Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #2

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  • #521
then that long cord/rope wouldn't be trailing from her. it wouldn't be close to her at all. It would still be hanging from the balcony. He HAD to go upstairs to cut her down...if she were actually ever hanging from it. I don't like the way her knees are bent. If she had been hanging for awhile they'd be straight. imo

The long cord is coming from her arms. Was reported by media sources other than LE apparently, that her hands were tied with electrical cord. That cords doesn't lead to her neck.

Knees bent when Adam picked her up and laid her on the grass. No way to be in full rigor yet.
 
  • #522
It doesn't make any difference to me but some seem to think she was hogtied. I don't think she was and the police have said she wasn't.

It certainly would make a difference to me though fi she had been because if she was hogtied there is no way she could do that to herself. She wouldn't be able to bind both her feet and wrists together. If hogtied that would point more to a homicide and completely away from a suicide.

That is much different than being able to bind up the feet first and then the wrists and maneuver them behind her back.

IMO


Early reports on thread one stated that Adam laid her face down on the grass after cutting her down. I thought that was incredibly callous and suspicious. Then we SAW the photos taken from the helicopter where she is face up obviously ....possibly after the medics rolled her over. It would make sense that Adam laid her face down, if she had been hog tied, it would also explain the bent legs.

* I know LE denied she was hog tied during the presser....just not so sure that's actually accurate. imo
 
  • #523
The long cord is coming from her arms. Was reported by media sources other than LE apparently, that her hands were tied with electrical cord. That cords doesn't lead to her neck.

Knees bent when Adam picked her up and laid her on the grass. No way to be in full rigor yet.

I don't think so, because the cord appears to be really long. Why would she bind her arms with a cord that long?
 
  • #524
Why is nothing left from where she hung?

It's possible that he couldn't reach the rope above her head to cut her down while standing on the ground and had to go upstairs and cut it from the balcony...or maybe he is the one who stood upon the table to cut her down and the additional cording had been removed by LE pulling it back up into the bedroom and dislodging it from whatever it was attached. (My father made a rope ladder which as a child, in case of fire I was to place the end loop under the leg of my bed to hold the rope ladder as I climbed out my bedroom 2nd story window...I'm thankful we never had a fire...)
 
  • #525
She talked to her sister around midnight right and then the loud music was heard about 1 am? So lets say it happened sometime after then and before 6:45 am.... I don't think full rigor sets in .......in that time frame does it? 7 hours?

I have a feeling if the medics worked on her then they did not see any signs of rigor so I think they turned her upper body and face as much as they could with her arms and hands behind her back stopping them from rolling her over on her back and that is why she is in the crooked position she was in.

IMO

IMO she was in rigor. There is no evidence she was worked on at all. They couldn't do cpr in the position she was in nor was she bagged.
 
  • #526
IMO she was in rigor. There is no evidence she was worked on at all. They couldn't do cpr in the position she was in nor was she bagged.

Yes, I'd think if medics did CPR on her, they would have first cut the cord that kept her arms behind her back. She probably was long dead before any medics arrived.
 
  • #527
And yep, many men from the south have a swiss army knife or other sharp knife nearby. My husband could/can cut through something instantly if necessary. It is what it is. I've been ever thankful when my DH has had his sharp tool out in the woods to open a bottle of wine for me.

OT, Jon Bon Jovi is on Letterman right now, does this guy ever age or not ever get worst looking?
 
  • #528
Where is Casey????:crazy::crazy:
 
  • #529
IMO the only reason her arms are still behind her back in the photos is because they knew she was beyond ever reviving. If there was even the slightest chance she could be revived her arms wouldn't still be behind her back.
 
  • #530
Everyone in my husbands family carry's a pocket knife. Brother in law had to borrow one from someone and they have teased him for years about his 'desk' knife because that is where he had left his. You don't get caught without one if you are a guy in that family. I carry one also and so does youngest DD.
 
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Just heard of this very strange case, what is the general consensus, murder or suicide?

What about the boy?
 
  • #533
If reported loud music didn't attract anyone's attention, why would dog's barking?

Was the music confirmed by multiple sources? I was thinking it was reported that only one, unnamed neighbor spoke about the late night or early morning the music...Have others also confirmed this? If there was indeed loud music that night and early morning, how long did it last? It's possible it was turned on by someone else only for a short time or even after her death by someone else...Do we have any time frame for how long there was loud music and when???
 
  • #534
A few points on EMS protocol from "newbie" Sandrine who loves all the sharp thinking here! Rescuers can not enter scene until scene is "safe" so if there is ANY question as to whether a hazard might exist at the scene (criminal lurking, biohazard...) EMS responders enter only after the police or fire have cleared the scene.
Also, EMS crews trained to leave evidence in place if at all possible. The pic shows me a medic either putting away or getting out gear. "In distress" would indicate possibility of respiratory distress or even cardiac arrest, not necessarily any hope of being resuscitated. Noose probably no longer restricting her airway/breathing or had been loosened.
She had every reason to commit suicide. A beloved child died on her watch. Simple. But the bindings? The nudity? Not clear.
Family telling a reporter all was well, standard. It's like they aren't going to give anything away when they don't know themselves how she died and may not want to believe by her own hand and don't want the media to make the case. Also, Asian families are very private.
The only real anomaly I see here is that she was bound. Even that she was naked might be explained by time of day-- if she'd gone to bed naked or she had just taken off nightgown and been seized by the compulsion to suicide, unable to resist for one more moment that impulse which had overtaken her as soon as she discovered the little boy's traumatic accident.
Attempting to kennel the dog make sense if she was feeling she might harm herself.
PS
Loved the comment re: possibly symbolism of the nudity and violent manner of death -- I had intuitively felt had something to do with "naked shame" but did not know there was a tradition tie-in.
 
  • #535
who cares? as long as she's not babysitting

LOL.. I wasn't serious.... was just poking fun at her...

U know.. this man is a gazillionaire!! Maybe this is the man that KC wanted to she went there to delete his family so she could have him.. and she didn't want to share ....:crazy:
 
  • #536
Just looped around one of the railings and then loop it around her neck. Electrical cord is very strong. The wires inside of the cord are tightly twisted like a cable. LOL Since I am from the south and have seen just about everything ......I have seen guys use electrical cords they have in their trucks to pull another vehicle that had broken down. It isn't something that would easily snap at all.

IMO

Which is why I am having a hard time reckoning that somebody could slice through the cord with a puny pocket knife. jmo
 
  • #537
Which is why I am having a hard time reckoning that somebody could slice through the cord with a puny pocket knife. jmo

Exactly what I was saying in my last post. What did he cut her down with? If it is that thick electrical cord, it is not only hard to cut, but I would imagine nearly impossible to bind oneself with. It would take a strong person with two hands to do that....IMO.
 
  • #538
Exactly what I was saying in my last post. What did he cut her down with? If it is that thick electrical cord, it is not only hard to cut, but I would imagine nearly impossible to bind oneself with. It would take a strong person with two hands to do that....IMO.

My understanding is that she was binded with cord, but suspended with rope.
 
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  • #540
so they say........

so where is the rope? :waitasec:

I don't know Linda. The officer in the press conference said he didn't want to disclose what type of material she was binded with but said she was suspended by rope. The media mentioned the electrical cord.
 
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