Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 1/22 thru 1/26 Break

[cindymac]

How much personal effects could she actually have had to warrant a UHaul rental truck to move back to Yreka? I figured all her possessions would fit in the backseat of the BMW.

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From what Bill Arias said to Det. Flores, it sounds like Arias said she had enough to justify a UHaul, but once she had one - courtesy of her mother's wallet - she decided that she was going to leave most of her things in storage, in Mesa.

Reality? As she'd always been living in shared and presumably furnished accommodation, and was typically broke, my guess would be that you're quite right: that she had the bare minimum of possessions, didn't have a storage locker and certainly didn't need a UHaul. IMO, the only reason she got one was to add drama to the situation - to make it seem like she'd laid down roots in Mesa, and that moving back to CA was a really big deal.

Then, when she's got a U-Haul, she says she's decided to leave all this (mythical) stuff in storage. IMO she wanted (a) an excuse to go back there, and (b) to make it seem like it was no big deal if and when (and most likely when) she decided to live there again. After all, it would look really odd (desperately stalker-like) to appear to be dragging "all her stuff" to CA and then back to Mesa again.

BILL ARIAS: "... And when she moved here, we gave her, my wife went -- took time off work, went down there, rented her a U-haul, put out $2,500 to bring her back here. And what is she doing? She`s leaving all her crap in the storage room. She didn't care. She was going to leave it there. We paid for it to come here...."

 

[DebinGA]

Reading it, I thought for sure it was written by her. Imagine my surprise when I see it was written by a licensed attorney. :facepalm:

Nurmi, no less, but it reads like pure JA. The relationship is described as "chaotic" several times, but I didn't see "abuse/abusive". One oddity was mentioning Lisa Andrews' letter to TA about his being too-sexual-with-her complaint, followed by mention of his dating Mimi: "Ms. Mimi Hall described how she was dating Mr. Alexander and how during this time period he described Ms. Arias as a stalker." So what? And how did JA know that unless she'd accessed his emails/texts from CA?

 

[Hope4More]

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Thought I'd add this to keep it all together - what she told Det. Flores:

DF: Yeah.
JA: and even when things were bad between us, he was always…he would give his last…He would give his last dollar…his last whatever. He um…He was selling me his BMW, and I was actually supposed to e-mail

DF: Yeah, you mentioned that. You kind of burned it out or something.
JA: Yeah. Well, you said you found my check…in his house?

1:06:52
DF: A check…Oh yeah…the check that you gave him for a payment.
JA: Yeah. I made…Um…I guess like I…it’s just so dumb, like it seems so unimportant but I guess I need to know if that check (giggles) is going to be deposited any time soon?

1:07:07
DF: No. No. After his death it can’t be deposited. So…
JA: Really…?

DF: Yeah.
1:07:12
JA: Okay. Well, then I’ll just consider that…whatever and I’ll still owe him the full balance until they figure out what they‘re going to do. Honestly, I trashed his car and he took it so well. Um…we were trying to figure out between my lawyers and his lawyers and Prepaid Legal and the insurance and U-Haul who was going to be held liable and, you know, it didn’t matter who was held liable, the fact was, that was a debt that I promised to pay and it’s just money and it isn’t worth, you know anything so um…I mean as far as him getting any (?) tensions over so um…He would never…He never had any doubt that I would pay him back but he was trying to do what was difficult because he was trying to um…work with the insurance um…to hold U-Haul accountable over how it had all gone down. He said the engine just blew up

1:07:57
DF: Now the vehicle was still in his name, correct?
JA: Yeah. He still has the… He was going to hold the title until I paid it, the balance in full.

DF: Okay. Did you guys have a written contract or anything?
JA: I had yeah … what I did is I typed out an e-mail to him and I sent it and um…I just wrote back, “Just reply, I agree if you agree with this,” and he wrote back um…something about you didn’t say anything about you’re on your own insurance and so I said, Okay and amended that, I think, and then wrote back to him, and so that was our agreement. Our agreement was I pay him what I can each month until the balance is paid off, and I…I take care of general maintenance like oil changes and tires and things like that.

1:08:30
DF: I don’t know what’s going on with that, with his car or anything or if it’s still at the shop, but his family
JA: I think it’s sitting there collecting dust um…
DF: Yeah, his family is dealing with that because it’s still considered one of his assets and it goes in…

1:08:42
JA: Oh…
DF: you know, so…

1:08:45
JA: Yeah, and I was told, and I probably shouldn’t have done this, but I didn’t know who to get a hold of or who was doing what and I should have asked Dan first but I e-mailed his sister, Tanisha, on MySpace, and I was like, just sent her my condolences and the next paragraph I was like you know, it’s really hard but I owe Travis this amount of money and I know that at one point I’ll need to settle this debt…you know that kind of thing, but if you need to be in contact with me, this is my phone number and she didn’t get back to me and um…you know…

1:09:14
DF: Well, you know when a death occurs like this everything has got to go to probate anyway…
JA: Yeah, and I realize now but there’s a Mike Chapman the executor of his will and so I did get in touch with him yesterday and he said um…just give me all the information you have on that matter and then we’ll go from there and decide what’s going to happen.

Thanks for putting those two pieces together. So she uses the BMW as an excuse to torment Tanisha, tells Flores that Travis intended to sell it to her, and tells Travis' executor that Travis had outright given it to her? doesn't begin to describe her.

 

[Hope4More]

Nurmi, no less, but it reads like pure JA. The relationship is described as "chaotic" several times, but I didn't see "abuse/abusive". One oddity was mentioning Lisa Andrews' letter to TA about his being too-sexual-with-her complaint, followed by mention of his dating Mimi: "Ms. Mimi Hall described how she was dating Mr. Alexander and how during this time period he described Ms. Arias as a stalker." So what? And how did JA know that unless she'd accessed his emails/texts from CA?

Nurmi didn't write that. She did.

 

[Nali87]

From what Bill Arias said to Det. Flores, it sounds like Arias said she had enough to justify a UHaul, but once she had one - courtesy of her mother's wallet - she decided that she was going to leave most of her things in storage, in Mesa.

Reality? As she'd always been living in shared and presumably furnished accommodation, and was typically broke, my guess would be that you're quite right: that she had the bare minimum of possessions, didn't have a storage locker and certainly didn't need a UHaul. IMO, the only reason she got one was to add drama to the situation - to make it seem like she'd laid down roots in Mesa, and that moving back to CA was a really big deal.

Then, when she's got a U-Haul, she says she's decided to leave all this (mythical) stuff in storage. IMO she wanted (a) an excuse to go back there, and (b) to make it seem like it was no big deal if and when (and most likely when) she decided to live there again. After all, it would look really odd (desperately stalker-like) to appear to be dragging "all her stuff" to CA and then back to Mesa again.

BILL ARIAS: "... And when she moved here, we gave her, my wife went -- took time off work, went down there, rented her a U-haul, put out $2,500 to bring her back here. And what is she doing? She`s leaving all her crap in the storage room. She didn't care. She was going to leave it there. We paid for it to come here...."

I think she might have had some stuff that would require a U-Haul but she wasn't planning to stay in Yreka for long. This whole moving-thing was supposed to make Travis realize that he just couldn't live without her. He'd end up apologizing to her and everything would be perfect. The move was supposed to be just temporary, just so Travis could come to the realization that he wanted to be with her. I think that's why she left her stuff in Mesa. She planned on coming back.

 

[daisydomino]

Did you catch the part where she says "my lawyer called you a for the state"? That's real classy, Wilmott.

I don't know Ms. Wilmott or Mr. Nurmi at all, only from their work in this awful case, but I am skeptical that either of them actually said that. I absolutely do not believe either of them used those words. That's JA.

 

[MarVa]

Was Willmott her lawyer at that time though? Jodi wrote it to Ryan dated March 20, 2009. I think her attorney was Maria Schaffer back then.

Yeah, after I posted that I changed my mind and decided that it was the killer who actually said it. I guess I should have edited the post.

 

[Nali87]

I don't know Ms. Wilmott or Mr. Nurmi at all, only from their work in this awful case, but I am skeptical that either of them actually said that. I absolutely do not believe either of them used those words. That's JA.

I think the previous lawyer might have said some things lol. I remember JM not so subtle threat to expose what the previous DT was saying when they came and checked the laptop and I got the feeling that Maria S. isn't one that always thinks before she speak. And she also seemed a little bit rough around the edges. I could imagine her saying something like that.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Some believe after this letter that she is done and JM can just close his case. I don't want him to do that. I want this second jury to know every single detail, every word she has spoken, every sick thing she has done. I don't want there to be any doubt in her mind or in the minds of her sicko friends that she is getting the DP for a reason. I hope the court house and the streets are filled with people who stand up and cheer for Travis that day.

ETA: and another thing....I want someone to remind Zervakos every day for the rest of his sorry life that Travis's family has had to endure more suffering because of him!

 

[DebinGA]

Nurmi didn't write that. She did.

Sure reads like JA, but Nurmi signed it. I guess attorneys aren't allowed to add "P.S.: I didn't write this garbage".

 

[geevee]

JM forced an unwilling Geffner to admit yesterday that the PTSD triggering events (this trial, not last) were abuse + domestic violence. DeMarte noted that true PTSD sufferers avoid situations that "trigger" the triggering event/s. But, just as she said in her "fun-fun" voice mail to be just murdered TA, JA and Heather went to see Othello in early July (7-1 iirc).

Here's Jody looking happy as a clam as she poses with the actor who played Othello: http://a1.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/78/0e9560b3ccfd1ae01da5d7d8cf18b862/l.jpg ... JA captioned the pic "Shakespeare Festival. Ashland, OR. Peter [the black lead actor] makes a great Othello."

So less than a month after slaughtering Travis, JA is enjoying a play about a protagonist driven mad with jealously and rage by his "beloved" but supposedly (not) unfaithful spouse whom he's eventually driven to kill. No evidence at all her PTSD kicked in as she watched, enthralled enough to seek out "Othello" afterwards and pose for pics.

BBM

I believe the good doc would call that 'dissociation'. :facepalm:

 

[Hope4More]

I think she might have had some stuff that would require a U-Haul but she wasn't planning to stay in Yreka for long. This whole moving-thing was supposed to make Travis realize that he just couldn't live without her. He'd end up apologizing to her and everything would be perfect. The move was supposed to be just temporary, just so Travis could come to the realization that he wanted to be with her. I think that's why she left her stuff in Mesa. She planned on coming back.

You're right. Or maybe she hoped he'd see the light and not let her go at all. One of my favorite parts of Travis' journal is what he had to say about that whole show. Paraphrasing..." she keeps leaving, but she's always back here by the end of the day."

 

[daisydomino]

Yeah, after I posted that I changed my mind and decided that it was the killer who actually said it. I guess I should have edited the post.

I just realized that, LOL sorry!! I'm using my phone. I get confused where I am in the sequence of posts on the thread.

 

[Hope4More]

Sure reads like JA, but Nurmi signed it. I guess attorneys aren't allowed to add "P.S.: I didn't right this garbage".

I don't remember for sure but think she wrote it when pro per the first time around. She mentions in that pathetically reasoned and written fiction something about "even if the letters aren't admitted." She's referring to the pedo forgeries, and getting then admitted is why she went pro per. Nurmi was her stand by counsel. Maybe that's why he signed it?

 

[ZoeyW]

Some believe after this letter that she is done and JM can just close his case. I don't want him to do that. I want this second jury to know every single detail, every word she has spoken, every sick thing she has done. I don't want there to be any doubt in her mind or in the minds of her sicko friends that she is getting the DP for a reason. I hope the court house and the streets are filled with people who stand up and cheer for Travis that day.

ETA: and another thing....I want someone to remind Zervakos every day for the rest of his sorry life that Travis's family has had to endure more suffering because of him!

Juan Martinez has a comprehensive rebuttal planned. He has some of Travis' friends, certainly Dr. DeMarte, Dr. Hayes on his witness list, and he can expand that witness list right up until the last day if as and when he deems it necessary. There are millions of dollars invested, and years, he is going to pull out all the stops and leave it all on the floor. Travis Alexander's name he already cleared, now he is going to get Jodi Arias PUNISHED for the murder. At last!


Dr. Jill Hayes shut the front door on Jodi Arias and her lies
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...=3viRJVuxzKOmOs5Xg4Dsuw&bvm=bv.84349003,d.aWw

 

[Wolfpack Fan]

I still don't think all of the jurors will vote for the death penalty. I'm afraid that at least one person will feel sorry for Jodi.

 

[DebinGA]

Some believe after this letter that she is done and JM can just close his case. I don't want him to do that. I want this second jury to know every single detail, every word she has spoken, every sick thing she has done. I don't want there to be any doubt in her mind or in the minds of her sicko friends that she is getting the DP for a reason. I hope the court house and the streets are filled with people who stand up and cheer for Travis that day.

~rsbbm

Which things do y'all wish JM would bring up in rebuttal? Given the huge amount of focus/reading of the texts/emails, I wish the PT would provide an analysis of them and show that it was overwhelmingly JA initiating them and relentlessly dogging Travis until he responded. I'd like to know JA's job/residential history in Mesa, including why she got fired from Mimi's Cafe - a job she claims she enjoyed.

 

[geevee]

Sorry, to me, it looks like she's wearing dark socks?

Look at the very left above the two arrows, you can see her toes.

 

[kaRN]

Going back to JA's phonecalls to TA on the way to Utah, does anyone understand her reference to Othello, was it just a convenient ruse or another of her cryptic clues? The pic on the left is Othello from 2008.

http://ashlandoregonshakespeare.com/tag/othello/

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I always assumed it was one of the 1000 things to do before you die or are executed

 

[Luvrosco]

I still don't think all of the jurors will vote for the death penalty. I'm afraid that at least one person will feel sorry for Jodi.

Unfortunately, I agree with you. Let's hope we're wrong.