Rebecca Zahau Wrongful death trial begins. Trial coverage and discussion #4

[justice be served]

IMO whoever wrote the door message used the paint tube to write the first S. They used the brush once they discovered the tube wouldn’t do the job.

They were clearly unfamiliar with acrylic paint in tube form, both it’s viscosity and it’s application.

Any artist ( even a hobby artist) relatively familiar with acrylic would know this simple fact, and we know RZ was a painter, so this goes to her knowledge and understanding of the paint...

...and the lack of knowledge of the person who painted the message.

I posted a detailed opinion on this a few threads back.

Just my opinion...


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BBM. You have this figured out certainly. There was much discussion on why that first letter was so different. It never came out in testimony because you solved it too late. But IMO Adam, having no knowledge of how paint works right out of the tube, would try to do this. It is really very compelling Lezah!

 

[Betty P]

stmarysmead:

Since you have indicated that you have only recently become involved in this case, I think you will find this Forbes article on the case interesting and it was posted very early on:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sheneg...-note-inconsistent-with-suicide/#50c040be7fde

Just want you to have a sense on the MSM take on things early on.

Shacknai Hires PR Firm Before Police Conclude that Zahau Committed Suicide

Thanks, justice be served. I haven't read that article in a few years, but it was a very comprehensive analysis of what was known then:

Bremner says that characterizing as a suicide the hanging of a bound and gagged woman is not only “unprecedented” but unsupported by the evidence in this case. Zahau’s sisters, including one who spoke to Zahau the day before her death, were not interviewed until two days before the coroner’s findings were announced.

What "She Saved Him" might mean itself is unclear given Rebecca's failure to save Max two days earlier from his fall over the balcony. Who is the "He" mentioned as the one who might save the "She" in the scrawl on the door is even more baffling. If Zahau wrote the phrase while suicidal, one wonders why she would be asking who might save her in the first instance, let alone who "He" might be.

If anything, the words on the wall sound sarcastic. And if Rebecca had written the message, wouldn’t it have been in the first person? I saved him, can he save me?

 

[Jessica2012]

IMO whoever wrote the door message used the paint tube to write the first S. They used the brush once they discovered the tube wouldn’t do the job.

They were clearly unfamiliar with acrylic paint in tube form, both it’s viscosity and it’s application.

Any artist ( even a hobby artist) relatively familiar with acrylic would know this simple fact, and we know RZ was a painter, so this goes to her knowledge and understanding of the paint...

...and the lack of knowledge of the person who painted the message.

I posted a detailed opinion on this a few threads back.

Just my opinion...


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No, it just may have been the first tube she tried to use was almost empty Perhaps she had to go find a second tube, The rest of the message says to me that a painter did it. AFAIK, Adam has never been accused of being a painter.

 

[justice be served]

Thanks, justice be served. I haven't read that article in a few years, but it was a very comprehensive analysis of what was known then:

Quote: Zahau’s sisters, including one who spoke to Zahau the day before her death, were not interviewed until two days before the coroner’s findings were announced.

Fact: JS was consulted 7-8 times by SDSO prior to the suicide ruling.

Now I ask you, how can that be reconciled that her own family's opinions were not even looked into until SDSO was ready to publish their findings? Is that a fair and balanced analysis of Rebecca's state of mind?

 

[MyBelle]

No, it just may have been the first tube she tried to use was almost empty Perhaps she had to go find a second tube, The rest of the message says to me that a painter did it. AFAIK, Adam has never been accused of being a painter.

The fact that it was written and paint found only on RZ's body is compelling evidence which points to RZ as the painter.

 

[Jessica2012]

BBM. Do you really think that Rebecca pinched her own nipples while committing suicide?

No, I think she got some paint on them while painting the door. I do not believe there was any pinching involved. JMO

 

[justice be served]

No, it just may have been the first tube she tried to use was almost empty Perhaps she had to go find a second tube, The rest of the message says to me that a painter did it. AFAIK, Adam has never been accused of being a painter.

Perhaps you might want to go back to Lezah's full analysis in the thread. Adam tried to actually paint 'with the tube as his tool' instead of using a paint brush which he eventually figured out after the first letter. All of the other letters were shown to be put on the door with a brush. I am sure that you can test that out with acrylic paints and will get the same result. And I hadn't heard that there was an empty paint tube at the scene - do you have evidence of that?

 

[justice be served]

No, I think she got some paint on them while painting the door. I do not believe there was any pinching involved. JMO

What makes you think that based on the specific smears on her that indicated the pinch? Do you know that for a fact?

 

[MyBelle]

Quote: Zahau’s sisters, including one who spoke to Zahau the day before her death, were not interviewed until two days before the coroner’s findings were announced.

Fact: JS was consulted 7-8 times by SDSO prior to the suicide ruling.

Now I ask you, how can that be reconciled that her own family's opinions were not even looked into until SDSO was ready to publish their findings? Is that a fair and balanced analysis of Rebecca's state of mind?

LE was interested in facts, not opinions. JS had to be investigated and ruled out as a suspect. And LE did just that. They may have spoken to RZ's sister sooner if she had not left town.

 

[MyBelle]

No, I think she got some paint on them while painting the door. I do not believe there was any pinching involved. JMO

Neither do I nor was any pinching mentioned on the AR.

 

[Jessica2012]

What makes you think that based on the specific smears on her that indicated the pinch? Do you know that for a fact?

I think my phrase “I believe” shows I do not know that for a fact. No one was there to see when and how she got the paint on her.

I do know here are no smears with “pinch indications” that were found by LE.

 

[Jessica2012]

Perhaps you might want to go back to Lezah's full analysis in the thread. Adam tried to actually paint 'with the tube as his tool' instead of using a paint brush which he eventually figured out after the first letter. All of the other letters were shown to be put on the door with a brush. I am sure that you can test that out with acrylic paints and will get the same result. And I hadn't heard that there was an empty paint tube at the scene - do you have evidence of that?

Do you have a link that Adam first tried to paint just using the tube?

TIA

 

[Lilibet]

Do you have a link that Adam first tried to paint just using the tube?

TIA

As mentioned, that was Lezah’s personal analysis posted on a previous thread.

 

[Lezah]

No, it just may have been the first tube she tried to use was almost empty Perhaps she had to go find a second tube, The rest of the message says to me that a painter did it. AFAIK, Adam has never been accused of being a painter.

Firstly, there is only one tube of paint in evidence, and secondly, an individual who would attempt to paint a substantial message on the door using an ‘almost empty’ tube of paint would, IMO, clearly demonstrate a lack of knowledge of the paints application coverage.

For example...your theory would perfectly describe someone who has never been accused of being a painter, someone AS.

PS you also don’t address my point that an individual with the most basic knowledge of acrylic paint in this format would know not to attempt to use a tube to directly apply paint.

I’m not persuaded by your argument.

Just my opinion...






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[Jessica2012]

It appears that either Bremner, the Zahaus, or the media got it wrong about those meetings (or lack thereof) with the Zahaus.

SDSO met with both Snowem and Mary, and their husbands on Sunday, July 17.

From ROA 408, page 60:

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Lead detective Tsuida also spoke with Snowem on Aug.4.

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Please refer to ROA 408, page 53, Detective Tsuida’s report.

 

[justice be served]

It appears that either Bremner, the Zahaus, or the media got it wrong about those meetings (or lack thereof) with the Zahaus.

SDSO met with both Snowem and Mary, and their husbands on Sunday, July 17.

From ROA 408, page 60:

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Lead detective Tsuida also spoke with Snowem on Aug.4.

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Please refer to ROA 408, page 53, Detective Tsuida’s report.

Okay, thanks Jessica. So they had two meetings with the Zahau family and 7 to 8 with JS. Glad we got that straight.

 

[Jessica2012]

<modsnip>I said, once again, that &#8220;No, it just may have been the first tube she tried to use was almost empty Perhaps she had to go find a second tube, The rest of the message says to me that a painter did it. AFAIK, Adam has never been accused of being a painter.

I do not agree with you that a person who never painted did the message. The remaining letters show brush strokes of a painter, imo.

 

[Brit]

No, it just may have been the first tube she tried to use was almost empty Perhaps she had to go find a second tube, The rest of the message says to me that a painter did it. AFAIK, Adam has never been accused of being a painter.

The point is that anyone familiar with using acrylic paints knows that you can’t use the paint right out of the tube. It will be dry and clumpy and very difficult to paint with. Someone familiar with acrylics as RZ was knows that you need some type of palette to spread the paint on, work it thru with a paint brush, and even then most times you need to work bits of water in to the paint to make the consistency spreadable. This is second nature to anyone who works with acrylics. In fact, by doing this it makes painting on a dry surface much more efficient and quicker. Painting directly from the tube is tedious and will never spread well, especially on a completely dry surface. And RZ would’ve known this being that she was a painter. If RZ had painted this message I would think she would want to do it the quickest most efficient way possible. And this way just would be the quickest way to do it.
You are right Adam has never been accused of being a painter. Whoever painted that message had no knowledge of how acrylics works efficiently, and obviously Adam has not shown that he was ever knowledgeable about painting.

That message was painted by someone who was not experienced with painting with acrylic paint. All my opinions, but I am someone that is extremely experienced with painting.

 

[justice be served]

No, I think she got some paint on them while painting the door. I do not believe there was any pinching involved. JMO

Oh, okay. So Rebecca, while reaching beyond her ability to reach due to her height to paint the message, then leaned against the door and got paint on herself while painting the message? The message that was probably 18" or more above her breast height?

Or in the alternative, did she just brush her nipples with the brush by mistake in her frazzled suicidal frenzy? Not bad enough that she was in the nude which is beyond the pale IMO.

Perhaps you could be more specific on how this would have happened that Rebecca got paint on her nipples that appeared to be pinched from the paint markings?

 

[Jessica2012]

Okay, thanks Jessica. So they had two meetings with the Zahau family and 7 to 8 with JS. Glad we got that straight.

Mary and Snowem were no where near Rebecca. She was Jonah&#8217;s girlfriend for 2 years. IMO, he knew more about her than they did, and certainly more about how she was in those 40-something hours after Max&#8217;s accident.

Why did they lie about not meeting with LE?