Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 1/29 thru 2/2 - Break

[Truth Detector]

Marc Magee & JA just can't get their lies straight. Here's a totally different description of TA from MM.

https://twitter.com/hashtag/jodiarias

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Oh, <modsnip> McGee?

Yeah, but what's a lying pedophile to do?

 

[Meemaw12]

Are you referring to this pic?

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No that I believe was taken in Utah

I'm still looking


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[josie1986]

ive spent the day watching juan cross jodi,she is really lucky she chit herself and didn't take the stand again.

one thing i did notice with the jury questions though and when when anyone is questioning her i guess...she asks for the question to be repeated to try and come up with an answer,well i think so anyway

 

[Val1]

It was Travis's memory stick for his brand new camera. Besides the pics from the day of the murder which had been deleted it had about 90 pics of Travis and friends and Napoleon which had not been deleted.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-mJ9A39cWyQ

The photos recovered were time stamped. The first set snapped in the early afternoon.

"Not only was he very much alive. He was involved in these photographs with a woman. And yes, they were both sinning, because they were going at it. They were nude and yes they were engaged in sexual relations in these photographs," said Martinez.

I must've missed that quote from JM(was it from redirect?), I watched most of the video and the only thing I heard JM state about the nude pics I quoted below after listening about 20 times to transcribe it correctly, the rest are from my notes gleaned from the video. I also didn't hear any specific mention of any other nude pics that we weren't shown.

Nothing on internal camera memory, all pics from memory stick.

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JM - "With regard to the items that were deleted were there some that involved Mr. Alexander in the shower?"
Det.M - "Yes."
JM - "Were there also some nudes that appeared people were involved in some sort of sexual activity?"
Det.M - "Yes."
JM - "Was it a man and a woman?"
Det.M - "Yes."
JM - "And then there were also three others that were at the end, right?"
Det.M - "Yes."
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Ex.#164-169. From Unallocated space, different from deleted.
Blurry pics are from thumbnails.

Dates and times created from Encase report:
164 - female full body/laying flat nude 1:42:53pm unallocated clusters

165 - female crotch/face down/butt up 1:44pm 6/4/08 unallocated clusters
-looks like there might be daylight coming through the window by the exercise machine

166 - male full nude/sleeping? bottle of personal lubricant(looks like vaseline lotion to me) large light blue bottle/blue top 1:44:50pm unallocated clusters
-can see light coming through the window by the exercise machine.

167 - male full nude/hand up blurry -large blue top/lightblue tv in background 1:47:15 unallocated clusters
-room looks quite bright with daylight

Can't tell what order these last two are compared to the others.
168 - female full body/laying propped up -blurry - small white bottle unallocated clusters no date/time
-room looks quite bright with daylight

169 - female crotch/back down unallocated clusters no date/time
-can't tell room brightness/close shot, looks like flash used
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Deleted images:
Dates and times put there by the camera itself.
Ex.#141-160 Shower pics. 06/04/08.
5:22pm - 5:30:30pm(face pic)

3 Inadvertent pics:
Ex.#161 - 5:31:14pm Ceiling
Ex.#162 - 5:32:16pm Dragged/Pantleg/foot on tile floor.
Ex.#163 - 5:33:32pm Dragged over floor baseboard?
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1:56:00
User used pc last at 4:54pm on June 4,2008.(for mail iirc)
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[Mindmatters]

Because JM and Mesa PD are convinced that the pics and the sex happened on June 4. There are sex pics of them together, but they haven't been publicized.

JA, her 'experts', and her counsel have not disputed it.

The prosecutor believes it, the detective believes it, and the Mesa PD computer forensics team who recovered the images no doubt also believe it.

Good enough for me.

Yes TD, I too believe there is unpublished evidence that they did have sex that day. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised is there is a video of them from that day.

 

[Val1]

I still believe gunshot was first. Occam's Razor.

There is also a damaged bathroom tile that to me, looks like a bullet ricocheted, which could of caused the bullet casing on top of the blood.

This is what I can picture what happened, and why else would she steal the gun?

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Sorry if this has been addressed but iirc the bullet didn't exit, unless you mean she shot at him twice and took the other casing with her?

 

[Val1]

Yes TD, I too believe there is unpublished evidence that they did have sex that day. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised is there is a video of them from that day.

Just wondering, why would the evidence numbers be the shower pics from #141-160, then the ones just after the murder #161-163, and then after those the nude pics #164-169? Why would they put the shower and murder pics in the correct order chronologically and then dump in the nudes after them, when there's no way they could have happened that way, unless that's the order they came off the memory stick?

 

[TexMex]

I must've missed that quote from JM(was it from redirect?), I watched most of the video and the only thing I heard JM state about the nude pics I quoted below after listening about 20 times to transcribe it correctly, the rest are from my notes gleaned from the video. I also didn't hear any specific mention of any other nude pics that we weren't shown.


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There were eight total nudes Flores report . Six (164-169) were entered.

 

[geevee]

The only reason the state changed it was because Juan asked Dr. Horn his medical opinion on the order of the wounds and Dr. Horn studied the autopsy and gave his opinion. So the state changed its opinion. The only reason sequencing even became important is because the defense tried to argue that because the shot came first then it was less cruel.

Juan's evidence is Horn's professional, medical opinion.

This is the minute entry of the evidentiary hearing referred to in my previous post, the only witness who testified is Det. Flores:

http://www.courtminutes.maricopa.gov/docs/Criminal/082009/m3834618.pdf

By the way, neither Victoria Washington nor Nurmi were on the case during that evidentiary hearing, Maria Schaffer was 1st chair and Gregory Parzych was the 2nd chair. Nurmi and Victoria Washington are on the ruling minute entry, as well as the other two. Nurmi has been most aggrieved about the State changing the order, which always surprises me as gunshot first seems worse, penalty-wise, for her than last.

P.S. I think Judge Duncan would have granted the aggravating factor no matter which order the State went with, there was an abundance of cruelty regardless of the order.

 

[Night-owl]

I was honestly flabbergasted when watching JW during the 1st trial. I could not believe how immature and terrible she was. She was so bad, it didnt even seem real. It seemed like a mock training trial in a college law class or something.

She reminded me of a rookie in her very first trial and I would get embarrassed for her at times. I got to where I was trying to yell advice to her through the TV. Mainly "Sit down, you've done enough damage".

The thing I recall the most though was how she slowly morphed her style into trying to act like Juan. LOL

It was so incredibly obvious and embarrassing to her. When Juan would cross a witness, she began using the exact same termed objections he had made to her while she was questioning the same witness. And then she would openly smirk and giggle like she won the lottery or something.

And in this phase, we are getting more of the same. There is no improvement whatsoever. Even though we cannot see her, we can tell just from the tweets that she is still wearing her emotions on her sleeve where all the Jurors can see them. She has no poker face or poker style at all. When she is itching to get her turn to say something, we can picture her squirming in her seat just like a high school kid who knows the answer to a teacher question....."pick me pick me".

This retrial phase is 1 trial that I think I will go back and watch the video whenever it becomes available. It would be worth it just to be able to watch JW make a fool of herself.

I honestly think she is just not cut out to be a trial lawyer. Especially of this magnitude with a murder trial. She can do fine in a support role but she just does not have the style to be effective. Its something you have to be born with and she just doesnt have "it".
Similar to how not everyone can be an actor, or a singer, or a musician. There are certain professions that I feel you have to be born with a certain "it" to become really good at "it". All the training and book smarts in the world will not give "it" to her.

To be honest, I think everyone on that defense team is suffering from having to work with Jodi and her merry band of wack-a-doodles. I'm sure she makes badly veiled threats on an hourly basis of what she's going to do if they don't follow her direction and get up there and talk trash about Travis. At some point you gotta say, "Whatevah..." and count down the days til you can drop her as a client faster than a radioactive potato, and then never look back. She is utterly unlikable as a person. I'm sure she's no better as a client.

 

[Steft50]

Is there court tomorrow?

 

[geevee]

It's all good. The gunshot first has always been a great debate.

But, Jodi did leave a camera in a washer, so she managed to do a half-a**ed clean-up job. She thought she took the casing, because she did not want it traced back to her grandparent's gun.

Which reminds me, was the bullet casing compared to the ammo at the grandparents, or was that stolen also?

If you look at this pic, to me it seems like the grey area is tile that has been damaged, and it is right next to casing.

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It is a good debate. I don't think the tile is damaged though, think that's done in the manufacturing, look to the left of the baseboard corner and just under the door stopper, you can see other imprints in the tile face. I sure would love to know what that grey thing is though.

 

[Meemaw12]

Is there court tomorrow?

Yes not sure of time though, in the am iirc


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[ElleElle]

No argument there.

That rush to judgment and the missing murder weapons were the primary weaknesses in the State's case, and it didn't suffer much from those.

She was found guilty by a jury of her peers and at least one now-not-so-secret admirer.

But since we're beyond the guilt phase it's irrelevant.

The jury needs to focus on the autopsy photos and her torture letter to the family.

BBM ~ I hear you. And, I still believe that sequence of events would not have saved her from getting 1st degree murder, because she still lied on where the gun came from. It did not come from his closet as she says.

 

[Val1]

There were eight total nudes Flores report . Six (164-169) were entered.

I don't see anywhere where it says anything other than there were provocative poses... maybe the missing two were showing the cavern... 8 total with 6 of JA and 2 of TA, nothing saying both were in any of them.

 

[MeeBee]

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "grazed" the brain, but if I understand you correctly, that's not what happened.

The bullet went directly into his brain, from the front, and passed through his brain to the other side of his head. It had to have, to have ended up where it did.

I also can't see any logical reason to dispute Dr. Horn's opinion that it would have been almost immediately incapacitating, given that there's no reason to suppose that Travis was immune to the immediate and inevitable trauma of a bullet passing throughthe brain - notably, massive shock waves and cavitation, rapid and extensive blood loss and brain swelling.

Imo, the only reason Arias has been "telling us all along" that she shot first, is because she found it impossible to create a stabbed-first self-defense narrative.

I know it went through the brain but based on the location of the entry and exit points, it probably didn't hit too much of it. It also went through the frontal lobe, which is an area of the brain that you can sustain damage to and still come out ok, unlike if it hits another more essential part of the brain. And, like I said, low calibre, old gun may not have done as much damage as a higher calibre. For it to just lodge in his cheek like that, that was a pretty weak gun.

And IMO, Travis was immediately incapitated, like Dr. Horn said, which is why he was barely able to fight for his life.

 

[Val1]

I know it went through the brain but based on the location of the entry and exit points, it probably didn't hit too much of it. It also went through the frontal lobe, which is an area of the brain that you can sustain damage to and still come out ok, unlike if it hits another more essential part of the brain. And, like I said, low calibre, old gun may not have done as much damage as a higher calibre. For it to just lodge in his cheek like that, that was a pretty weak gun.

And IMO, Travis was immediately incapitated, like Dr. Horn said, which is why he was barely able to fight for his life.

I think it was last, because weak or not, at close enough range to blast through someone forehead, that bullet must've ricocheted around at least some before resting where it did. Now if it had gone straight through and exited, then maybe I could see it not affecting all facilities right away.

 

[MeeBee]

This is the minute entry of the evidentiary hearing referred to in my previous post, the only witness who testified is Det. Flores:

http://www.courtminutes.maricopa.gov/docs/Criminal/082009/m3834618.pdf

By the way, neither Victoria Washington nor Nurmi were on the case during that evidentiary hearing, Maria Schaffer was 1st chair and Gregory Parzych was the 2nd chair. Nurmi and Victoria Washington are on the ruling minute entry, as well as the other two. Nurmi has been most aggrieved about the State changing the order, which always surprises me as gunshot first seems worse, penalty-wise, for her than last.

P.S. I think Judge Duncan would have granted the aggravating factor no matter which order the State went with, there was an abundance of cruelty regardless of the order.

Horn did not tetsify in this part, right? Just gave an opinion to Juan? That's how I remember it.

So, again, they changed their opinion because Horn offered an opinion on order of wounds. Juan didn't have that before, just a theory, same as Flores.

 

[Truth Detector]

I now believe it was first too. I can understand why Dr. Horn believes it was last, but I think this is one of those weird instances where something unusual happened. Jodi used an old gun that was already a low caliber. It his brain but it grazed it. The disorientation and confusion placed Travis at a severe disadvantage while trying to defend himself from the knife attack. The gun probably jammed or the gun hurt her hand. And imo, it doesn't change the cruelty of it. It actually makes it worse. Travis may have been able to fight her off if he hadn't been shot first.

The gun was first. Jodi has been telling us all along.

JODI ARIAS, MURDER DEFENDANT: He got down and grabbed my waist. But before he did that, he was lunging at me, the gun went off.

JUAN MARTINEZ, PROSECUTOR: If the gunshot were the first injury?

DR. KEVIN HORN, MEDICAL EXAMINER: It would have been very rapidly incapacitating.

JENNIFER WILLMOTT, JODI`S DEFENSE ATTORNEY: It would not be immediately fatal, right?

HORN: Probably rapidly fatal. Maybe not immediately. But certainly incapacitating very quickly.

ARIAS: He lunged at me and we fell.

MARTINEZ: Would he then have been able to get up under any circumstances and walk away?

HORN: No.

ARIAS: We were struggling and wrestling.

HORN: It requires coordination of most of the muscles to be able to stand and walk. And with a head injury, a brain injury, I don`t think he`s going to be able to do that.

ARIAS: He was getting on top of me.

HORN: The neurologic shock, incapacitation and unconsciousness.

Source: CNN.com


Kevin Horn, MD is qualified to examine, analyze, evaluate, assess and testify to this.

 

[TexMex]

I don't see anywhere where it says anything other than there were provocative poses... maybe the missing two were showing the cavern... 8 total with 6 of JA and 2 of TA, nothing saying both were in any of them.

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Maybe they were playing nude backgammon and using the KY to lubricate the board. :shame:
There were two not shown. If Juan says they had sex I trust him