Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 11/26 -12/02/14 In recess

[Truth Detector]

I too think the upside down license plate could have been an accident. Maybe she switched the plates in the dark and didn't notice she was putting it on upside down? It doesn't make sense for it to be deliberate because as you say, it would be more likely to attract attention.

I do not recall how she discovered the upside down plate...did she happen to see it while sitting in a Starbucks, or was she stopped by a traffic cop at some point? I do not recall anything she claimed about the discovery other than she was in Starbucks and the teenage skateboarding gang armed with screwdrivers came along and messed with her plates. I remember her claim that after they removed it they left it lying on the ground propped up at just the right angle for her to notice it there.

So...does anyone recall if Killer discovered the plates upside down or if someone else mentioned it to her?

IIRC Ryan Burns made the observation.

 

[Truth Detector]

Who knows with that sociopath. She seems to have gotten a lot of her material from movies.

And songs:

[video=youtube;PSu5nAQ7uZw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSu5nAQ7uZw[/video]

 

[janx]

The letter described 2 ninjas killing Travis. There would be no way for JM to argue that she was accurately describing the scene. She could also argue that Flores encouraged her to write the letter..a half-truth, but that's 50% more then she usually is good for.

IIRC, the Alexanders believe she described his suffering accurately...what sounds he made, his attempt to get away, his collapse. But all attributed to the ninjas.

Wow, I didn't even remember that she was still in the ninja phase then! :blushing:

 

[Luvrosco]

WOW!
Browsing for tweets describing Juan Martinez crossexamining James Aiken in the Bryan Hulsey case, and lord, what a difference between that judge and JSS.

Jen's Trial Diaries@TrialDiariesJ
Def starts to argue with Judge about Juan's questioning and Judge tells defense to stop right now. They r wasting jury's time

When's last time u looked at Dept. of Corr guidelines? Last week. Juan asks Aiken 2 look at him & Judge says no don't go there

No sidebar. Just keeping order in his courtroom. JSS could learn a thing or two.

I agree. With all due respect, I think she's allowed this court to turn into a circus. I'm not a lawyer, just a retired teacher, but that's my observation after watching the first trial and what's going on here. In my observation the convicted killer and her defense team controls the courtroom.

 

[Truth Detector]

I hope she gets the DP, but if not, LWOP is my second choice. Either way, she dies a prisoner. I also hope her last breath is long and excruciating for her. She deserves nothing less.

The concern is that she'll kill in prison.

If she lives long enough she will make the opportunity.

She will kill again.

 

[Truth Detector]

I'm betting he planned for her to be up there at least 2 weeks

Long enough for Zervakos II to forge a connection with her, that's for sure.

 

[tveyeonyou]

That was true until May 2008, when her "evilness" went over the line -- and he told her so.

He also told others that she was dangerous, and not to be surprised if he turned up dead.

“Travis came over to our house at least every week, we had family dinners and we would always ask him about, how’s his love life, who’s he dating and recently, at that time, he had decided to leave Jodi and explained that the next day he was going to leave in his car and his tires were slashed,” Dr. Hiatt said on HLN. “And the Sunday after that, he told us about it, and said, ‘Don’t be surprised if one of these Sundays, I don’t show up and you find me dead someplace.’
“And we all just thought, wow, she really must be mad. And he said, ‘I’m serious.’ And we said, ‘we got it’.

I've wondered about this. I don't remember if any of this was brought up in the first trial and if not, can it be brought up in this part of the trial?
I mean really, for Travis to say this to his friends and have exactly this happen to him, shouldn't it be allowed in court?

 

[Truth Detector]

You're probably right but I don't get it! They really want Jodi to get the death penalty. If the letter is so horrible it could actually lead Jodi to the DP. I don't understand why they wouldn't use it to help their cause. Maybe there's a legal reason it couldn't be entered; I know JM wasn't allowed to argue remorse right? Maybe the only way he could have introduced the letter was if he was allowed to talk remorse.

Maybe the Alexanders are just remaining quiet and keep everything trial related private until after sentencing as to not be accused to be influecing the trial.

Perhaps it's the opposite.

Maybe they think she wants it released in order to help humanize her to the jury.

You know, trolling for another Zervakos...

 

[katiecoolady]

Unless she did it in Utah just to be noticed by a cop, a Utah, alibi providing cop.

I think you just nailed it.

 

[katiecoolady]

And songs:

[video=youtube;PSu5nAQ7uZw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSu5nAQ7uZw[/video]

Poor Dido.

 

[Truth Detector]

I've wondered about this. I don't remember if any of this was brought up in the first trial and if not, can it be brought up in this part of the trial?
I mean really, for Travis to say this to his friends and have exactly this happen to him, shouldn't it be allowed in court?

TA couldn't personally testify to it, ergo hearsay.

Also, she was never charged with and convicted of the tire slashing.

The point of that testimony would go to the victim's mindset regarding her culpability/guilt.

And now she's already been convicted of especially cruel, premeditated murder one; there's no question about who did it.

The murderess even admitted it.

 

[Val1]

CMJA's DNA and even her blood mixed with Travis' blood was at the murder scene. If CMJA is both male and female, wouldn't that reflect in her DNA in the chromosomes? Then if it were reflected in her DNA, wouldn't it be a big point in court for the prosecution to state that the DNA recovered at the scene was extremely unusual and that it did belong to CMJA? The prosecution wouldn't have to even state why the DNA was so unusual; just that it was and it did belong to CMJA. (and we do know her DNA was at the scene)

I just do not believe that CMJA is anything other than just a misshapen ugly female! There is also a disease that I cannot remember the name of whereby the female might have very long fingers, big feet, and grow very tall. It is the disease we were thinking the mysterious Lori Ruff in Longview, Texas might have had.

MOO

BBM Since I don't know what kind of DNA analysis was used, all I can surmise is that if they had both a confession and a basic match from JA to that bloody hand print on the wall and the hair found in the bathroom, then perhaps deep medical analysis for anything else may not have been necessary? Don't forget, she had tried to clean up which may have compromised some of the samples beyond basic identity.

Anyway, if you want more info on DNA analysis:

http://nij.gov/topics/forensics/evidence/dna/basics/Pages/welcome.aspx

gives some basics, but for more clarity we would need someone who works with the Arizona PT to tell us whether there would be this kind of DNA analysis done or is this something that only someone looking for a medical condition would bother with.

 

[katiecoolady]

This is kind of random and should maybe go in the sidebar, but it also applies to the case as a whole and is something I've been wondering about for what seems like forever... (lol, I need to install an auto-Juan on my computer to say "ma'am" when I've been rambling for too long!)... Anyway, here's the thing: I just did a Google search for secure password generators. In the "related searches" list, at the bottom of the first screen of results, were (Ta da! My point!) a bunch of search phrases for hacker sites. I clicked and sure enough, and no surprise really, there are a ton of hacking sites out there. Guess I've just been incredibly naive about all this stuff.

So I wonder if part of what Jodi did in her copious, no-social-life-of-her-own, free time was go through hacker sites like these to get Travis' passwords. And I wonder if there's evidence of this on any of the hard drives that are being juggled around in this case.

I have a very good male friend who I will say, is pretty much a lothario/player whatever you want to call it but he's still a very good platonic friend of mine (and I might add very much like
Travis--charismatic, spiritual, a friend to everyone, giving, a great dad with really a way with women and ..anyway, he's like that and quite open about it). He was involved w/ a former friend of mine who I met through him a few years ago and they engaged in a "friends with benefits" situation for about two years. As I got to know her privately, I realized this was NOT the case for her and she was putting upwith it hoping he would finally "land" on her. He went along thinking this was a perfectly balanced and friendly situation for them both and continued dating other women some of whom she knew.
SHe finally had a meltdown of sorts and I was with her that weekend--she confessed to me she'd cyberstalked all the women he had dated, had access to all of his passwords, pin numbers, house security codes etc. He was still thinking she was copacetic with the entire arrangement but in reality she was basically psycho while smiling and acting normal in public. I was shocked when she said "there is not one drawer of pocket in an article of clothing in his house that I"ve not gone through. He has having her housesit for him when he went away on business!

When she confessed all of this to me I was in a serious situation--to repeat it to him, it was confidential, to tell anyone else...I just directed her to a freaking therapist which she did...the relationship ended. She gained access to his house while he was gone and chopped down all of his parsely of all things in his huge garden as he had once nicknamed her that. Psycho yes, dangerous no. But I realy couldn't blame him as she gained those passwords over his shoulder and in all kinds of sneaky subversive ways...when he'd had too much to drink, offering to get cash for him from an ATM, things like that. She just always seemed so "ok" on the outside. SOrry to ramble on but I couldn't help but think of her and how easy it all was to her and how he never knew any of ths was going on.
After the final breakup I just said to him "trust me on this--change all your passwords on everything" and he did. She got mad at me for staying friends with him (duh he was my friend first) and dumped me, thankfully. It was all so freaking awkward.
I'm sure Jodi employed similar sneaky maneuvers. I recently watched the early interview tapes w/ her parents and so much about her paranoia about THEM snooping onher...100% projection. I'm sure her stalking cyber and otherwise is far past what any of us know.

(sorry so long)

 

[janx]

I have a very good male friend who I will say, is pretty much a lothario/player whatever you want to call it but he's still a very good platonic friend of mine (and I might add very much like
Travis--charismatic, spiritual, a friend to everyone, giving, a great dad with really a way with women and ..anyway, he's like that and quite open about it). He was involved w/ a former friend of mine who I met through him a few years ago and they engaged in a "friends with benefits" situation for about two years. As I got to know her privately, I realized this was NOT the case for her and she was putting upwith it hoping he would finally "land" on her. He went along thinking this was a perfectly balanced and friendly situation for them both and continued dating other women some of whom she knew.
SHe finally had a meltdown of sorts and I was with her that weekend--she confessed to me she'd cyberstalked all the women he had dated, had access to all of his passwords, pin numbers, house security codes etc. He was still thinking she was copacetic with the entire arrangement but in reality she was basically psycho while smiling and acting normal in public. I was shocked when she said "there is not one drawer of pocket in an article of clothing in his house that I"ve not gone through. He has having her housesit for him when he went away on business!

When she confessed all of this to me I was in a serious situation--to repeat it to him, it was confidential, to tell anyone else...I just directed her to a freaking therapist which she did...the relationship ended. She gained access to his house while he was gone and chopped down all of his parsely of all things in his huge garden as he had once nicknamed her that. Psycho yes, dangerous no. But I realy couldn't blame him as she gained those passwords over his shoulder and in all kinds of sneaky subversive ways...when he'd had too much to drink, offering to get cash for him from an ATM, things like that. She just always seemed so "ok" on the outside. SOrry to ramble on but I couldn't help but think of her and how easy it all was to her and how he never knew any of ths was going on.
After the final breakup I just said to him "trust me on this--change all your passwords on everything" and he did. She got mad at me for staying friends with him (duh he was my friend first) and dumped me, thankfully. It was all so freaking awkward.
I'm sure Jodi employed similar sneaky maneuvers. I recently watched the early interview tapes w/ her parents and so much about her paranoia about THEM snooping onher...100% projection. I'm sure her stalking cyber and otherwise is far past what any of us know.

(sorry so long)

You bet it's beyond what we know. With JA, the obsession went farther than what you describe here, obviously, but the gist is similar. Your post was not too long.

 

[Val1]

About the license plate deal, I really wonder if she saw that tactic in a movie or TV show and mimiced it thinking it would somehow help her conceal her trip.

Wasn't the general consensus at the time of testimony re the license plate, that she had done it deliberately so as to have "proof" for her alibi that she had been in Utah... nowhere near the friend who wasn't answering her calls/texts in Mesa. :/

 

[katiecoolady]

You bet it's beyond what we know. With JA, the obsession went farther than what you describe here, obviously, but the gist is similar. Your post was not too long.

I think what was so astounding to me was how she acted and seemed so normal to him, me, everyone but i always wondered. I think that FWB thing is a very rare situation where both are on the same page. It seems one is wanting more but just going along with it. It most of the time eventually implodes.

I could see how bamboozled my friend was because he was always open about dating others, often using HER as a confidante about other women as she acted just so cool and "not wanting anything more" consistently. Like this arrangement was her preference. I could see how easily a man could think this was just the perfect situation while sitting on a whole boiling pot of crazy.
She would smile to his face while calling up the women he was pursuing and badmouthing him to them, talking about how he was terrible to date and how she only cared for their well being--sabotaging him at every turn (she admitted all this to me).
I think Travis believed Jodi was totally ok with things as they were--sexually included. And she convinced him she wasn't thinking of him as a long term marriage situation anyway, releasinghim from the "hook". I don't think he ever got how attached she really was and definitely how dangerous. Seriously so sad.

 

[katiecoolady]

Wasn't the general consensus at the time of testimony re the license plate, that she had done it deliberately so as to have "proof" for her alibi that she had been in Utah... nowhere near the friend who wasn't answering her calls/texts in Mesa. :/

I think you're right. Gosh so many details of her diabolicalness (not a word I'm sure) that I've even forgotten. ugh

 

[Nore]

BBM Since I don't know what kind of DNA analysis was used, all I can surmise is that if they had both a confession and a basic match from JA to that bloody hand print on the wall and the hair found in the bathroom, then perhaps deep medical analysis for anything else may not have been necessary? Don't forget, she had tried to clean up which may have compromised some of the samples beyond basic identity.

Anyway, if you want more info on DNA analysis:

http://nij.gov/topics/forensics/evidence/dna/basics/Pages/welcome.aspx

gives some basics, but for more clarity we would need someone who works with the Arizona PT to tell us whether there would be this kind of DNA analysis done or is this something that only someone looking for a medical condition would bother with.

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LaLaw, I think you mean Marfans disease. I only know of this because Pres. Lincoln had this. People having it are unusually tall, well over six feet. Dr. G. had a case on her program a while back. This can be serious..

 

[Harmony 2]

At Websleuths we take pride in being a notch above the rest.

Please get back to discussion about information revealed in the courtroom and in documents, otherwise steer clear of all the sexual speculation and innuendo about anatomy. It is pretty nasty and may keep those who read and lurk away. It is not necessary...

 

[ShadyLady]

The letter described 2 ninjas killing Travis. There would be no way for JM to argue that she was accurately describing the scene. She could also argue that Flores encouraged her to write the letter..a half-truth, but that's 50% more then she usually is good for.

IIRC, the Alexanders believe she described his suffering accurately...what sounds he made, his attempt to get away, his collapse. But all attributed to the ninjas.

Really really sick. She wanted to cause pain to everyone. My mind now goes to her being a sadist. She derives some sort of glee from the suffering of others. Passive aggressive with her little girl voice, too.