Rebecca's Death

[MyBelle]

MaBelle, I accept that you don't believe Rebecca was murdered and I am OK with that but I do believe she was murdered and I wonder who could have done it.

Yes, I wonder if Dina may have done it. Am I accusing her? Of course not. I wasn't there so I don't know. I am just wondering how she would have done it if she did do it and how that would have been possible. If LE would have supported their speculations with FACTS then I and many others would not be questioning this.

You choose to believe LE's findings in Rebecca's case only whether those findings and scientifically supported or not. That is your right to do so.

I choose to examine their findings in depth and question the discrepancies. That is my right, no?

BBM. The findings in this case are scientifically supported. There was no evidence found at the scene of foul play. The ME does have science education, training and experience. I have no reason not to believe his findings. The Sheriff cleared Dina. I don't believe any of us has the right to allege she committed a crime or demand to know details LE haven't publicly provided.

JMO

 

[jjenny]

BBM. The findings in this case are scientifically supported. There was no evidence found at the scene of foul play. The ME does have science education, training and experience. I have no reason not to believe his findings. The Sheriff cleared Dina. I don't believe any of us has the right to allege she committed a crime or demand to know details LE haven't publicly provided.

JMO

Well, no evidence of foul play was found in Max's case either. That certainly hasn't stopped some people from claiming assault and murder.

 

[Jessica2012]

Well, no evidence of foul play was found in Max's case either. That certainly hasn't stopped some people from claiming assault and murder.

Respectfully, in my opinion, there is clear evidence of foul play in Max's death (I am not saying this was premeditated/intentional). According to Max's autopsy report, and the report by Dina's expert, there is evidence in my opinion that is beyond a reasonable doubt that the events did not occur as told. In my opinion, this was the motive for Rebecca to commit suicide.

 

[freespeech]

BBM. The findings in this case are scientifically supported. There was no evidence found at the scene of foul play. The ME does have science education, training and experience. I have no reason not to believe his findings. The Sheriff cleared Dina. I don't believe any of us has the right to allege she committed a crime or demand to know details LE haven't publicly provided.

JMO

BBM

I don't allege anything. I wasn't there so I don't know.

Do I have a right to say that I wonder if Dina could have killed Rebecca? Is it wrong to say I had the thought and I wondered at it?

*LE apparently revealed the details to AB in the form of case files and she believes that there is evidence to open a new investigation.

*Mary has stated that she believes her sister was murdered.

*Rudoy suggested that they have a suspect and that that person should turn themselves in.

I believe everyone has already seen the above in the media but if you have not then please let me know and I will be delighted to show the links.

 

[Jessica2012]

BBM

I don't allege anything. I wasn't there so I don't know.

Do I have a right to say that I wonder if Dina could have killed Rebecca? Is it wrong to say I had the thought and I wondered at it?

*LE apparently revealed the details to AB in the form of case files and she believes that there is evidence to open a new investigation.

*Mary has stated that she believes her sister was murdered.

*Rudoy suggested that they have a suspect and that that person should turn themselves in.

I believe everyone has already seen the above in the media but if you have not then please let me know and I will be delighted to show the links.

@freespeech- I did read all of that a very long time ago. Wasn't this the same information that was submitted and turned down twice?

 

[Mrs. Holmes]

@freespeech- I did read all of that a very long time ago. Wasn't this the same information that was submitted and turned down twice?

SD Sheriff refused to even look at the files, they turned it down within 24 hours. The DA also refused and took a week to refuse. Interestingly they are good buddies and the Sheriff was supporting her run for Mayor. Why would they bother to review a case that would cause harm to their political causes?

However, the States Attorney's office has been reviewing the file for MONTHS.

Speaks volumes.

 

[freespeech]

I wonder if they sampled for DNA near where the tape residue was found on her legs?

LE never really addressed the tape residue on Rebecca's legs. Why would that be there after her shower/bath?

Why would she have mixed DNA under her fingernails after a shower/bath?

How did blood come to be on the shower stall wall? Menstrual blood wouldn't fly up to the wall against the force of gravity. If it was menstrual blood it would fall straight down and wash away during the shower.

Why carry the towel into the guest bedroom?

Why wrap a blue tee shirt around your neck over your hair and to gag yourself?

If she did it to herself she would have had to:

*Find rope, knives, paint, paint brushes

*Paint a message on the door

*Dab paint on various body parts

*Calculate the length of rope needed

*Cut the rope to the specific measurements determined

*Tie the rope to the bed in complex nautical knots

*Prepare the noose

*Tie her feet together

*Wrap the blue tee shirt around her neck three times and stick the end in her mouth

*Put the noose over her neck

*Tie her hands in front of her

*Remove one hand to position the bindings at her back

*Hobble to the balcony

*Turn out the lights with tied hands

*Shut the doors behind her with tied hands

*Only touch the tip of her toe to the edge of the balcony

*Then hurl herself over on her side so as to disturb the railing dust only a few inches wide

*She'd also would have had to do all this very quickly and without oxygen since tying the blue tee shirt around her neck three times should already killed her on the spot

Rebecca did not have a history of violence, psychosis, depression or substance abuse. However, I wonder if someone in her circle of contacts had a history of psychiatric problems? How this "suicide" was proposed seems totally psychotic and it would have been impossible to perform imo.

 

[jjenny]

And I find it mind boggling that a woman possibly on her period would kill herself naked. Especially the one so well put together as Rebecca was.
She clearly cared about her appearance a whole lot. Clothes, make up, etc.
She is going to hang herself naked outside?

 

[Betty P]

BBM. The findings in this case are scientifically supported. There was no evidence found at the scene of foul play. The ME does have science education, training and experience. I have no reason not to believe his findings. The Sheriff cleared Dina. I don't believe any of us has the right to allege she committed a crime or demand to know details LE haven't publicly provided.

JMO

Not exactly. The investigation was very limited.

There was a great deal of evidence that was never tested or reviewed. Only one person's cell phone records were reviewed. There were very few interviews with witnesses and interested parties and administration of only one LDT whose subject did not pass.

For example, there was mixed DNA all over the death scene - on the knife, the rope, black gloves, bed frame and under RZ's fingernails. But none of it was tested.

http://www.760kfmb.com/story/16068012/mixed-dna-all-over-zahau-death-scene-some-evidence-not-tested

 

[Jessica2012]

Does any one know how direct sunlight affects DNA samples? I was wondering about the mixed DNA under Rebecca's fingernails. Would exposure to mid-July sunlight during peak hours (7:00 a.m.- 7:00 p.m.) tend to degrade DNA thus causing it to be interpretable. I'm wondering if anyone in forensics has ever seen a table that shows rates of how this happens if it does. Would it be related to the body's decomposition process?

Also, has anyone heard or read about methods of rendering uninterpretable DNA interpretable?

Does anyone have references to who took care of the mansion when Jonah was not there? I believe that it was mentioned early on that there was a family and a tenant who lived on the property in the guest house? I also recall a report that they were asked to leave after Max's accident. Does anyone know what happened to them or if they were ever interviewed by police?

@free speech- Heat would accelerate the body's decomposition process. In my opinion, direct sunlight can change the structure of DNA, or cause its mutation.
I did recently read of a new test which can possibly render previously uninterpretable DNA interpretable. Give me some time, I will find a link for the information on it.

http://trace.tennessee.edu/cgi/view...#search="heat accelerates body decomposition"

http://arxiv.org/ftp/physics/papers/0703/0703074.pdf

 

[freespeech]

@freespeech- I did read all of that a very long time ago. Wasn't this the same information that was submitted and turned down twice?

The one request was on behalf of the Zahaus but the other was from Jonah for a review.

I hope this third request is being thoroughly considered. Investigating both cases would be in the best interest of both families and the general public who also would like to be reassured that the justice system still works correctly and that dangerous murderers are not free commit further crimes.

 

[freespeech]

And I find it mind boggling that a woman possibly on her period would kill herself naked. Especially the one so well put together as Rebecca was.
She clearly cared about her appearance a whole lot. Clothes, make up, etc.
She is going to hang herself naked outside?

Rebecca's sister also stated that Rebecca would never kill herself the way she was found. Mary never said Rebecca would never kill herself. I don't know that anyone could say that about someone else for sure.

However, I do think Mary knew her own sister well enough to know that Rebecca and probably no woman in her right mind would do what was done to Rebecca.

 

[freespeech]

"In a phone interview with News 8, Bremner later confirmed that more than a dozen searches of sexual content – using terms like "raped, sexy Asian girls, and bondage anime" – were accessed on a computer the day before Zahau's death.

"It's important to the investigation because there is an image from anime, and its called bond anime and it shows an Asian women bound; at least her hands are bound behind her back," said the Seattle-based attorney.

Bremner said it was not Zahau who looked at the online content and suggested the computer may have been accessed by someone using an airline account."

http://www.760kfmb.com/story/16083634/zahau-attorney-bondage-🤬🤬🤬🤬-found-on-coronado-mansion-computer

 

[Jessica2012]

This thread is for discussing Rebecca's death. Many people according to the poll believed Rebecca was murdered. That is why AB submitted a request to KH to open an investigation.

Also Rebecca had mixed DNA under her fingernails after showering. Where did that come from? Why was there blood in the shower?

@freespeech- Forgive me if this has already been addressed. Was it mixed DNA under Rebecca's fingernails, DNA that was too little to read under one fingernail, or was it unidentifiable DNA? I have read every one of these, that is why I am asking. Also, in the case of DNA that was too little to read, they would save it for future reference am I correct?

 

[time]

And I find it mind boggling that a woman possibly on her period would kill herself naked. Especially the one so well put together as Rebecca was.
She clearly cared about her appearance a whole lot. Clothes, make up, etc.
She is going to hang herself naked outside?

Yes, that on top of all the other aspects that would make this a rare or totally unique suicide. It's just not believable on face value.

I still think she had a thinner strangulation mark around her neck that was not caused by any hanging. Someone earlier verified that (freespeech?) - was that in the first and second autopsy?

 

[time]

Also, I do not believe she was dropped from the balcony because of reasons listed recently on here. I've always thought she could have been hoisted up from the bottom and that's why there is a broken table leg.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Police did not test the blood in the shower. They assumed it was Rebecca's menstrual blood. However, in reality it could have been an assailant's blood because Rebecca had mixed DNA under her fingernails. Apparently she had showered so I wouldn't expect that to be there at that time unless she used her hands to try and defend herself.

Well, that was ignorant of them. Who leaves their menstrual blood in the shower rather than rinsing it down the drain?

For that matter, how could it NOT go down the drain (gravity) and NOT be diluted with water?

 

[freespeech]

@freespeech- Forgive me if this has already been addressed. Was it mixed DNA under Rebecca's fingernails, DNA that was too little to read under one fingernail, or was it unidentifiable DNA? I have read every one of these, that is why I am asking. Also, in the case of DNA that was too little to read, they would save it for future reference am I correct?

I'm not sure but I think AB said mixed DNA during one of her interviews. I am going to try and verify exactly what was said as soon as possible.

The autopsy report showed blood on two fingers of her right hand. I don't recall I heard mention of whether that blood was typed. If that was not Rebecca's blood would that and the foreign DNA found under her nails be considered possible defensive wounds? She also had an 1/8th inch abrasion on the left forearm and abrasions on the 2nd and 3rd left fingers.

 

[Jessica2012]

@free speech- Heat would accelerate the body's decomposition process. In my opinion, direct sunlight can change the structure of DNA, or cause its mutation.
I did recently read of a new test which can possibly render previously uninterpretable DNA interpretable. Give me some time, I will find a link for the information on it.

http://trace.tennessee.edu/cgi/view...#search="heat accelerates body decomposition"

http://arxiv.org/ftp/physics/papers/0703/0703074.pdf

*I am not an expert, but here is some information to read, I will add more as I come across it. Both Rebecca and Max may have had DNA material under their fingernails.
I read that the DNA material under Rebecca's fingernails were all evaluated to be her own, except one fingernail where the DNA amount was too small to be able to come to a conclusion.(If this is wrong, kindly correct me.)

-This is for testing samples containing very small amounts of DNA

http://www.cps.gov.uk/publications/prosecution/lcn_testing.html#_01

http://www.insidetime.org/resources/Publications/DNA_Low-Copy-Number_CPS_Guide.pdf

-In the case of David Burgess convicted of murdering Yolanda Washington forensic experts were able to obtain a partial DNA profile using a new techinique called MiniFiler. Smaller pieces of DNA can be used to obtain information.(Ideal for samples that have degraded and older cases.)
"[The MiniFiler kit] increases your ability to obtain DNA results from compromised samples that previously would have yielded limited or no genetic data. This means cold cases can come off the shelf for re-analysis and new, challenging samples have a better chance of delivering interpretable results."

http://marketing.appliedbiosystems....as_Minifiler_ProdRegMinifiler_20061114#notice

 

[freespeech]

Yes, that on top of all the other aspects that would make this a rare or totally unique suicide. It's just not believable on face value.

I still think she had a thinner strangulation mark around her neck that was not caused by any hanging. Someone earlier verified that (freespeech?) - was that in the first and second autopsy?

According to the autopsy report Rebecca had a second thinner ligature mark that ran parallel to and beneath the thicker rope ligature marks.

Also according to the autopsy report she had facial and neck petechiae and facial congestion which is more indicative of strangulation vs hanging. Her front throat bones were crushed which is also more indicative of strangulation whereas her neck was not broken as would be expected in a long drop hanging.