Reasons why you think it could be suicide

[MaybeNotToday]

Whatnot = gag in mouth, blood on carpet/legs/finger/shower/vagina, clump of hair in shower, contusions on top of head, abrasions on back, discarded underwear in trashcan, paint on nipples, adhesive on legs, painted message on door, overturned chair, knives on floor, screams for help heard by neighbors?

Some if those things not confirmed as being related to the suicide. But yes, I agree - it was definitely an elaborate death regardless.

 

[Betty P]

I don't agree with you, but thank you for your answer.

This is a lot of staging after the 12:30 phone call until her estimated time of death per SDLE:

1. Going to the garage to get the rope
2. Getting the gloves and paint
3. Painting message on the door
4. Setting up and tying elaborate and perfectly measured hanging system with the rope
5. Tying her ankles
6. Wrapping her neck with the tee shirt and stuffing it in her mouth
7. Tying her hands
8. Knocking over the wicker chair
9. Turning the light off
10. Carefully tip-toeing across the carpet without leaving dirt from her feet
11. Leaving one small footprint on the balcony and disturbing only inches of dust on the rail when she flipped herself over it.

This list excludes any time it would have taken her to think and plan this out. By contrast, a murderer had two days to pre-meditate this scenario.

A re-enactment should have been done of all the things that SDLE claimed RZ did to to set up her suicide AND stage it to look like a murder.

IMO

Good points. I've also considered that a murderer may have been fantasizing about RZ's murder long before MS's accident. Once the boy's accident happened, it was just a matter of choosing which murder scenario to use, then adding details related to MS's death.

 

[MyBelle]

It makes the suicide conclusion make more sense IMO with all that binding and whatnot.

It also makes more sense when you factor in Ms. Bremner's revelations about bondage being accessed on the home computer the day prior.

http://www.760kfmb.com/story/16083634/zahau-attorney-bondage-🤬🤬🤬🤬-found-on-coronado-mansion-computer

In a phone interview with News 8, Bremner later confirmed that more than a dozen searches of sexual content – using terms like "raped, sexy Asian girls, and bondage anime" – were accessed on a computer the day before Zahau's death.

"It's important to the investigation because there is an image from anime, and its called bond anime and it shows an Asian women bound; at least her hands are bound behind her back," said the Seattle-based attorney.


JMO

 

[kittychi]

It also makes more sense when you factor in Ms. Bremner's revelations about bondage being accessed on the home computer the day prior.

http://www.760kfmb.com/story/16083634/zahau-attorney-bondage-🤬🤬🤬🤬-found-on-coronado-mansion-computer

[snipped for brevity]

JMO

BBM: Are you saying that the Asian bondage searches were performed by Rebecca as part of a staging and framing for murder plan?

 

[Betty P]

It also makes more sense when you factor in Ms. Bremner's revelations about bondage being accessed on the home computer the day prior.

http://www.760kfmb.com/story/16083634/zahau-attorney-bondage-🤬🤬🤬🤬-found-on-coronado-mansion-computer

In a phone interview with News 8, Bremner later confirmed that more than a dozen searches of sexual content – using terms like "raped, sexy Asian girls, and bondage anime" – were accessed on a computer the day before Zahau's death.

"It's important to the investigation because there is an image from anime, and its called bond anime and it shows an Asian women bound; at least her hands are bound behind her back," said the Seattle-based attorney.


JMO

Actually, it's only logical from the POV of a murderer.

A distraught person contemplating suicide doesn't tightly bind up their feet and hands before staging a crime scene, painting a message on the door and jumping over a balcony while barely touching it, all in the nude.

They also don't tape their legs and inflict defensive wounds on their hand, nor do they bash themselves in the head four times.

Since RZ was attacked while taking a shower, it seems likely someone was already in the house, viewing on her computer before surprising her in the shower.

It will be interesting to see all the evidence at the WD trial to discover which parties had a history of viewing online and which ones didn't. Assume that's why RZ's computer has never been returned to her.

BTW, all the recent revelations about NSA and FBI's gathering of mass metafiles on everyone's phone calls, emails and computer files is very interesting. Most of the data collection began in 2007, and has been stored at the NSA and FBI. Since this crime took place in 2011, we now know the attorneys can ask the FBI to retrieve all phone call data, texts, emails, computer searches, etc. for the parties involved in these cases. They have the data.

Link to recent article about PRISM and its use by FBI and NSA

http://www.thestar.com/opinion/comm...tizens_roll_back_silent_army_of_watchers.html

All of the US telecoms have admitted they allowed the government to create back doors into their data systems so they can download all data and recordings of phone calls, texts, etc. for US users. Same with internet search engines, etc. They've been retrieving and saving all of it since around 2008.

 

[MyBelle]

Actually, it's only logical from the POV of a murderer.

A distraught person contemplating suicide doesn't tightly bind up their feet and hands before staging a crime scene, painting a message on the door and jumping over a balcony while barely touching it, all in the nude.

They also don't tape their legs and inflict defensive wounds on their hand, nor do they bash themselves in the head four times.

Since RZ was attacked while taking a shower, it seems likely someone was already in the house, viewing on her computer before surprising her in the shower.

It will be interesting to see all the evidence at the WD trial to discover which parties had a history of viewing online and which ones didn't. Assume that's why RZ's computer has never been returned to her.

BTW, all the recent revelations about NSA and FBI's gathering of mass metafiles on everyone's phone calls, emails and computer files is very interesting. Most of the data collection began in 2007, and has been stored at the NSA and FBI. Since this crime took place in 2011, we now know the attorneys can ask the FBI to retrieve all phone call data, texts, emails, computer searches, etc. for the parties involved in these cases. They have the data.

You are citing quite a few facts without providing links. I've seen nothing that RZ was attacked while taking a shower or anywhere else.

I'm not an expert of what a distraught person does when contemplating suicide but I've also seen no evidence RZ was distraught. In fact, her sister has repeatedly said she was not distraught.

It isn't a crime to view adult online in the privacy of one's home just as it is not a crime to create the that was viewed.

JMO

 

[Betty P]

You are citing quite a few facts without providing links. I've seen nothing that RZ was attacked while taking a shower or anywhere else.

I'm not an expert of what a distraught person does when contemplating suicide but I've also seen no evidence RZ was distraught. In fact, her sister has repeatedly said she was not distraught.

It isn't a crime to view adult online in the privacy of one's home just as it is not a crime to create the that was viewed.

JMO

Here's a link to another article about PRISM and the FBI.

http://www.businessinsider.com/prism-spying-program-nsa-fbi-mine-data-yahoo-facebook-google-2013-6

If you want, do a Google search of FBI and PRISM and you'll find a great deal of information about the program.

Evidence related to computer searches for online may not be illegal on their own, but as part of an investigation into a suspicious death, they absolutely should be examined and could be used as evidence to build a murder case. In fact, once SDSO found that information on RZ's computer, given the circumstances of her death, they should have subpoenaed the texts, calls, hard drive and internet search records of all computers and phones of the parties who had seen RZ in the last 24-48 hours.

While SDSO may have neglected to do that, the evidence can still be retrieved. The State AG's office could probably ask for it.

 

[MyBelle]

Here's a link to another article about PRISM and the FBI.

http://www.businessinsider.com/prism-spying-program-nsa-fbi-mine-data-yahoo-facebook-google-2013-6

If you want, do a Google search of FBI and PRISM and you'll find a great deal of information about the program.

Evidence related to computer searches for online may not be illegal on their own, but as part of an investigation into a suspicious death, they absolutely should be examined and could be used as evidence to build a murder case. In fact, once SDSO found that information on RZ's computer, given the circumstances of her death, they should have subpoenaed the texts, calls, hard drive and internet search records of all computers and phones of the parties who had seen RZ in the last 24-48 hours.

While SDSO may have neglected to do that, the evidence can still be retrieved. The State AG's office could probably ask for it.

Thanks but I don't wish to waste time looking at links that have no bearing to this case.

The computers were investigated, according to Bremner. The information fits with a suicide scenario.

JMO

 

[screecher]

Thanks but I don't wish to waste time looking at links that have no bearing to this case.

The computers were investigated, according to Bremner. The information fits with a suicide scenario.

JMO

BBM

Bwahahaha :floorlaugh:

Those little 7 words sounds too much akin to some other posts here!

Yeah, so I hope Rebecca's WDS gets her family the answers that weren't provided.

No bearing on this case? Of course it has bearing.
Why wouldn't you check out the link, and on the flip side, insist on links for many posts stating something that does not have a link?

 

[Betty P]

Thanks but I don't wish to waste time looking at links that have no bearing to this case.

The computers were investigated, according to Bremner. The information fits with a suicide scenario.

JMO

Not all of the relevant computers and internet searches were investigated, nor were the relevant phone and data records.

Not all of the information that was gathered was given to the family. RZ's phone and computer were not returned to them. This is the evidence that hasn't been revealed, but will be.

On the joking side, wouldn't it be great to get a hacker to investigate this case? All that info is still out there...

 

[MaybeNotToday]

Not all of the relevant computers and internet searches were investigated, nor were the relevant phone and data records.

Not all of the information that was gathered was given to the family. RZ's phone and computer were not returned to them. This is the evidence that hasn't been revealed, but will be.

On the joking side, wouldn't it be great to get a hacker to investigate this case? All that info is still out there...

Would this evidence retrieved by hacking even be admissible?

 

[MyBelle]

Not all of the relevant computers and internet searches were investigated, nor were the relevant phone and data records.

Not all of the information that was gathered was given to the family. RZ's phone and computer were not returned to them. This is the evidence that hasn't been revealed, but will be.

On the joking side, wouldn't it be great to get a hacker to investigate this case? All that info is still out there...

BBM. That is not an established fact, it is merely your opinion. The case is now closed. We can't create our own set of facts and neither can the Zahou attorneys. The SDSD made a public statement that if there is new evidence they will review it. If a hacker turns it up, it should be turned over.

Perhaps RZ's phone and computer were not returned to the family because they were not owned by RZ but by Jonah and the SDSD can't dictate what he does with his property.

JMO

 

[MaybeNotToday]

BBM. That is not an established fact, it is merely your opinion. The case is now closed. We can't create our own set of facts and neither can the Zahou attorneys. The SDSD made a public statement that if there is new evidence they will review it. If a hacker turns it up, it should be turned over.

Perhaps RZ's phone and computer were not returned to the family because they were not owned by RZ but by Jonah and the SDSD can't dictate what he does with his property.

JMO

See, that's what I don't understand. If they have some secret evidence of a crime shouldn't it be turned over to authorities rather than hold onto it for a civil case?

 

[screecher]

BBM. Rady is not owned by taxpayers, it is owned by an organization. A hospital can bar anyone at anytime. I'm not aware of any posters who have suggested RZ was barred from the entire hospital so it really is a moot point.

JMO

BBM

Link?

And what would that organization be named?

There are other facilities that work/merged with Rady over the years. Rady is a research facility, teaching facility and classified as a trauma facility. Rady receives monies from both federal and state gov. As I posted earlier, those monies Rady receives makes them a public facility.

 

[screecher]

BBM. That is not an established fact, it is merely your opinion. The case is now closed. We can't create our own set of facts and neither can the Zahou attorneys. The SDSD made a public statement that if there is new evidence they will review it. If a hacker turns it up, it should be turned over.

Perhaps RZ's phone and computer were not returned to the family because they were not owned by RZ but by Jonah and the SDSD can't dictate what he does with his property.

JMO

BBM

Ah, but it IS an established fact. Remember that all-important voice mail that couldn't be retrieved?

 

[screecher]

Not all of the relevant computers and internet searches were investigated, nor were the relevant phone and data records.

Not all of the information that was gathered was given to the family. RZ's phone and computer were not returned to them. This is the evidence that hasn't been revealed, but will be.

On the joking side, wouldn't it be great to get a hacker to investigate this case? All that info is still out there...

I wonder if Rebecca's camera was returned to her family. Also, I remember seeing what looked like a painting (it looked to be square) wrapped in paper..Rebecca's painting?

WOW. So many things not returned.

 

[MyBelle]

BBM

Link?

And what would that organization be named?

There are other facilities that work/merged with Rady over the years. Rady is a research facility, teaching facility and classified as a trauma facility. Rady receives monies from both federal and state gov. As I posted earlier, those monies Rady receives makes them a public facility.

Rady is not owned by the public taxpayers. Rady also raises its own money through donations to its foundation.


http://www.rchsd.org/aboutus/whoweare/index.htm#.UlH4nhBfc9s

Rady Children's Hospital-San Diego is a nonprofit, 475-bed pediatric-care facility dedicated to excellence in care, research and teaching:

 

[Betty P]

BBM

Link?

And what would that organization be named?

There are other facilities that work/merged with Rady over the years. Rady is a research facility, teaching facility and classified as a trauma facility. Rady receives monies from both federal and state gov. As I posted earlier, those monies Rady receives makes them a public facility.

http://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/951691313

I'm not an expert in this area, but I don't think the hospital could ban anyone from the hospital facility itself unless they presented a public threat or something. Hospitals do restrict visitors, IIRC, in areas like ICU, etc.

An interesting story - a couple of years ago, my son caught a ride with a friend to a party. After getting there, he didn't like it, there were people doing drugs, etc. His cell phone was also dead. He left and walked about 20 blocks in a sketchy urban area to the local hospital mega complex. This was about 1 am. He was able to go inside, get something to eat at their fast food restaurant and used the pay phone to call home. We told him where to look for the bus stop and he took the bus home. This hospital is also a non-profit like Rady.

 

[MyBelle]

BBM

Ah, but it IS an established fact. Remember that all-important voice mail that couldn't be retrieved?

What about it needs examination and why is it relevant now? Why wouldn't Jonah inform RZ of Max's grave condition?

http://www.760kfmb.com/story/154850...hone-calls-to-rebecca-zahau?clienttype=mobile

"We know from the investigation that (voicemail) message that was left on her phone was to inform Rebecca of Maxie's grave condition and imminent death," said San Diego County Sheriff's Sgt. Dave Nemeth at a news conference earlier this month.

Zahau's sister, Mary Zahau-Loehner, said detectives told her that Jonah Shacknai left the voicemail on Rebecca's phone around 12:30 a.m. on the morning of her death.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I still continue to believe that Rebecca's death was a planned suicide to look like a murder.

I see a lot of anger coming from RZ on how she carried this out. She was hoping someone would be blamed and arrested for murder. I have my opinion on who she was hoping would be blamed but I will not comment on those opinions at this time.

If she had really been murdered the murderer would have made it look like a typical suicide. She is the one that tried to make it look like a murder.

I think someone threatened Rebecca before she decided to off herself and told her she was going to pay for what was done to Max. I think someone outright accused her of injurying Max and it is this person she tried to frame for murder.

Maybe the person was right. Max's death has never made any sense to me. Maybe RZ did fear being arrested so this is the route she decided to take and if she could blame someone else for her death it would take the suspicion off of Max's death and on her.

In a way I wish the police would release what information they have. They said they would come out with all the truth if Rebecca's family kept promoting untruths in the media. Imo, they know a hellavu lot more about RZ than we ever will. Once the police threatened to do this.....the family more or less went silent. So there are things they don't want known about her, imo.

JMO