Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #7

[justice be served]

I had to find the origins of the AEA theory...........lol....... its from a tv show. Although a plausible theory the probability is extremely low based on the circumstances and setting.

I do see the relevance in the scarf in that it is used to protect the neck from abrasion as such. Which gives two purposes that would not have been used in a self inflected suicide.

That scarf was used for either a gag or abrasion protection both being actions taken by a second party.

Inobu

Because the scarf looked to be tied over her hair further cements for me that the placement of the scarf was by others.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I'm going to use humor to answer the question but prove a point.

Ask the orange cord...............

When you drag a 15 foot cord the end follows showing you the direction for which it traveled.

Based on the image. The balcony was to the upper left of the body the guest house was to the right. That orange cord trails to the right of the body point to the direction of the guest house.

Inobu

Was the guest house inside the compund of the main courtyard area?

Has LE said it was a 15 ft. extension cord? :waitasec:

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Because the scarf looked to be tied over her hair further cements for me that the placement of the scarf was by others.

Why is that? Couldn't she have done it so her hair wouldn't obstruct her view as she was preparing to do this if it was indeed a suicide?

IMO

 

[jjenny]

Why is that? Couldn't she have done it so her hair wouldn't obstruct her view as she was preparing to do this if it was indeed a suicide?

IMO

View of what? Women generally don't put scarfs around their necks over their hair. That's assuming it was a scarf and not some neck restrain device paramedics tried to put on her before they figured out she was dead.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

View of what? Women generally don't put scarfs around their necks over their hair. That's assuming it was a scarf and not some neck restrain device paramedics tried to put on her before they figured out she was dead.

The view she would need to bind her feet and hands once the rope had been attached to the scarf? Women with long hair are always pushing their hair back away from their face, imo.

I know women don't put scarfs over their hair but how do we know what a person who may be suicidal will do?

 

[time]

Interesting article http://www.10news.com/news/28664921/detail.html

"10News found that officers were called to Shacknai's home at least eight times between July 2008 and July 2011 for things such as burglary and vandalism.

During those same three years, police showed up to Dina's home five times for noise disturbances, alarms and a suspicious vehicle."

13 times/3 years for part time residents seems like a lot!?

(sorry, I originally thought this was about the AZ calls to their home) From what has been reported about domestic abuse, this was going on for a long time. At least 2006-2009 that we know of.

She told police she was attacked by her husband’s German shepherd, just as she had been several times in the past. She gave police photos from 2006 showing cuts to her arms and knees, from incidents where Dina claimed the dog bit her because the dog is “very sensitive to changes in voice tone and body language and any tense exchange with Jonah may result in an attack response.”

In January 2009, Dina Shacknai accused her husband of elbowing her in the breast. Shacknai told police he was trying to "nudge" her out of his car because she had reached for the ignition and tried to grab the steering wheel as he attempted to drive away. He also claimed he had been assaulted "several times" by his wife.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/coronado-m...ves-zahaus-personal-trainer/story?id=14124073

 

[Inobu]

Was the guest house inside the compund of the main courtyard area?

Has LE said it was a 15 ft. extension cord? :waitasec:

IMO

LOL,

You don't like anything I say huh. LOL its ok.

The guest house makes up the back of the courtyard and you can estimate the length of the cord. Those cord typically run in 25' 50' and 100' I'm just guessing 15' based on her size and the number of time the cord can be wrapped around the hands and feet. 15' minimum.

Inobu

 

[Inobu]

Because the scarf looked to be tied over her hair further cements for me that the placement of the scarf was by others.

If it was over the hair then one can assume it was placed hap hazard which would indicate gag.

Inobu

 

[time]

<snipped>

DS, imho, had the most to lose in this scenario. She only has one child. Her child is critically injured and perhaps already brain dead at this time. The woman who she sees as responsible for the break up of her marriage (although I think it was over long before JS met RZ), is now who she sees as being the one responsible for her sons accident. (Whether she was or not actually responsible). I am sure there was also guilt involved, as she could not be found for a time and that she was probably quite content to have Rebecca in charge of watching Max at times. She also stood to lose monetary security, (as curiousjo brought up), which was probably much lower on her scale of importance than Max, but must have added to her stress.

JS, a man of power, who always, even if he had to fight for it, gets his way. This has been true in business and in his personal life. He had been married twice, who knows when he met DS or if he was still married to ex wife #1 at the time. If something or someone is in his way, eliminate the problem. If he felt that Rebecca was responsible for Max's accident, I think he would have acted, perhaps violently, before he even took time to think it out. I think that if DS was emotionally distraught, he may have gone to the house, to talk to Rebecca to get more details aboit the accident. Either that, or when he found out Max was brain dead, he may have snapped. I think JS had the opportunity and the means, being stronger than Rebecca.

BBM - I think this is most likely some key circumstances. DS is probably not going to have any more children now either because of age even though I guess it is possible. Perhaps that makes Max's death even more devastating if that is possible.

Per my post above, the domestic violence had been going on for years between DS and JS, starting by 2006 at the least. That's not a rough patch in one's marriage. Even if two people don't get along well, it's not normal to engage physically like this and have these claims made to police about one spouse is out to destroy the other, that one filed "false and misleading reports." that one choked the other, and so on.

If the domestic violence started in 2006 or before, then Max was only about a year or two old and this went on for a significant portion of his life. How could anyone think Rebecca was not an adequate caretaker when his parents created such an environment. But back to the point, how does this dynamic play out after a child ends up dead.

 

[time]

View of what? Women generally don't put scarfs around their necks over their hair. That's assuming it was a scarf and not some neck restrain device paramedics tried to put on her before they figured out she was dead.

No way she would put a scarf over her hair and then hang hersef, but I don't believe this was a suicide. It's already too much to think she did all this to commit suicide, having to further accommodate Rebecca tying the scarf over her own hair into that theory just makes it all the more improbably - like on the minus scale at this point.

Also, the pictures make it look like it is too tight around her neck to have slipped.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

LOL,

You don't like anything I say huh. LOL its ok.

The guest house makes up the back of the courtyard and you can estimate the length of the cord. Those cord typically run in 25' 50' and 100' I'm just guessing 15' based on her size and the number of time the cord can be wrapped around the hands and feet. 15' minimum.

Inobu

I don't know what you mean when you say "You don't like anything I say huh'

If I didn't like anything you said I wouldn't be asking you questions.:waitasec:

All I was asking was the guest house also enclosed in the high fenced backyard area where Rebecca was found.


IMO

 

[Inobu]

No way she would put a scarf over her hair and then hang hersef, but I don't believe this was a suicide. It's already too much to think she did all this to commit suicide, having to further accommodate Rebecca tying the scarf over her own hair into that theory just makes it all the more improbably - like on the minus scale at this point.

Also, the pictures make it look like it is too tight around her neck to have slipped.

Time,

You and JJ's conversation starts to hit on key point that may be information that LE already knows but can answer our over all question.

For example. If that scarf or what ever it is has RN's saliva and abrasions on the edges if the lips it is not s suicide. It was used a a gag and leads the case into a whole new direction.

There are so many little factors that LE may have seen that we cannot which places them in the current scenario. I think/hope they need a few more pieces and that is the gating issue.

Inobu

 

[SunnieRN]

Inobu, I think LE has already made their decision and are awaiting the tox results to either cement or refute their theory.

There was a reason the evidence that was removed from the house, was removed. I think the re-opening of the investigation of Maxies accident also means something.

As for Time's statement about the domestic violence that Maxie grew up with, you can't hide that many altercations from your child, let alone police visits etc.

I have a feeling that Maxie may have been more relaxed after his parents divorced.

I wonder when DS started her relationship with her current boyfriend? Is it possible that some of the 2009 calls included calls concerning altercations between she and her boyfriend? I have had many friends, who got involved in relationships that were physically violent, but that never had been before or in later relationships.

If all the problems were between JS and DS, as they were between JS and his first wife, DS may only have been defending herself? Not sure about this, of course, but JS seems to have been 'physical' with both of his ex's.

Anyway, all imoo, etc, etc, etc.

 

[IWannaKnow]

Of course, the scarf could have been used to strangle Rebecca [provided it was not from the EMT's]. Certainly would have made it easier to tie her up and then hang her from the balcony. Especially if you were another woman who snuck up on her as she slept in the nude......

I can't help but note that the scarf is approximately the same color as the eye shadow Rebecca seemed to favor. Maybe she simply liked that color in alot of different things but I can see that as a snarky thing to do to someone, along with stringing them up outside the house naked. I see alot of rage in that act and something only a woman would think of.....or take exception to [blue eyeshadow]. :twocents:

THEORY:
Sometime during the night a person snuck into the house, strangled RN with said scarf, tied her up with the electrical cord, and heaved her off the balcony. AS gets up to go to the bathroom in the morning [or a drink of water...whatever] and sees RN hanging, drags table over, cuts her down......you know the rest of the story.

:cow:

 

[deanna82437]

This probably has no connection with the current threads, but has been gnawing at my brain for several weeks. Has anyone seen or heard any info that Max may have been autistic? Or has this been discussed in earlier threads? I've briefly looked but not found anything concrete but it seems I've read somewhere that they (DS and JS) were both involved in some charitable foundations involving autistic children.

The only reason I ask is because it MAY have been a reason/cause for some of the earlier marital problems between DS and JS. I have no idea if it could have contributed to, or been a factor in his "accident" .. or Rebecca's "suicide" or "homicide."

Thanks and I just cannot believe all of the unanswered facts in this case. But, then again, seeing the individuals involved, I guess I can.

Just MOO and throwing it out there. Also, it is so strange why the tox reports are taking so long !!

 

[time]

:banghead:

Time,

You and JJ's conversation starts to hit on key point that may be information that LE already knows but can answer our over all question.

For example. If that scarf or what ever it is has RN's saliva and abrasions on the edges if the lips it is not s suicide. It was used a a gag and leads the case into a whole new direction.

There are so many little factors that LE may have seen that we cannot which places them in the current scenario. I think/hope they need a few more pieces and that is the gating issue.

Inobu

Good thinking ab out forensic evidence. We are going on very little and forensics might certainly point immediately in some direction. The scarf could have very well been used to gag, blindfold, or strangle/disable her. Pictures can be deceiving, I just don't think the scarf was slipped down from a former position given the looks of it.

 

[Inobu]

:banghead:


Good thinking ab out forensic evidence. We are going on very little and forensics might certainly point immediately in some direction. The scarf could have very well been used to gag, blindfold, or strangle/disable her. Pictures can be deceiving, I just don't think the scarf was slipped down from a former position given the looks of it.

No, you can't think like that. expound on the thought as it is a good one. ......lets think backwards as you see in the image. The scarf in its view position had no visual purpose as we could tell. So what are the other potential positions.

A tight scarf around the neck has no purpose, a tight scarf around the eyes or mouth does. You cannot leave the scarf in the latter position in that it takes away from the concept of suicide hence unexplainable scarf as we see it in its current position.

In the discussion before we can eliminate the scarf as a means to protect the neck in that it was around the hair. Accessory ? I think not.

So that leaves us with a blindfold or gag? If is was a blindfold then the assailant(s) would have been known to RN. Either an assailant(s) hides their identity or prevents one from identifying them. That is what the blindfold does.

If the scarf was used as a blindfold then it puts the assailant as an identifiable individual.

There are just too many little devices that makes this a non suicide.

Inobu

 

[Inobu]

deanna82437

I think your comment has merit but I think the TOS kinda prevents us from exploring it. It gnaws at you because you want to better understand the environment.

As I type this I can see that one can really delve into the lives of others which causes one to ponder how deep does one venture.

I guess it is something to think about......:waitasec:

Inobu

 

[time]

Inobu ... yes, I CAN think like that :great:

I agree with most of what you are saying ... the pics, however, indicate the scarf is too tight around her neck to have simply been slipped down from her mouth or whatever. Her head seems elevated in the pic as I said before, almost as if she is in rigor mortis because otherwise it seems her head would be slumped back or to the side so the scarf couldn't just look tied tighter, e.g., the scarf is being pulled tighter due to position and something weighting it down.

IWannaKnow said

THEORY:
Sometime during the night a person snuck into the house, strangled RN with said scarf, tied her up with the electrical cord, and heaved her off the balcony. AS gets up to go to the bathroom in the morning [or a drink of water...whatever] and sees RN hanging, drags table over, cuts her down......you know the rest of the story.

This is the most probable theory to me also - adding that Rebecca was already naked because she was in bed.

SunnieRN Said

As for Time's statement about the domestic violence that Maxie grew up with, you can't hide that many altercations from your child, let alone police visits etc.

I have a feeling that Maxie may have been more relaxed after his parents divorced

.

Exactly, you said it better than I did! Although I would say the being more relaxed could have been most of the time.... who knows how handoffs at visitation went or phone calls to make plans. I've known people who divorce and keep up the animosity for years at least at some level. And, there very well could have been violence in the first marriage. Hard to tell if the second was instigated by both or if DS's relationship also included that element.

I'll just put this out there to see what others think. DS was foolish to allow JS to issue a joint statement for both of them ... discuss

 

[IWannaKnow]

~Snipped and BBM

I agree with most of what you are saying ... the pics, however, indicate the scarf is too tight around her neck to have simply been slipped down from her mouth or whatever. Her head seems elevated in the pic as I said before, almost as if she is in rigor mortis because otherwise it seems her head would be slumped back or to the side so the scarf couldn't just look tied tighter, e.g., the scarf is being pulled tighter due to position and something weighting it down.

Could this validate AS's claim that he found her hanging? The head would be pushed forward from the cord and if she had been hanging that long, rigor mortis would set in. Hmmmmmm.