Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 1/29 thru 2/2 - Break

[josie1986]

I seen someone mention up thread that they wouldn't mind if jodi got life if she could have the solitary of DR...I've just been watching something about Donald Flagg who was sentenced to 8 life terms plus 166 years but also the judge did something called unique sentencing.

Where he sentenced Flagg to spend the first 10 years of his life sentence in solitary confinement.

Now,I think I could live with jodi not getting the DP is sherry could pull her socks up and do something like this.

 

[Lochlynsmom]

Just wondering, why would the evidence numbers be the shower pics from #141-160, then the ones just after the murder #161-163, and then after those the nude pics #164-169? Why would they put the shower and murder pics in the correct order chronologically and then dump in the nudes after them, when there's no way they could have happened that way, unless that's the order they came off the memory stick?

If I am not mistaken the exhibit numbers correlate to when they are entered into evidence, not how they come off the card?

 

[MeeBee]

Well if BPD is a mental illness I think some jurors might not want to give her the DP because they think she is sick. I thought in the trial, everyone played down that it was a mental illness. Or maybe that was Jodi not wanting anyone to think she had a mental illness.

I re watched Dr. DeMarte's testimony and you could tell Jodi was furious when DeMarte was diagnosing her. Looking down most of the time and scribbling.

I guess it depends on what you think should be mitigating. BPD did not cause her to plot the vicious murder of Travis. The only thing it did was affect how she viewed and handled her relationship with Travis.

 

[geevee]

Just wondering, why would the evidence numbers be the shower pics from #141-160, then the ones just after the murder #161-163, and then after those the nude pics #164-169? Why would they put the shower and murder pics in the correct order chronologically and then dump in the nudes after them, when there's no way they could have happened that way, unless that's the order they came off the memory stick?

I don't understand why that is either, since iirc the nudes were shown first in court, one would think the exhibit numbers of the nudes would be before the shower photos.

I did find the minute entry (8/10/11) pertaining to the 8 nude photos, judge ruled if there was concern about showing specific pics it could be decided at a bench conference (page 3, beginning 4th paragraph up from bottom):

http://www.courtminutes.maricopa.gov/docs/Criminal/082011/m4850972.pdf

There was also another minute entry (8/15/11) affirming this order (page 3, 5th paragraph from top):

http://www.courtminutes.maricopa.gov/docs/Criminal/082011/m4852390.pdf

 

[MeeBee]

Well if BPD is a mental illness I think some jurors might not want to give her the DP because they think she is sick. I thought in the trial, everyone played down that it was a mental illness. Or maybe that was Jodi not wanting anyone to think she had a mental illness.

I re watched Dr. DeMarte's testimony and you could tell Jodi was furious when DeMarte was diagnosing her. Looking down most of the time and scribbling.

I think the reason for that is because there is some debate on whether or not personality disorders should be considered mental illnesses. Some psychologists do and some don't. From what I've read, there are similar anomalies in the brain that occur in BPD and sociopathy. In BPD, the area of the brain that controls the regulation and control of emotion doesn't work. Similarly, in ASPD, the part that controls empathy and guilt and things that are lacking in sociopaths is smaller. I think Jodi has all of this going on. Can it really be a mental illness if the problem is physical?

 

[Hope4More]

I guess it depends on what you think should be mitigating. BPD did not cause her to plot the vicious murder of Travis. The only thing it did was affect how she viewed and handled her relationship with Travis.

Yep. The difference between those two things is a 1,000 mile drive. Which the DT has mentioned not at all.

 

[rose222]

Murderers suffering from Schizophrenia are often sentenced and put to death. I don't see why JA should be spared a death sentence because of her BPD or whatever it is that she has. She knew the difference between right and wrong and was of clear enough mind to shrewdly cover her tracks.

 

[geevee]

Horn did not tetsify in this part, right? Just gave an opinion to Juan? That's how I remember it.

So, again, they changed their opinion because Horn offered an opinion on order of wounds. Juan didn't have that before, just a theory, same as Flores.

I found one mention of Horn's interview on the docket (Note dated 5/05/11) but couldn't find the minute entry where it mentions anything about him being interviewed.

 

[Hope4More]

I think the reason for that is because there is some debate on whether or not personality disorders should be considered mental illnesses. Some psychologists do and some don't. From what I've read, there are similar anomalies in the brain that occur in BPD and sociopathy. In BPD, the area of the brain that controls the regulation and control of emotion doesn't work. Similarly, in ASPD, the part that controls empathy and guilt and things that are lacking in sociopaths is smaller. I think Jodi has all of this going on. Can it really be a mental illness if the problem is physical?

I think the fine distinctions about all this won't matter to the jury. It's impossible to look at her obsessive behavior and think she's "normal." They'll get that she's whacked in some way, whatever the label dueling experts want to stick on her.

IMO the more relevant question is whether or not they'll believe that she was abused as a child, by other boyfriends, and by Travis, and whether or not that abuse was severe enough to account for how whacked she is.

Even if they believe every last thing she's said about abuse, I don't see them believing that the thimbleful of abuse she's claiming can possibly explain why she didn't just leave and stay away.

 

[TexMex]

I definatlely think she deserves the DP. But AZ recently reversed the DP sentence of one of the killers of katiecoollady's sister. During appellate process his lawyers suddenly found evidence of mental retardation and brought in a grade school teacher of his to testify iirc.

 

[Steely Dan]

Murderers suffering from Schizophrenia are often sentenced and put to death. I don't see why JA should be spared a death sentence because of her BPD or whatever it is that she has. She knew the difference between right and wrong and was of clear enough mind to shrewdly cover her tracks.

I'm bipolar and I've never had a thought about killing someone or some animal. I hate that defense. It makes that mental illness seem like it's homicidal.

 

[DebinGA]

Too much good stuff in that 3 hr. interview to mention, and I stopped at 45:00. Example: In Jan. 2007 JA arrived unannounced and uninvited to the Hughes home, crying about TA's failure to commit to her. JA told them she'd gone into TA's email accounts (and likely others) and had all the messages to and from TA and other women forwarded to her. This was the genesis of the infamous email stream where Chris Hughes used the word "abusive" the DT has made so much of, but has never been shown in context.

Reposting this from yesterday to add to the "Is Jodi crazy?" discussion. Knowing the Hughes are among TA's closest friends, JA arrives at their house uninvited to complain of Travis's failure to commit to her. She volunteers without apology that she's hacked his social media accounts and had all the messages between TA and other women forwarded to her. Whatever "normal/sane" behavior is, that's not it. Yet, just like her post-murder letter to the Alexanders, JA doesn't see any problem in her own behavior. Is there a mental term for someone's who's so completely self-absorbed that she only "sees" people she believes can benefit her in some way and all others are invisible to her?

 

[cricket49]

I'm bipolar and I've never had a thought about killing someone or some animal. I hate that defense. It makes that mental illness seem like it's homicidal.

I agree. I have a family member who is bipolar and even though she has other issues, she is one of the kindest people I know. Most people with this illness can function fine in different aspects of society.

 

[cricket49]

I am having some really strange issues while posting. I will post and it will not save the post. Also, it will tell me I have to post more
than 5 words and I typed 30 words or so. Even though it will not save my post, I will get off the page and get back in and my comments are posted.

Is somebody messing with me?? :scared: :scared: :scared:

 

[Truth Detector]

If I am not mistaken the exhibit numbers correlate to when they are entered into evidence, not how they come off the card?

Correct

One of many sources: http://skreporting.com/attorneys-7-best-practices-for-marking-exhibits-in-a-deposition/

 

[Niner]

I know Jodi said she went to TA's that night to get her ss card in a box in his garage, but c'mon... she's had 10+ waitress jobs and filed taxes every year and a smart girl like her doesn't have her ssn committed to memory? And who really needs their physical card when filling out a job app? Regardless, what's the easiest way to access TA's garage at the front of the house? Ring the front door bell and wait for TA to come to the door, or go around to the back of the house where the sliding glass door is? She's such a sweet kid.

When she went back over to his house the next day to confront him, did she get her card then? No? You don't say! lolol

re bold - actually you do now-a-days... I got laid off in 2008, and applying for other jobs and had to have S.S. card with me when I got a job... at least in California!

 

[Truth Detector]

Murderers suffering from Schizophrenia are often sentenced and put to death. I don't see why JA should be spared a death sentence because of her BPD or whatever it is that she has. She knew the difference between right and wrong and was of clear enough mind to shrewdly cover her tracks.

Because she's a woman, and William Zervakos likes her.

That's why -- so far, at least.

 

[Truth Detector]

Reposting this from yesterday to add to the "Is Jodi crazy?" discussion. Knowing the Hughes are among TA's closest friends, JA arrives at their house uninvited to complain of Travis's failure to commit to her. She volunteers without apology that she's hacked his social media accounts and had all the messages between TA and other women forwarded to her. Whatever "normal/sane" behavior is, that's not it. Yet, just like her post-murder letter to the Alexanders, JA doesn't see any problem in her own behavior. Is there a mental term for someone's who's so completely self-absorbed that she only "sees" people she believes can benefit her in some way and all others are invisible to her?

BBM

Selfish hypocrite

 

[Truth Detector]

I am having some really strange issues while posting. I will post and it will not save the post. Also, it will tell me I have to post more
than 5 words and I typed 30 words or so. Even though it will not save my post, I will get off the page and get back in and my comments are posted.

Is somebody messing with me?? :scared: :scared: :scared:

You busted me.

 

[cricket49]

Because she's a woman, and William Zervakos likes her.

Exactly, I re watched the video yesterday of the friend of TA and he said Jodi had an air of sexuality and she used it. According to him most of the men fell for her flirting but the women saw right through it. He was the guy that TA referenced in one of the last emails to Jodi about her posting to his FB page that made her look like a . (forgot his name).