Rebecca's cell phone records

[KarenM]

I thought RN had ATT cell. On my cell, I can delete a voicemail - then retrieve it at later time and listen to deleted messages.Every phone/company is different. There is that Tiger App where you (and a mistress) can rig your phones so that the messge is completely deleted in "X" amount of time that you choose.

Are you able to retrieve the message after the call to the voice mail has ended or before the call ends? Verizon users can retrieve deleted messages as long as the call to the voice mail has not ended yet. The message will only be deleted from the network after you hang up. ATT is the same.

From ATT:

Deleted messages can be recovered, replayed, and re-saved up to the time your voicemail call completes. Messages you delete during a voicemail call are purged from the system when you exit the playback menu/end the call:

If a message is deleted and the call has ended, the message cannot be retrieved.
If a message is deleted, but the call has not ended, the message can be retrieved.

 

[CDS22]

Rebecca Zahau's phone to be re-examined

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/sep/21/rebecca-zahaus-phone-to-be-re-examined/

 

[Curious Me]

Rebecca Zahau's phone to be re-examined

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/sep/21/rebecca-zahaus-phone-to-be-re-examined/

Wow, suddenly there's a new Windows program. Imagine that.

 

[MyBelle]

You are correct regarding the 1230 call. Yet LE said they know who called, so I assume it was documented on JS or the callers phone. But, maybe they just went on here say from the caller... IF JS lied about the call, he will be found out, and that would open the door to everything. So, just don't see him making up a call. Yet, do think he may have said something mean and nothing about MS taking turn to worse. It was short, to the point and <2 minutes.

Even so, I was thinking about the 1030ish text.....but maybe things went down after midnight --- especially if loud music at 1AM true.

LE has never confirmed that JS left the message she listened to. But even if he did and was "mean" it isn't evidence he then murdered her.

JMO

 

[tvscum]

SAN DIEGO (CBS8) - The San Diego County Sheriff's Department has opened a new examination of data contained in the cell phone of Rebecca Zahau, the woman found hanging at the Spreckels mansion July 13.

Sheriff's homicide Lt. Larry Nesbit said that within the past week technology experts from his department started using newly-identified software to download data from Zahau's phone for forensic review.

"It constitutes a new examination of the evidence," Lt. Nesbit told News 8.

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To date, sheriff investigators have served no search warrants or subpoenas on AT&T seeking to obtain either the deleted voicemail or call logs related to Rebecca Zahau's phone, according to Lt. Nesbit.


http://www.cbs8.com/story/15520745/...us-cell-phone-new-witnesses-accounts-reported

 

[greenpalm]

Rebecca Zahau's phone to be re-examined

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/sep/21/rebecca-zahaus-phone-to-be-re-examined/

The Sheriff’s Department will re-examine the cell phone of Rebecca Zahau with technological programs that it previously did not have available,

Translation: previously did not take the time to explore or discover.

I'm with many other posters here, if L.E. Is going to claim that the contents of that deleted message is the motivating factor for RZNs suicide, then they really ought to know what the contents were. To just say "<shrug> it was deleted, but Jonah said so" is woefully unconvincing.

What will happen if the SDSO comes back now and says, "nope, the new technology doesn't reveal anything. We aren't changing our story.". Is any of the suspicion going to die? I think not. I'm sure Rebeccas family would very much like to have an independent examination of that phone.

This just doesn't seem on the up & up.

I know this has been touched on, but, what kind of change in condition, or new information could have been given to Maxie's parents at that time of day? It's been discussed that the MRI was scheduled for the next morning, it's been discussed that Maxie was not breathing for 25 minutes before he was resuscitated, meaning his prognosis must have been very bleak from the get go. Why would a pivotal change in his condition be reported at that hour of the day? My experience with hospitals and ICUs is that, baring a crisis, the docs do rounds and discussions with loved ones during the day. It's not impossible that a doc came by to talk to them that late at night, but it seems weird. They'd also ususally run labs and tests and so forth during the day, at least once a patient is stabilized. Right? Tell me if I'm wrong, I'm seeking info here, and only making that guess based on my limited experience.

There's obviously the suggestion that NR already had the info about his turn for the worse when she sent her 10:41 text. So, perhaps the info was given earlier in the evening. Perhaps JS just took some time to process it before he tried calking RZN to leave "THE Message."

Im also wondering, if there were many or any, previous texts between RZN & NR. How well did they know each other? What kind of relationship if any would they have had prior to this accident? Has NR definitely been cleared? We heard that J'S was cleared due to his whereabouts, but if NR was staying at Dina's place, a few of blocks away from the mansion, was anyone else there to verify her whereabouts? Were they awake the entire time?

I read somewhere (?) that there were no recent (or any) searches for knot tying on RZN's computer. Did they check anyone else's computer?

Thanks.

 

[stilettos]

SAN DIEGO (CBS8) - The San Diego County Sheriff's Department has opened a new examination of data contained in the cell phone of Rebecca Zahau, the woman found hanging at the Spreckels mansion July 13.

Sheriff's homicide Lt. Larry Nesbit said that within the past week technology experts from his department started using newly-identified software to download data from Zahau's phone for forensic review.

"It constitutes a new examination of the evidence," Lt. Nesbit told News 8.

******************
To date, sheriff investigators have served no search warrants or subpoenas on AT&T seeking to obtain either the deleted voicemail or call logs related to Rebecca Zahau's phone, according to Lt. Nesbit.


http://www.cbs8.com/story/15520745/...us-cell-phone-new-witnesses-accounts-reported

IMO the SDSD needs to ask for outside help in this case. They have really dropped the ball to the point that any findings they come up with would be suspect at this point. (MOO) They need to call for backup.

 

[Rhyme & Reason]

SAN DIEGO (CBS8) - The San Diego County Sheriff's Department has opened a new examination of data contained in the cell phone of Rebecca Zahau, the woman found hanging at the Spreckels mansion July 13.

Sheriff's homicide Lt. Larry Nesbit said that within the past week technology experts from his department started using newly-identified software to download data from Zahau's phone for forensic review.

"It constitutes a new examination of the evidence," Lt. Nesbit told News 8.

******************
To date, sheriff investigators have served no search warrants or subpoenas on AT&T seeking to obtain either the deleted voicemail or call logs related to Rebecca Zahau's phone, according to Lt. Nesbit.


http://www.cbs8.com/story/15520745/...us-cell-phone-new-witnesses-accounts-reported

Hi tvscum. Do you know what happened with the search warrants in Maxie's case? On Tuesday you posted that they may release them on Wednesday (yesterday).

Thanks!

ETA: Sorry, my mistake. You stated the hearing is on Thursday and they may release them Wednesday!

Here is the link to the original post [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7142773&postcount=93"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Search Warrants Unsealed Shacknai Zahau[/ame]

 

[steff13]

LE has never confirmed that JS left the message she listened to. But even if he did and was "mean" it isn't evidence he then murdered her.

JMO

But, didn't LE assert that the subject of the message (Max's worsening condition) is what prompted Rebecca to commit suicide?

The "mystery message," is of little significance either way, IMO, unless they can retrieve it.

 

[jjenny]

But, didn't LE assert that the subject of the message (Max's worsening condition) is what prompted Rebecca to commit suicide?

The "mystery message," is of little significance either way, IMO, unless they can retrieve it.

It was definitely implied that getting news of Max's condition led her to commit suicide. So, I certainly think its of high significance.

 

[jjenny]

Wow, suddenly there's a new Windows program. Imagine that.

Amazing, isn't it.

 

[stilettos]

Excuse me if this has already been pposted but it an interesting take on the new developments.

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2011/0...a-case-of-assumptions-and-factoids/#more-7997

 

[steff13]

It was definitely implied that getting news of Max's condition led her to commit suicide. So, I certainly think its of high significance.

I just meant in the respect that the previous poster stated that the message doesn't prove JS killed RZ. If it doesn't prove/indicate that, it is equally unreliable in proving/indicating suicide, IMO.

If this new witness is to be believed, and she died prior to midnight, the message (if one even existed), is much less significant than the fact that someone called RZ's VM after midnight.

 

[jjenny]

I just meant in the respect that the previous poster stated that the message doesn't prove JS killed RZ. If it doesn't prove/indicate that, it is equally unreliable in proving/indicating suicide, IMO.

If this new witness is to be believed, and she died prior to midnight, the message (if one even existed), is much less significant than the fact that someone called RZ's VM after midnight.

IF RN died before midnight, and somebody checked her voicemail at 12:50, that somebody couldn't have been RN. The message existence and contents are still extremely important in my eyes, since it goes to the truthfulness of the person who claimed to have send it.

 

[Rhyme & Reason]

Bremner said sheriff's investigators never served a search warrant for Zahau's phone records or with AT&T, her provider, but instead only did a visual assessment of Zahau's call history.

http://www.10news.com/news/29253139/detail.html

 

[jjenny]

Bremner said sheriff's investigators never served a search warrant for Zahau's phone records or with AT&T, her provider, but instead only did a visual assessment of Zahau's call history.

http://www.10news.com/news/29253139/detail.html

They also never tried to recover the message that supposedly led her to suicide.

 

[IWannaKnow]

Any chance that the late night NR text, was sent by DS - using NR cell. She didn't call b/c RN would recognize the voice, but she would not recognize the text?

Other thought, the person(s) with the cell was already in the home when text sent, but they wanted to determine where RN was, so... sent text as this would make ringing noise to give clue where she was. I think RN was in shower, and when she came out something happened.....

ITA curiosjo, I've been thinking for awhile that the call was to locate her within the mansion.

 

[time]

Excuse me if this has already been pposted but it an interesting take on the new developments.

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2011/0...a-case-of-assumptions-and-factoids/#more-7997

Great article, I should have searched more before posting the link. It does describe the illogical, and unbelievable!, claims quite accurately of SDSO cell phones non-investigation, particularly Rebcecca's.

 

[time]

Any chance that the late night NR text, was sent by DS - using NR cell. She didn't call b/c RN would recognize the voice, but she would not recognize the text?

Other thought, the person(s) with the cell was already in the home when text sent, but they wanted to determine where RN was, so... sent text as this would make ringing noise to give clue where she was. I think RN was in shower, and when she came out something happened.....

I had similar thoughts when reading the new stuff about the 10 pm and 11:30 witnesses. This all makes me really angry that Rebecca was also found, supposedly within hours of her death, but I don't think the TOD was as accurate as it could have been because it was investigated 12 hours later. Therefore, I think Rebecca could have died anywhere from 10-11pm the day before to 6 am that morning.

 

[time]

Wow, suddenly there's a new Windows program. Imagine that.

Magic!

At this point, I don't think they should be allowed to even touch any evidence. They completed screwed up. I can't fathom that they did not even get a search warrant until August 24th for Jonah's phones, one of which it appears Dina used (what????).

Well, apparently for the same reason it took them six weeks to decide they needed to get the cell phone records on the two phones owned by Jonah Shacknai, and that appear to (now we are left to assume because SDSO won’t tell us) have been used by Jonah and Dina Shacknai. According to the search warrants here and here, they didn’t even go before a judge and request the subpoena power for these records until August 24th!

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2011/09/22/rebecca-zahau-case-a-case-of-assumptions-and-factoids/