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[Arnie M]

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Re: Joseph Brant

First of all , it was CM who claimed the ancestry , and I doubt he would make such a public statement if not true (magazine)

Second of all , take a portrait of Joseph Brant beside Carl M. and there is a very strong resemblance (unique facial features) ... I did that last year and they certainly look "related" ... and WM & DM (facial features) also have those traits

I believe Joseph Brant had 9 children from different wives (one wife USA , the other Canada) (Brant fled USA - war)

7 of those children were in the Niagara - Brandford area , same general area as the Millards , I believe what Carl said , they are related , probably Joseph Brant is Carl's great great great grandfather.

I would call that a direct descendant.

trivia: Mohawks are very proud of their heritage , and are somewhat famous for having no fear of heights (building New York Skyscrapers) ... I wonder if that (lack of fear) applies to being a pilot too .... Carl was always happy to be far above the ground.

 

[Juballee]

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Re: Joseph Brant

First of all , it was CM who claimed the ancestry , and I doubt he would make such a public statement if not true (magazine)

Second of all , take a portrait of Joseph Brant beside Carl M. and there is a very strong resemblance (unique facial features) ... I did that last year and they certainly look "related" ... and WM & DM (facial features) also have those traits

I believe Joseph Brant had 9 children from different wives (one wife USA , the other Canada) (Brant fled USA - war)

7 of those children were in the Niagara - Brandford area , same general area as the Millards , I believe what Carl said , they are related , probably Joseph Brant is Carl's great great great grandfather.

I would call that a direct descendant.

trivia: Mohawks are very proud of their heritage , and are somewhat famous for having no fear of heights (building New York Skyscrapers) ... I wonder if that (lack of fear) applies to being a pilot too .... Carl was always happy to be far above the ground.

Thanks Arnie, I fully agree with you that there is no need to impeach CM's good character by accusing him of crating a BS story, and I really hope that this can put to rest any other insinuations that diminish the Millard's obviously proud Native heritage.
MOO

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Yes it is a good thing. And I would hope the writer knew the deceased since he claimed to be his son. I just don't get the vibe from the writing that he was all that emotionally attached. Just my opinion though.

Mavbe, DM was in a bad position to feel only 100% grief, because he felt jilted by a 6 million dollar project, for which he did not want to be responsible. At some point DM said, he was angry about his father. Nevertheless he loved him and I'm able to read that in his obituary.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Millard comes by his pioneer spirit naturally. By the age of 18, the young Carl – a direct descendant of Chief Joseph Brant – had started his first business. It was a grist mill and feed store in his rural home town of Ingersoll, Ontario. After three years he had saved enough money for flying lessons and bought his first aircraft even before his first solo flight. Tom Williams – a First World War Canadian fighter pilot and holder of one of the earliest issued Canadian pilot’s licences – was his instructor back then. He continued to run the mill and feed business for another five years, during which he worked to upgrade his piloting skills.
- See more at: https://www.wingsmagazine.com/rebel-with-a-cause-544#sthash.XcNYBq4a.dpuf

 

[Deleted member 102539]

http://metronews.ca/news/kitchener/674559/dellen-millards-hangar-from-jetliners-to-police-tape/

He remembers the accused as a “reasonable guy to talk to, very businesslike in his approach.”

“It surprises me,” Nicholson said. “There was nothing in any indication in my contact with Dellen that he would have been capable of something like this.”

Dellen was “a nice young guy, kind of hit it off with him. We both drove nice pickup trucks so we were talking about our trucks.” Nicholson said Dellen did not put on airs or behave like a child of wealth or privilege.

Nicholson recalls that events moved quickly in the spring of 2011. A few months earlier, Dellen Millard had called Nicholson from 2548 Roseville Rd., dialing the number on the For Sale sign and introducing himself.

Millard explained his interest in the farm, a 46-hectare property with an old barn, but no residence. Nicholson met him to walk the property. Millard eventually explained that he planned to build a house there for himself and his fiancée. “He was discussing, ‘where do you think is a good spot?’ ”

They met several times at the farm, joined sometimes by Dellen’s father Wayne Millard, president of family business Millardair. The father has since passed away.

Nicholson learned that the family was relocating its aviation business from Toronto to the regional airport.

“I often met them at the airport, because they were negotiating at the same time with the management (at the airport) to get a piece of land to build a hangar on,” he recalls.

The Millards would meet with Nicholson at the airport café and afterward meet with others, including airport manager Chris Wood, to discuss hangar plans.



http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...arged-with-killing-tim-bosma/article12009016/

The real-estate agent, Bruce Nicholson, recalled a business-savvy young man who never flaunted his money and had a keen eye for trucks, including Mr. Nicholson’s new Chevy Avalanche. “We talked, you know, how do you like yours? What’s it got? You know, like guys do about their trucks. It was always quite easy and friendly,” Mr. Nicholson said.

For Mr. Nicholson, the story doesn’t add up, especially the part about Mr. Millard allegedly stealing Mr. Bosma’s six-year-old truck, “when he can write a cheque for a half a dozen new ones,” he said.

One friend of Mr. Millard’s girlfriend shared the impression of him as a modest man who acted neither spoiled nor particularly well-off. “He’s a soft-spoken sort of a guy,” said the friend, who cannot be named due to a publication ban. “I didn’t even know he had money. He never acted like it.”

 

[matou]

People make untrue statements about themselves all the time. There are no photos of Joseph Brant, only portraits with which to compare. Also, claiming First Nations ancestry is done often. Mohawk people have fear like anyone else. This is a romanticized view of Mohawk people. I believe this appropriation of that idealism likely started with CM with his claim. Why make a claim like that for a magazine article anyway? If true, what does it have to do with his life or business? I still call BS. JMO

 

[SnooperDuper]

Thanks Arnie, I fully agree with you that there is no need to impeach CM's good character by accusing him of crating a BS story, and I really hope that this can put to rest any other insinuations that diminish the Millard's obviously proud Native heritage.
MOO

But on the pilots forum AVCANADA, they say CM was full of BS stories.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I think a guy like CM, a maker of the very first hour and focused on flying and technology and making money, but very frugal, concerned his standard of living, didn't tell falsehoods. But his experiences were so far back that the younger might not have believed some of his impressive success stories.

 

[Arnie M]

But on the pilots forum AVCANADA, they say CM was full of BS stories.

I have never read that on AVCANADA , and I have been a member there since 2004

 

[hopingforjustice]

Has DP had a change of heart since he has seen all the evidence? Is he the one stalling the agreement to represent? JMO

“I never take a case without thinking I can win it,” the 50-year-old lawyer says. ”

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2...deepak_paradkar_i_treat_trials_like_wars.html

 

[Juballee]

But on the pilots forum AVCANADA, they say CM was full of BS stories.

If it is on a forum where this is said, surely a link or a screen shot can prove that some other people are also of the opinion that a man who died long ago may have been full of BS. But unless the link also states that he out and out lied about having a First Nations background, I still personally think that it is highly offensive to constantly deny someone their ancestry.

We have some proof that DM did DNA tests to research his ancestry, so obviously he went above and beyond the normal family tree inquiries and paid money for some real factual results, and personally I put that above someone's personal opinion that Grandpa was also a story teller and must therefore be a liar about his family history.

Generally, when people have someone famous in their family tree, it's something that they talk about amongst themselves, and they pass that knowledge down with pride. It's not as if he is claiming he invented the question mark, he's claiming an ancestor that can most likely be traced officially.

I'm not sure what the point is in denying someone their First Nations heritage is, but the First Nations people have been marginalized and diminished enough without need to be further minimalized, in my opinion. I am personally proud of my background and would take it as a slap in the face if someone called it and my grandfather's history BS. I think that if some still have the opinion that a Native background is BS, it would be far more polite to let past expressions of opinion speak instead of continuing to reiterate the same opinion without factual support in the way of links to MSM. We can and did quote several MSM articles that support the claim for Native heritage, let's agree to disagree if that's not enough, respectfully.

 

[swedie]

Has DP had a change of heart since he has seen all the evidence? Is he the one stalling the agreement to represent? JMO

“I never take a case without thinking I can win it,” the 50-year-old lawyer says. ”

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2...deepak_paradkar_i_treat_trials_like_wars.html

Let's say that if DP stays on, there's still money to be had. Highly doubtful he would drop the case even if he knew his client was guilty, guilty, guilty. There's gold in them thar hills ya know :laugh:

 

[swedie]

If it is on a forum where this is said, surely a link or a screen shot can prove that some other people are also of the opinion that a man who died long ago may have been full of BS. But unless the link also states that he out and out lied about having a First Nations background, I still personally think that it is highly offensive to constantly deny someone their ancestry.

We have some proof that DM did DNA tests to research his ancestry, so obviously he went above and beyond the normal family tree inquiries and paid money for some real factual results, and personally I put that above someone's personal opinion that Grandpa was also a story teller and must therefore be a liar about his family history.

Generally, when people have someone famous in their family tree, it's something that they talk about amongst themselves, and they pass that knowledge down with pride. It's not as if he is claiming he invented the question mark, he's claiming an ancestor that can most likely be traced officially.

I'm not sure what the point is in denying someone their First Nations heritage is, but the First Nations people have been marginalized and diminished enough without need to be further minimalized, in my opinion. I am personally proud of my background and would take it as a slap in the face if someone called it and my grandfather's history BS. I think that if some still have the opinion that a Native background is BS, it would be far more polite to let past expressions of opinion speak instead of continuing to reiterate the same opinion without factual support in the way of links to MSM. We can and did quote several MSM articles that support the claim for Native heritage, let's agree to disagree if that's not enough, respectfully.

This has got nothing to do with anyone criticizing Natives Juballee. I myself am Métis FYI. Please do not turn this into something it is not. This is about finding/figuring out whether DM is a direct descendant of Chief Joseph Brant. I have yet to read anything on this subject where someone has been critical or rude in whole of Natives. If CM lied to his grandson about his heritage, then he lied and has nothing to do with him being native period. People from all walks of life lie plan and simple. MOO.

No offense but unless someone can prove otherwise, I really think maybe it's time to drop it because it's completely irrelevant other than the possibility that DM has disgraced the Brant family legacy. But that's JMO.

 

[matou]

Well I think DM may have created the story for the Wings article. That article was written after CMs death.

It is dated Sept 28 2007: https://www.wingsmagazine.com/rebel-with-a-cause-544

The AV forum in which DM posts on May 12 2007 r.e. CM. Notice the writing style: http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/view...sid=6b3f7e6bc2da6a514026f1e44ba9af5a&start=25

CM died November 26 2006. So who gave the info about being related to a War Chief? I think this is fabricated info, likely by his own grandson. http://v1.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/Deaths.20061125.93074074/BDAStory/BDA/deaths

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Well I think DM may have created the story for the Wings article. That article was written after CMs death.

It is dated Sept 28 2007: https://www.wingsmagazine.com/rebel-with-a-cause-544

The AV forum in which DM posts on May 12 2007 r.e. CM. Notice the writing style: http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/view...sid=6b3f7e6bc2da6a514026f1e44ba9af5a&start=25

CM died November 26 2006. So who gave the info about being related to a War Chief? I think this is fabricated info, likely by his own grandson. http://v1.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/Deaths.20061125.93074074/BDAStory/BDA/deaths

bbm

September 28, 2007 Written by Rob Seaman
RS seems to have visited CM personally. He tells about his encounter with CM: "One day I even stopped by and asked Mr. Millard if I could look around a bit. He went me one further, and dropped what he was doing to conduct the tour himself." And so on ...............
"Just about to turn 92, Carl is in the office and very much involved with his business each and every day. He still shows the determination and enterprising spirit that drove his firm to many industry firsts."

- See more at: https://www.wingsmagazine.com/rebel-with-a-cause-544#sthash.iPA04slc.dpuf

 

[Deleted member 102539]

What about the accident with the old worker, who fell from a platform in MA's hangar in the presence of DM years ago??

 

[Juballee]

Well I think DM may have created the story for the Wings article. That article was written after CMs death.

It is dated Sept 28 2007: https://www.wingsmagazine.com/rebel-with-a-cause-544

The AV forum in which DM posts on May 12 2007 r.e. CM. Notice the writing style: http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/view...sid=6b3f7e6bc2da6a514026f1e44ba9af5a&start=25

CM died November 26 2006. So who gave the info about being related to a War Chief? I think this is fabricated info, likely by his own grandson. http://v1.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/Deaths.20061125.93074074/BDAStory/BDA/deaths

If that was the case, DM must have had a job, as a reporter or writer. One more great accomplishment for an ambitious young man, having a full article published at the age of 22. I wonder why it would be published under someone else's name then?

If this author's writing style is so comparable to DM's, then I guess the writing style of the obit wasn't that weird, if magazines find it acceptable enough to publish.

The idea that his First Nations heritage is fabricated has been disproven here by numerous MSM articles, I doubt DM wrote them all.

 

[Sillybilly]

CM died November 26 2006. So who gave the info about being related to a War Chief?

<rsbm>

It was CM who gave the info to Seaman in 2005:

from:
http://www.cbc.ca/m/touch/news/story/1.1331731

Millard's grandfather, Carl, was a Canadian aviation legend. He started his own charter airline in 1954, Rob Seaman wrote in Wings Magazine in 2005. Before that, Carl had been a pilot for Trans-Canada Air Lines, which became Air Canada.

Millard also told Seaman that he was "a direct descendant of Chief Joseph Brant," the Mohawk leader who aided the British forces during the American Revolution in the mid-1700s.

 

[SnooperDuper]

If the Millards were direct descendants of Brant, why were they not living on the reservation in Brantford?

 

[Sillybilly]

If the Millards were direct descendants of Brant, why were they not living on the reservation in Brantford?

Having native ancestry doesn't mean you have to live on a reserve.