of assault or homicide of Max had been brought to them by Dina and her paid experts, that they would have ignored it, SIMPLY because they have no official “homicide unit.”

CPD has said on many occasions that they have a collaboration agreement with SDSO in cases of homicide. If, for example, Dina had “discovered and disclosed” direct evidence, something like a cell phone video of the events immediately preceding Max’s fall, I do believe that CPD would have seriously examined that evidence, asked for help from collaborating agencies, and possibly reopened Max’s investigation.

But what she did bring to them was not any kind of “real” evidence. What she paid for, and brought to CPD, was all pure opinion, from the “many” interviews she engaged in with Dr. Melinek, the memory books, to the highly speculative ideas (fantasies, imo) about assault she paid Drs. Melinek, and then Bove to flesh out in their “what if” reports, to the hateful commentary/ opinions on an obscure and sparsely populated anonymous, non-professional internet forum, Wikipedia, and People Magazine. Opinion is not evidence.Opinion is not even circumstantial evidence. Saying ANYthing on a forum or blog does not “make it so”, lol!

The case was not reopened, imo, because there was no new evidence, nor any evidence of impropriety in the investigation of Max’s death. It had absolutely nothing to do with CPD “not having a homicide unit.”

However, there WAS clearly impropriety and undue influence in the investigation of Rebecca’s death. So there is still a slim possibility that her death investigation may be reopened (or has been quietly reopened) by the California AG office.

KZ, thank you for your post.....most of us agree with you, <modsnip>

 

[MyBelle]

BBM.

Dr. Wecht, btw, did offer an opinion on Max's death, on his most recent Dr.Phil apperance. He felt (paraphrasing) that the evidence of Max's rambunctious indoor play with soccer balls and scooter was evidence that contributed to the finding of accidental fall.

Even with all of the missteps/ mistakes the CPD had made in investigating both these cases, I do not for a minute believe that if compelling evidence of assault or homicide of Max had been brought to them by Dina and her paid experts, that they would have ignored it, SIMPLY because they have no official “homicide unit.”

CPD has said on many occasions that they have a collaboration agreement with SDSO in cases of homicide. If, for example, Dina had “discovered and disclosed” direct evidence, something like a cell phone video of the events immediately preceding Max’s fall, I do believe that CPD would have seriously examined that evidence, asked for help from collaborating agencies, and possibly reopened Max’s investigation.

But what she did bring to them was not any kind of “real” evidence. What she paid for, and brought to CPD, was all pure opinion, from the “many” interviews she engaged in with Dr. Melinek, the memory books, to the highly speculative ideas (fantasies, imo) about assault she paid Drs. Melinek, and then Bove to flesh out in their “what if” reports, to the hateful commentary/ opinions on an obscure and sparsely populated anonymous, non-professional internet forum, Wikipedia, and People Magazine. Opinion is not evidence.Opinion is not even circumstantial evidence. Saying ANYthing on a forum or blog does not “make it so”, lol!

The case was not reopened, imo, because there was no new evidence, nor any evidence of impropriety in the investigation of Max’s death. It had absolutely nothing to do with CPD “not having a homicide unit.”

However, there WAS clearly impropriety and undue influence in the investigation of Rebecca’s death. So there is still a slim possibility that her death investigation may be reopened (or has been quietly reopened) by the California AG office.

With all due respect, it is only your opinion that there was impropriety and undue influence in Rebecca's death. The multiple law enforcement agencies involved do not agree with you and neither do I. They are the experts. However, none of them investigated Max's death as a homicide. I believe they do respect Dr. Melinek as an expert and an investigation is now underway. You apparently wish that won't happen and prefer to continue the lame denigration of the expert trying to bring the child justice. Sobeit.

Dr. Wecht has offered an expert opinion in only RZ's case. He has never provided an expert opinion about Max's death. His appearance on some daytime tv show isn't evidence of anything at all other than his zeal for self-serving publicity to those who are anti law enforcement.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

The Coronado police turned down the request because through the course of their investigation, which included assistance from SDSO (as documented on page 4 of the Coronado Police Department PowerPoint presentation at the PC in Sep, 2011), they determined that it was in fact an accident, and Dina and her experts provided no new/additional evidence to disprove their initial findings. Their decision not to reopen the case has nothing to do with their not having a full-time homicide division. All of the LEOs at CPD have had extensive training in all aspects of LE, including homicides.

The SDSO did NOT assist Coronado in the investigation of Max's death. They made that clear at the press conference and it's clear in media articles the only homicide investigation was into Rebecca's death. Coronado's decision not to reopen Max's death investigation as a homicide investigation does fit the narrow parameters to get the AG's office involved, imo.

Coronado police don't have a full-time homicide unit and routinely call on the Sheriff's Department in matters such as this one, Coronado police spokeswoman Lea Corbin said.

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/business/a...s-death-reported-san-diego.html#ixzz2EwULqWyP