Rebecca's Fate

[K_Z]

:jail:

The dozen of computer 'searches' of sexual content occurred the day before Rebecca's death. The actual time is unknown. This would have been Tuesday the 12th. On this day, XZ departed, AS arrived, Ocean was boarded, the infamous dinner, Dina was resting at her Coronado home for 8 plus hours, Dina was seen at the mansion and Nina admitted to being at the mansion. The time these 'searches' occurred is crucial. It is obvious RZ was in and out of the mansion most of that day. Does LE believe RZ made these computer searches? Does LE believe RZ used these searches to help create her suicide? In my opinion, it does not fit their theory since RZ had not yet received the alleged voicemail that purportedly triggered her to commit suicide.

What would be very interesting to know is whether this access to these particular sites had ever happened before on this computer. Or on any other computer in the home or laptops or portable devices used by any of the home's residents. Patterns are very important evidence. They demonstrate people's routines, and serve as predictors of past, present, and future behaviors. For example, if there was a lot of of any kind accessed on that computer, that has a different predictive value than if no had ever been accessed from that computer.

I'm sure LE knows the answers to those questions. They just only chose to share the most salacious details without any context. And that, IMO, is willfully attempting to manipulate the public perception of the victim. Character assassination. Kind of like NBC editing the George Zimmerman non emergency call to make him look like he was making unsolicited racial remarks, instead of responding to the operator's direct question about the race of the person he called about. LE very intentionally threw out the " on the computer" comment to change the direction of the public conversation, IMO.

 

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:jail:

What would be very interesting to know is whether this access to these particular sites had ever happened before on this computer. Or on any other computer in the home or laptops or portable devices used by any of the home's residents. Patterns are very important evidence. They demonstrate people's routines, and serve as predictors of past, present, and future behaviors. For example, if there was a lot of of any kind accessed on that computer, that has a different predictive value than if no had ever been accessed from that computer.

I'm sure LE knows the answers to those questions. They just only chose to share the most salacious details without any context. And that, Also, IMO, is willfully attempting to manipulate the public perception of the victim. Character assassination. Kind of like NBC editing the George Zimmerman non emergency call to make him look like he was making unsolicited racial remarks, instead of responding to the operator's direct question about the race of the person he called about. LE very intentionally threw out the " on the computer" comment to change the direction of the public conversation, IMO.

Did Bremner or LE release the info? I thought Bremner released it. She stated Rebecca did not do the searches but that they were signidficant because there was an image found that resembled how she was bound.

Also, good point, *Lash*, about the searches being done before the alleged trigger voice mail. That probably rules out the possibility that Rebecca did the seaches even more. Besides, she had been very busy running errands that day.

I wonder if Gore threatened to release the entire file before or after Bremner made the comment about the computer searches. In his letter he mentioned that they investigated Rebecca and would release that info if Bremner wasn't careful. To me the implication was that there there was possibly something sensational there. Possibly a history of offbeat sexual practices? Who knows?

Bremner was quiet after Gore's threat. However, Rudoy did publically state that the person who killed Rebecca should turn them selves in so there must be some important information in the file.

I'm wondering if the Zahau's will allow Bremner to release the file to the public if the AG turns them down and they decide not to try for a judicial review. That might be "just deserts" for the dirty players here...to have all their dirty deads exposed for public scritiny and discussion...

 

[Inparadise]

Did Bremner or LE release the info. I thought Bremner released it. She stated Rebecca did not do the searches but that they were signidficant because there was an image found from the searches that resembled how she was found.

Good point, *Lash*, about the searches being done before the alleged trigger voice mail. That probably rules out the possibility that Rebecca did the seaches even more. Besides, she had been very busy that day running errands.

I wonder if Gore threatened to release the entire file before or after Bremner made the comment about the computer searches. In his letter he mentioned that they investigated Rebecca and would release that info if Bremner wasn't careful. To me the implication was that there there was possibly something sensational there. Possibly a history of offbeat sexual practices? Who knows?
Though Bremner was quite after the threatening letter. However, Rudoy did publically state that the person who killed Rebecca should turn them selves in so there must be some inportant information in the file.

I'm wondering if the Zahau's will allow Bremner to release the file to the public if the AG turns them down and they decide not to try for ca judicial review. That might be "just deserts" for the dirty players here...to have all their dirty deads exposed to public scritiny and discussion, no?

If the searches were done prior to when Adam arrived at Spreckels, then it would seem likely that Nina's son was driving the keyboard......IMO.

 

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I'm answering my own question.

'San Diego County Sheriff Bill Gore sent a letter to Rebecca Zahau's family attorney, saying he would release Zahau's investigative file to the public if the family didn't keep the investigation quiet...On Oct. 27, Gore sent the two-page letter sent to Anne Bremner, the attorney for Rebecca Zahau's family in response to Bremner's request for Zahau's death investigation files.'

Source: http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Sheriff_Bill_Gore_Letter_Rebecca_Zahau.html#ixzz2BqSo7iMB.

'On November 19, local news channel CBS8 stated in a phone interview with Bremner she confirmed there were a dozen searches using terms like "raped, sexy Asian girls, and bondage anime" accessed on a computer in the mansion the day before Zahau's death. Bremner told CBS8"It's important to the investigation because there is an image from anime called bond anime and it shows an Asian woman bound." Bremner also said it was not Zahau who looked at the content but that it may have been accessed by someone using an airline account.'

http://news.yahoo.com/rebecca-zahau-case-information-san-diego-police-172600607.html

Also, January 25, 2012,

'Rudoy said Shacknai would only let them in while supervised by law enforcement, but that never happened.

"Rebecca was Jonah's live-in girlfriend for two years and to me, it's curious why he's not more curious about what happened to her," he said.

Rudoy said the mansion's new owners, a group of investors, have set the same ground rules.

The San Diego County Sheriff's Department has already said the evidence points to suicide. They say without new evidence, they will not go back inside.

Rudoy said he does not believe all the facts were there at the time the suicide determination was made. He went on to say that access to the house would help but it is not critical.

However, he said their investigation has already developed new leads that will point to a killer.

"If the information proves out… [it] would support charges against one or more individuals," said Rudoy.

Rudoy would not say who he thinks is responsible for Zahau's death but only that he wants them to turn themselves in. The plan is to present their new evidence to law enforcement in the next two weeks.'

http://www.10news.com/news/renovations-under-way-at-coronado-mansion

So was Bremner just being "ballsy" or did she find the info so compelling that she couldn't remain silent? I believe that the information contained in that file is a bombshell. If this case doesn't get prosecuted then the Zahaus should release the file...or have someone write a book about it, no?

 

[*Lash*]

The was first raised by David Gotfredson of CBS8 at the SDSO 11-17 briefing that occurred after the first Dr. Phil show. Gore directed the media to ask Anne Bremner about this information. Gore could have easily answered the reporter much differently. In my opinion, Gore set up Anne Bremner to answer the question.

DAVID GOTFREDSON/CBS8:
Was there found on the computer?

GORE:
We have not released that. We gave that over in the file to the family. There's other things, the contents of a note on her cell phone that we have not divulged for consideration to the family and we are not really putting out all the specifics of the information found on the computer. But that information is all in the possession of Anne Bremner if she would like to discuss that with you. She has the entire file.

http://www.760kfmb.com/story/16068012/mixed-dna-all-over-zahau-death-scene-some-evidence-not-tested

 

[Inparadise]

The was first raised by David Gotfredson of CBS8 at the SDSO 11-17 briefing that occurred after the first Dr. Phil show. Gore directed the media to ask Anne Bremner about this information. Gore could have easily answered the reporter much differently. In my opinion, Gore set up Anne Bremner to answer the question.

I would suggest that Gotfredson already knew the answer to the question........one never asks a question that they don't know the answer to.

 

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I believe that Rebecca would still be alive today if Max had not died. I also believe that she would have left Jonah if the accident had not occurred.

I do not believe they would have married because marriage wouldn't have fixed Jonah's inability to stick up for her by setting limits with his kids.

Also, I question whether Jonah would have expected Rebecca to convert to Judaism? I doubt they even discussed it. However, since Jonah expected the previous two wives to convert then it seems likely he would have expected a third wife to follow suit.

I doubt that Rebecca would have converted if marriage was ever really on the table with them. Afterall, from all reports she was a Christian, though not devout imo, since she was living with him. However, I still do not believe that she would have renounced and forsaken her faith for him.

Rebecca purportedly met her ex in bible college. He purportedly stated that she became materialistic. She also had the shoplifting episode that could possible be an indicator of that. Who knows?

However, I can imagine the disaapointment of a young person from a foriegn country coming to the USA only to discover that the streets are not paved with gold. I can also understand her being seduced by the idea of great wealth.

However, I believe that Rebecca was a basically decent and non-violent human being. We all have flaws and make stupid mistakes and that is without exception. I also believe that Jonah was just a phase for her and that she learned the lessons she needed to learn from that relationship and was ready to move on. Imo, this is why I believe that if Max would have lived Rebecca would have moved on anyway.

 

[bourne]

I believe that Rebecca would still be alive today if Max had not died. I also believe that she would have left Jonah if the accident had not occurred.

I do not believe they would have married because marriage wouldn't have fixed Jonah's inability to stick up for her by setting limits with his kids.

Also, I question whether Jonah would have expected Rebecca to convert to Judaism? I doubt they even discussed it. However, since Jonah expected the previous two wives to convert then it seems likely he would have expected a third wife to follow suit.

I doubt that Rebecca would have converted if marriage was ever really on the table with them. Afterall, from all reports she was a Christian, though not devout imo, since she was living with him. However, I still do not believe that she would have renounced and forsaken her faith for him.

Rebecca purportedly met her ex in bible college. He purportedly stated that she became materialistic. She also had the shoplifting episode that could possible be an indicator of that. Who knows?

However, I can imagine the disaapointment of a young person from a foriegn country coming to the USA only to discover that the streets are not paved with gold. I can also understand her being seduced by the idea of great wealth.

However, I believe that Rebecca was a basically decent and non-violent human being. We all have flaws and make stupid mistakes and that is without exception. I also believe that Jonah was just a phase for her and that she learned the lessons she needed to learn from that relationship and was ready to move on. Imo, this is why I believe that if Max would have lived Rebecca would have moved on anyway.

I agree with much of what you say. However, I think that sometimes a person in love is blindsided and do things (in Rebecca's case shoplift) because they believe so strongly that they are in love with a particular person and want nothing but to please their object of affection. Such as also the case with Dina. Based on the numerous police reports and I think there were at least 15 of them, she must have deeply loved or believed she was in love with Jonah to undergo all the crazy, irrational things she did with him. I feel sorry for her. Her self-esteem must have hit rock bottom when she was with Jonah and particularly at her relationships' end with him, but I do not agree with nor condone what I believe she did to Rebecca.

I believe there comes a point when we have to take responsibility for our own actions, especially as they relate to our own participation in our (destructive, dysfunctional) relationships.

 

[bourne]

I would suggest that Gotfredson already knew the answer to the question........one never asks a question that they don't know the answer to.

What I wonder is how did Gotfredson know about the searches? Who told him? Was it leaked by LE? By Gore himself?

 

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I agree with much of what you say. However, I think that sometimes a person in love is blindsided and do things (in Rebecca's case shoplift) because they believe so strongly that they are in love with a particular person and want nothing but to please their object of affection. Such as also the case with Dina. Based on the numerous police reports and I think there were at least 15 of them, she must have deeply loved or believed she was in love with Jonah to undergo all the crazy, irrational things she did with him. I feel sorry for her. Her self-esteem must have hit rock bottom when she was with Jonah and particularly at her relationships' end with him, but I do not agree with nor condone what I believe she did to Rebecca.

I believe there comes a point when we have to take responsibility for our own actions, especially as they relate to our own participation in our (destructive, dysfunctional) relationships.

I was trying to say that maybe Jonah was just a fling for Rebecca. He represented the wealthy American. Possibly his life seemed glamorous on the surface but was unattractive close up. I would wager that he didn't spend that much time with her anyway.

He most likely expected her to be nanny to his three kids. He allowed them to disrespect her and didn't stick up for her. Also, he had a very unpleasant ex-wife as well.

Maybe she was simply going through a materialistic phase and he was part of that. I think she out grew him and was ready to move on.

Also, I believe the shoplifting episode happened before they met. I don't think she shoplifted to please anyone. She probably just wanted the stuff and so she took it.

I also think Dina did what she did to Jonah because she has abandoment issues. He didn't cause them. I would imagine that she had them way before they met.

Imo, Jonah wasn't a soul mate or even marriage material. He was just a phase. That's the way I read it.

 

[bourne]

I was trying to say that maybe Jonah was just a fling for Rebecca. He represented the wealthy American. Possibly his life seemed glamorous on the surface but was unattractive close up. I would wager that he didn't spend that much time with her anyway.

He most likely expected her to be nanny to his three kids. He allowed them to disrespect her and didn't stick up for her. Also, he had a very unpleasant ex-wife as well.

Maybe she was simply going through a materialistic phase and he was part of that. I think she out grew him and was ready to move on.

Also, I believe the shoplifting episode happened before they met. I don't think she shoplifted to please anyone. She probably just wanted the stuff and so she took it.

I also think Dina did what she did to Jonah because she has abandoment issues. He didn't cause them. I would imagine that she had them way before they met.

Imo, Jonah wasn't a soul mate or even marriage material. He was just a phase. That's the way I read it.

I appreciate the clarifications but there was no need. I agreed with much of what you said. My point only was to add that as Rebecca was flawed and as you say "materialistic" (which I do not necessarily see her one act of shoplifting as characterizing her as an out-of-control, materialistic, greedy shoplifter after Jonah's money) , so is Dina and all women.

From all indications, Dina and Nina are much more materialistic than Rebecca. E.g., who, during a murder investigation, would talk about the brand name of their wristlet -- a "Coach", or in the PR campaign, refer to Rebecca as a "golddigger" when Rebecca did not appear to have asked Jonah for any materialistic goods? I would wager to say that Dina and Nina are projecting their own golddigging instincts onto Rebecca.

Dina may very well have abandonment issues, but that doesn't excuse her for lashing out at Rebecca, or IMO, for participation in Rebecca's murder, or viciously and vindictively slandering Rebecca even in death.

 

[bourne]

Oh, I also think for Rebecca or any other gf or woman including Dina, Jonah's allure was not only his wealth, but also his charm, however superficial it was/is.

At the beginning of new romances, most men and Jonah is no exception, likely reeled the women in with an overabundance of attention, compliments, and perhaps even expensive gifts and promises of the good life. But once such men ensnared the women (wow, Jonah sounds like an evil snake in Eden, lol), the positive attention and stuff dissipates, and the women become nothing more than a notch in his belt.

 

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Oh, I also think for Rebecca or any other gf or woman including Dina, Jonah's allure was not only his wealth, but also his charm, however superficial it was/is.

At the beginning of new romances, most men and Jonah is no exception, likely reeled the women in with an overabundance of attention, compliments, and perhaps even expensive gifts and promises of the good life. But once such men ensnared the women (wow, Jonah sounds like an evil snake in Eden, lol), the positive attention and stuff dissipates, and the women become nothing more than a notch in his belt.

Bourne, yes, I agree with all you are saying. Also, your comments have helped me to further articulate my perception of the nature of Rebecca's relationship with Jonah.

I think Rebecca loved Jonah. She stayed and helped him during the crisis with Max even though she was scared of Dina. However, I don't see her as a desperate person. Her actions seemed more courageous and dedicated.

She told Mary that she was thinking of taking a break from the relationship after the summer. That indicated she thought that Jonah probably wasn't going to improve his behavior by setting appropriate limits with his children.

Rebecca seemed willing and able to walk away from Jonah. From what was reported Kimberly also seemed to walk away as gracefully as was possible under the circumstances, imo. However, Dina seemed like a loose cannon, very clingy and refusing to let go. Even now, she constantly maligns Rebecca's character.

I agree that the twins seemed more materialistic. I was trying to say that Rebecca did not seem desperate about her relationship with Jonah. She could walk away if necessary and probably would have if she had lived.

The comment I made about the shoplifting was just me wondering if Rebecca also had a "fling" with materialism at one stage. I do not believe it was the driving force in her character at all. She seemed from all reports to be a kind, loving, helpful and spiritual woman. Though she obviously was not perfect is a given. There is not one human being anywhere who is perfect,imo.

Dina on the other hand seemed very desperate by leaping into to Jonah's car and telling him 'You can't leave me.', when he was trying to get away from her. Also the other incidents of DV showed her desperation (Eg. breaking his finger and trying to choke him).

Does anyone know what happen to the spell check? I have a great vocabulary but can't spell worth a dang? It used to come on automatically but doesn't anymore. Does anyone know how to turn it back on?

Disclaimer: The above is moo. I have formed mo from MSM. If anyone has not read the MSM regarding the DV let me know and I will provide the links. Tia.