Related Issues and Food for Thought

[Juballee]

I have a feeling that no matter what words DM choose, some people would still find a reason to criticize it. But I still agree with you, FromGermany, obits are about the deceased, not the ones who write them. Those words might still be a comfort to those who loved WM, and to criticize them is in bad taste in my opinion.

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[Kamille]

I have a feeling that no matter what words DM choose, some people would still find a reason to criticize it. But I still agree with you, FromGermany, obits are about the deceased, not the ones who write them. Those words might still be a comfort to those who loved WM, and to criticize them is in bad taste in my opinion.

And for what it's worth I find your language skills better than many here who were likely born here.

It's being criticized because he allegedly murdered the man he wrote it about. He wouldn't need to try to comfort those who loved WM if he hadn't shot him in the eye....allegedly. Writing the obit for the person you murdered would be considered in bad taste IMO.


MOO

 

[Juballee]

So I guess that means that if he is found not guilty of murdering WM, the words will magically change their meanings to become an innocent obituary again, and again they can be a comfort to those who loved WM. But in the meantime, don't anyone dare take comfort in those words, they themselves are still suspect as well!

MOO

 

[Kamille]

So I guess that means that if he is found not guilty of murdering WM, the words will magically change their meanings to become an innocent obituary again, and again they can be a comfort to those who loved WM. But in the meantime, don't anyone dare take comfort in those words, they themselves are still suspect as well!

MOO

Nope. It would still read like an odd, stilted obituary with very little "feeling" in it. Like something badly written by a person who vaguely knew the deceased and what he was interested in.

MOO

 

[Juballee]

Good thing we are all entitled to our own opinions. Personally, I'm pretty sure the writer knew the deceased.

 

[Kamille]

Good thing we are all entitled to our own opinions. Personally, I'm pretty sure the writer knew the deceased.

Yes it is a good thing. And I would hope the writer knew the deceased since he claimed to be his son. I just don't get the vibe from the writing that he was all that emotionally attached. Just my opinion though.

 

[swedie]

Nope. It would still read like an odd, stilted obituary with very little "feeling" in it. Like something badly written by a person who vaguely knew the deceased and what he was interested in.

MOO

I agree Kamille, the obit is cold and I get a sense DM taking digs at WM. JMO.

-DM would not cooperate with WM and they fought?
-WM was frugal with himself and DM?
-Maybe DM was racist? Was WM afraid of DM for that?
-If WM was a heavy drinker and being carefree as some people are while drinking, did DM criticize or give him a hard time about his drinking?
-I believe its been stated somewhere WM did not speak five languages.
-He was patient with DM but refused to give into him?
-He was a good man and DM was careless and heartless and took his father's life.
ALL JMO.

His hope was for a time when cooperation would be the norm and competition was only friendly. He was frugal with himself and generous to others. The only people he feared were racists. He would answer a question with a story. He stepped carefully while advocating carefreeness. He could read and write five languages. He was patient and stubborn. He admired Christ, Gandhi and Lindbergh. He believed animal welfare was a humanitarian effort. He was a good man in a careless world - See more at:
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/thestar/obituary.aspx?pid=161695472#fbLoggedOut

 

[matou]

I'm also going to put this out there: I really doubt the family's claim of being a direct descendant of Mohawk Chief Joseph Brant or ANY Mohawk for that matter. I call BS on all of that.

About the languages, which five languages did WM speak and write? BS. As far as that goes for DM, I heard DM speak French in a video on one of his trips and he couldn't even pronounce his friend's name. The language skill obviously didn't pass over from father to son. JMO

 

[SnooperDuper]

I think in the obit DM was mocking the fact that WM was CM's #1 groupie. It was WM's emotion for CM that led him to pay $30k for CM's obit and invest all he had in the legend-of-CM inspired MRO project...that failed.

I think DM mocks the $30k obit with his own discount version.

 

[Alethea Dice]

I'm also going to put this out there: I really doubt the family's claim of being a direct descendant of Mohawk Chief Joseph Brant or ANY Mohawk for that matter. I call BS on all of that.

About the languages, which five languages did WM speak and write? BS. As far as that goes for DM, I heard DM speak French in a video on one of his trips and he couldn't even pronounce his friend's name. The language skill obviously didn't pass over from father to son. JMO

It was CM who claimed to be a descendant of Chief Joseph Brant. Are we now going to trash CM too, just because we can?

https://www.wingsmagazine.com/rebel-with-a-cause-544

I wonder how someone knows better how to pronounce a name than that person's friend does. Is that kind of like writing the number 7 the way the French tend to do it?

JMO

 

[swedie]

Given the terrible, ungrammatical prose in the strange obituary that Millard wrote for his father &#8212; who, among other things, didn&#8217;t read and write five languages, as his son maintained &#8212; it&#8217;s also striking to see the Star describe Dellen Millard as &#8220;articulate&#8221; and, all the more so given that nothing in quotation marks reflects that choice of adjective.

http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/tag/dellen-millard/page/3

 

[Juballee]

Sometimes when we idolize our fathers, they seem larger than life to us. We will spend $30k to immortalize them in the paper for posterity, or we will believe them when they tell us how great they are. Sometimes exaggerations we tell our children become legends to them that come to define who we are in their eyes. Our history comes from them, and often they are the only sources for it, so if later it turns out that they were off on some things, to me that is to be expected. Oral histories histories tend to be enhanced regularly, in my opinion.

 

[matou]

It was CM who claimed to be a descendant of Chief Joseph Brant. Are we now going to trash CM too, just because we can?

https://www.wingsmagazine.com/rebel-with-a-cause-544

I wonder how someone knows better how to pronounce a name than that person's friend does. Is that kind of like writing the number 7 the way the French tend to do it?

JMO

LOL! He CAN'T pronounce his friend's name at all. How hard is that to understand? He's horrible. I call BS on the Brant lineage unless it is proven. Not trashing CM, but I have to call BS. JMO

 

[Kamille]

Sometimes when we idolize our fathers, they seem larger than life to us. We will spend $30k to immortalize them in the paper for posterity, or we will believe them when they tell us how great they are. Sometimes exaggerations we tell our children become legends to them that come to define who we are in their eyes. Our history comes from them, and often they are the only sources for it, so if later it turns out that they were off on some things, to me that is to be expected. Oral histories histories tend to be enhanced regularly, in my opinion.

If I tell my children tomorrow than I have descended from Queen Victoria, and therefore they have too, it would be a lie. Not an exaggeration.

MOO

 

[Kamille]

Given the terrible, ungrammatical prose in the strange obituary that Millard wrote for his father — who, among other things, didn’t read and write five languages, as his son maintained — it’s also striking to see the Star describe Dellen Millard as “articulate” and, all the more so given that nothing in quotation marks reflects that choice of adjective.

http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/tag/dellen-millard/page/3

I've seen the jailhouse letters as well. DM is not articulate, intelligent, well educated etc. He can barely write the English language.

MOO

 

[Alethea Dice]

I've seen the jailhouse letters as well. DM is not articulate, intelligent, well educated etc. He can barely write the English language.

MOO

:laughing:

 

[swedie]

If I tell my children tomorrow than I have descended from Queen Victoria, and therefore they have too, it would be a lie. Not an exaggeration.

MOO

And don'tcha think that if your children found it interesting enough to blab to others about, they would/should do some research to find out the truth before it makes its way into history books? Hehehe. Wasn't DM on Ancestory.com? :thinking:

 

[Juballee]

If I tell my children tomorrow than I have descended from Queen Victoria, and therefore they have too, it would be a lie. Not an exaggeration.

MOO

If you want to lie to your children about their background, that's up to you, but it doesn't mean that everyone else does. I believe what CM claimed and until I see proof otherwise, I think that we should respect their native heritage and stop trying to disenfranchise them and deny them their ancestry, in my opinion.

 

[swedie]

If you want to lie to your children about their background, that's up to you, but it doesn't mean that everyone else does. I believe what CM claimed and until I see proof otherwise, I think that we should respect their native heritage and stop trying to disenfranchise them and deny them their ancestry, in my opinion.

Could you please provide the link where CM claimed this information? TIA.

 

[Juballee]

Could you please provide the link where CM claimed this information? TIA.

Apparently it was in "Wings" magazine.

"His grandfather was portrayed in swashbuckling fashion in a profile written in Wings Magazine, where he was described as a "rebel" and a "direct descendant" of Mohawk Chief Joseph Brant."


http://www.thespec.com/news-story/2...abusive-exploitive-and-a-risk-taker-profiler/